Right now things are starting to slow down on my line and im trying to lean more towards a 48hr check, to do this i have to have all kill type sets.
In my province we are not allowed to have anything bigger than a 120 on land unless it is dogproof in or above water or 5' off the ground. I am trying mainly to target bobcats and raccoon. Are there many refusals for coon and cats in these dogproof enclosures, the trigger has to set atleast 7 inches from the opening for baited sets and 10" for unscented.
Or should i stick to keeping tehm 5' off the ground.
I dont think a 120 would be very humane for either of these animals, but its what i have to deal with so people can break the law and let there dogs run around.

to be honest i dont know if there is a truly dog proof coni box.i know people think there is but a baited coni box will take what ever sticks its head in it.what about a lean pole set?that would get your conis up off the ground and allow you to run bigger conis.cats will climb if they want whats up there

this is what I would do - get a pail with a lid cut on side of pail for the springs then cut a opening on top of the lid (small)then put the lid on.

Tyler Irish, I have a similiar problem as I have a section of line as well as my yard that has lynx but there are also dogs and I have been trying to dogproof some sets. I don't see any way to totally dog proofing them unless you elevate and use a lean pole.

Possumkiller, I can't picture this set could you describe that alittle differant. I use have buckets that are cut and hold 330s for wolverine so I understand that but what are you discribing with the lid?

How is that set digproof? my labs would be right in side of that.

If you want to make it dogproof, you need to use a lid with a whole cut in it large enough for a coon to get into. The trap will have to sit farther back in the bucket so it has full range of motion. I don't believe you would be able to target cats with this setup, but you will be able to catch coons and avoid having a dog stick its head in.

i just made one for a 160 and itll hang on a tree.Wish i had pics

I use those square 4 gallon buckets from restaurants or hardware store
Cut a 1/4" slot 2" back from the opening
Then pop rivet a 20" piece of wood on the top so it overhangs the opening 10-12"
Cut a window in the upper 1/2 of the back (bucket bottom) and attach 1/2" rat wire (hardware cloth) also with pop rivets.
This allows your baits scent to flow.
Cats, coon and fox will enter.
Bucket sets was gone into great detail a couple issues ago in T&PC, you get when you belong to your state trapping assn.
You may have to use leaning poles, cats, coon and fox will also climb for a meal!
Hope this helps
John

traprjohn, i asked the DNR about the setup you describe. They say no go, The trap must be set atleast 7-10 inches from the mouth of the opening, an overhang does not give you the required inches between trap and entrance.
MinklessinPA: That setup is now a no go, unless I use a 120, and im not even going to try that.
Possum:I was wondering how many refusals people got with these dog proof boxes on cats and coon.

Most areas im going to go with elevated sets, but some areas they are not practical, So i would have to go with some other type of set either dog-proof boxes, cages or egg traps.

Also i do belong to my provincial ascociation and we dont get T&PC, only way i can get it is when it comes to the bookstore once in awhile.

Tyler, are the cats your refering to bobcats or lynx?

Here ya go Tyler:

http://www.trapperpredatorcaller.com/article/BucketTricks1/

http://www.trapperpredatorcaller.com/article/BucketTricks2/

Not Dog-Proof though.

I think the best way is to make wood boxes with your notches 7"+ deep....to be "dog proof" I mean

Marten: The cats im referring to are bobcats.

Dooger: Excellent articles and alot of usefull info, but they are still going for 160's in the mouth of the bucket. I havent been able to find many articles or posts of people who set them farther back.

martinpine - you put the lid on so a dog cant stick his head into an open pail then cut a small opening for coon you understand now?.

This link might help some people -

http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/45819.html

There is no such thing as a dog proof cubby.

May not be, but theres laws that say there are and thats what im trying to operate within.

Has anybody actually used these "dog-proof" cubbies? If so what was your success rate, GOOD, BAD, NO DIFFERENCE. Or is just better to construct a 5ft platform in areas with no trees.

Tyler I have given up on dog proof cubbies tried for 1 yr but coons passed leaning poles without climbing and refused to enter dog proof cubbies( now this was in early trapping season) some have better luck once they den and come out. I don't bother with coons anymore, people don't want us to 160's then I say let them put up with coon problems!

Did you do your PLQ in Aldershot? Tusket

yeah Tyler just finished PLQ in Aldershot last week

I seen your earlier post Tusket, wish i would have known I was working on your field-ex's.

Coyote snarer: Have you noticed any pros or cons to that setup VS the other dog-proof methods. Any tips or tricks to pass on about your setup.
Also how effective is the upside down box on bobcat.

No real trick to it . I bait the box or bucket and put some good coon lure on a stick and throw it under the set .I also tried the running pole with no luck at all . The 5" of the ground set works fine for me . We have about 18 coons so far in those sets . We didn't get set up until around the middle of Nov. I have never caught a bobcat in one of those sets . I use other sets for cats

How do you run your 5' off the ground sets (incline, bait/lure, etc). How do you go about setting areas with no trees, make a platform, or pass on location. and what type of sets do you run for bobcats, foothold, snare or another type of lethal set.

I set the box or bucket on a level surface . I don't set where there is no trees . I use a lot of beaver meat for bait . Any kind of a good smelling lure seems to work . Snares for cats

Hi Yote Snarer,

I made four of these type of boxes this year and will be trying them out in about a week. In all of the research I have looked at - they say that even a domestic cat has a very difficult time entering on of these vertical boxes set at 5-6 inches off the ground.

If there are no trees around, I imagine you could take a steel fence post, pound it in, and wire the box vertically to it at the proper height.

Mark

Mark , If the ground is soft enough you could even use wooden fence posts . Not much trouble for a coon to get into the box or bucket . The buckets are lighter that the boxes . I use the 160's in the boxes .Made just for the 160's and The 220's fit nicely into a bucket ,

This is a very helpful topic!

Tyler Irish- go to www.novascotinghunting.com

There is a trapping section, look through the 07 and 08 trapping thread theres lots of pictures there.

Just make sure when you make the sets as perscribed for Nova Scotia that you follow the distance required. Foe example if you make a set 5 ft of the ground, and it snows, you either have to make the set higher, or shovel the snow away.

well the dogs should not stick there heads in there. even my husky wont stick his head in a bucket. traveller has had a 110 on her foot when i was trappin them there river rats (not muskrats) she squalled, but when she got cut on a beer bottle she didnt.

so from what most people have said nobody has put alot of faith in the dog proof cubby's, or is there still someone out there who has had some sort of success in the actual cubby.

ttt

The biggest disadvantage with the cubby is that it takes too long to build . We have to have a 7"x 7" opening with the trap set back 7" from the opening . This is for the 160's and an 8"hight and a 10"width for the 220's with the trap set back 10" from the opening . That would be a lot of unnecessary work when you can gear up a bucket in jig time . I build some boxes during the summer as a passtime . Buckets will last a long time as will the boxes if they are taken in after the season and not left out to rot . Save yourself some time and efort and get some buckets . The square buckets will fit the 160's nicely as you have seen in an earlier post " Forget The Cubby "

On average how many ground level dog proof sets do people run or did run. Im just wondering how many refusals people actually got on thees type of sets, run all season or just early season or late season. It would just be easier and a bit more cost effective to get these buckets out than to backpack 6ft pickets and the boxes out to my line.

How did these sets rate on non-target catches; skunks, bobcats, mink.

Also as a side note I have put 12 of these sets out but they are now under about 6ft of water due to the rain and extremelly unusual flooding.

lets try it again, TTT