Re: 5X5 Conibear Catches (Pics)
[Re: trapper4hire]
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05/07/12 03:58 PM
05/07/12 03:58 PM
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IN HOW MANY OF THESE PICTURES, IS THERE ANOTHER HOUSE IN PLAIN VIEW ? ( scroll down ) A HOUSE FULL OF PEOPLE THAT ARE MORTIFIED AT THE SIGHT OF A DEAD ANIMAL HANGING FROM A NEIGHBORS HOUSE .... maybe. maybe not .... It is , IMO never a choice that should be made when there is another, BETTER way...because every animal caught, could have been so in a properly mounted, proper trap !( read above post )
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Re: 5X5 Conibear Catches (Pics)
[Re: trapper4hire]
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05/07/12 05:34 PM
05/07/12 05:34 PM
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For everyone giving me a hard time about these swinging coon. You are making an assumption that you know the type of neighberhood and how many people could see the capture. As far as you can see from those pics the only swinger that is in view, is the one at the appartment complex but you are not aware of is that the entire complex is vacant and being rehabed(look at pallets of shingle in parking lot). All of the others are in isolated wooded lots with no neighbors. Any location where there is possibillity of public view the coon is contained nicely in the box. Anyone who took the time to read the post would know that this is not my first choice for any raccoon job but for certain locations/situation it is a valuable option.
LT, Opinions are like anuses, everyone has one; and sometimes they stink! Gross but true
LT what technique do you use on cage shy coon.
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Re: 5X5 Conibear Catches (Pics)
[Re: trapper4hire]
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05/07/12 07:33 PM
05/07/12 07:33 PM
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I’m not arguing the effectiveness of 5X5 to 220 body grips on raccoons, nor am I disputing the humaneness of body grips vs. cages. Not addressing “what the neighbors think” either. My question is; why would any truly “cage-trap shy” raccoon enter any enclosure that is made of cage wire guarded by a body grip, but won’t enter a cage trap??? Are they really that smart? I don’t think so, at least not here!
Note to self- Engage brain before opening mouth (or hitting the ENTER key/SUBMIT button).
Ron Fry
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Re: 5X5 Conibear Catches (Pics)
[Re: trapper4hire]
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05/08/12 11:51 AM
05/08/12 11:51 AM
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For everyone giving me a hard time about these swinging coon. You are making an assumption that you know the type of neighberhood and how many people could see the capture. As far as you can see from those pics the only swinger that is in view, is the one at the appartment complex but you are not aware of is that the entire complex is vacant and being rehabed(look at pallets of shingle in parking lot). All of the others are in isolated wooded lots with no neighbors. Any location where there is possibillity of public view the coon is contained nicely in the box. Anyone who took the time to read the post would know that this is not my first choice for any raccoon job but for certain locations/situation it is a valuable option.
LT, Opinions are like anuses, everyone has one; and sometimes they stink! Gross but true
LT what technique do you use on cage shy coon. We're...( at least I ) not trying to give you a hard time...you are a brother of sorts and that makes us a family...well, of sorts...
What I am pointing out is to give you an alternative and to educate you of another way...before you use a kill trap method.
If you /we have some animal rights activist see that dead 'coon and create a problem, then see, WE ALL HAVE A PROBLEM !
And eventually, that is going to be a problem if you trap long enough using kill trap in urban areas.
I trap in areas that you do...I know because on occasion our paths cross... I want nuisance trappers revered not looked down upon...
NOW, THE METHOD YOU'RE USING, IS AS HUMANE AS ANY I HAVE SEEN USING A KILL TRAP, AND I WANT TO OPENLY GIVE YOU CREDIT FOR THAT...
But, that wasn't my point. Humane or not...some...and it's many...people tend to "freak out" when they see you kill an animal .
This isn't like you or I, Chris...these are extremist who put animal life up with or above humans.
Do we kill animals ?
Sure we do..all the time !
That again, not my point...that said, I won't kill one in front of a customer...not on purpose.
Jim Cf. told we long ago that to be successful in this business, you have to put your emotions aside...or you can't do the job !!!
My point is, I want YOU successful...just like I want myself...my point is, AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN, to EDUCATE TRAPPERS on better , faster, more humane methods !
Many people think I'm an arrogant SOB who thinks he knows everything....and that simply isn't true !
I do pass on what I know...and in 42 years and 14 states, well..it's is quite extensive.
It's the reason people hire me to train them.
Am I above using a kill trap on a 'coon ?
Absolutely NOT...I hate 'coons !
I do think we are in the PUBLIC EYE far more than fur trappers, (which I 'm one too), so we must be careful with the methods we choose...
We deal every day with the public and what they think we do and what we do, is sometimes two different things...
BUT IMAGE IS EVERYTHING !
And the day you forget that is the day you will start to lose business !
Just as important, are the fact that there are certain villages, corp's, communities and suburbs where you trap that do NOT allow those type traps within their boundaries...REGARDLESS of whether it's legal state wide. That trap may be legal state wide for fur trapping but may not be in every city. It isn't like this information is posted either. It's only when YOU get a complaint, that you realize you're in trouble ! Some villages do not allow traps of any kind, even cage traps.
330 trapper showed what he was taught and the results and that is the method I use and have used for years.
If it does NOT work, would I use a kill trap ?
Yes, but I would be a bit more discreet ...and to be quite honest, I haven't seen it NOT work.
YOU SIMPLY JUST GO TO THE DOUBLE OPEN DOOR WITH THE WIRE SYSTEM, WHERE BOTH DOORS CLOSE AT THE SAME TIME...THIS ALLOWS AN ANIMAL TO SEE A CLEAR OPEN UNOBSTRUCTED VIEW...THE ANIMAL WILL GO RIGHT THROUGH ! HAVE 330 CUSTOM MAKE ONE FOR YOU....I KNOW HE CAN MAKE ANYTHING OUT THERE CUSTOM...I TRAINED HIM TO DO IT...HE HAS THE MINDSET OF A WINNER, DON'T LET HIS MODESTY FOOL YOU ! HE'S ONE OF THE BEST IN THE BUSINESS !!!
I want to give some credit, where credit is due...and that would go to Mr. Bob Jameson of Pa. ,who told me many years ago that he didn't use kill trap on woodchucks because : " I don't have to ! "
What did he mean ?, I asked myself ...he doesn't have to.
Did he know something I didn't ?
He did !
And I wanted to know what he knew....was there a easier way ? A more humane way / At least in the public eye ?
There was !
And since that time I don't have to go around slapping kill traps over holes !
LATrapper made a very good point, which I will re-post.
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Re: 5X5 Conibear Catches (Pics)
[Re: LAtrapper]
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05/08/12 12:10 PM
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I’m not arguing the effectiveness of 5X5 to 220 body grips on raccoons, nor am I disputing the humaneness of body grips vs. cages. Not addressing “what the neighbors think” either. My question is; why would any truly “cage-trap shy” raccoon enter any enclosure that is made of cage wire guarded by a body grip, but won’t enter a cage trap??? Are they really that smart? I don’t think so, at least not here! Agree ! X2
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Re: 5X5 Conibear Catches (Pics)
[Re: LT GREY]
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05/08/12 12:46 PM
05/08/12 12:46 PM
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Lt. I think you said the same thing in your second post as the first but I learned a lot more from the second and agree with your second post on this subject.
Sleep'n with an animal..I can help. Do not use both feet when testing the depth or temperature of the water Your Friend, Paul Brooker
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Re: 5X5 Conibear Catches (Pics)
[Re: trapper4hire]
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05/08/12 06:13 PM
05/08/12 06:13 PM
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Well not weird, just Arabic . I've heard that BOLD type makes people think I'm yelling....I'm not. I wouldn't get my blood pressure up that high. I can't see the screen and the bold print helps me read what I wrote...now if I have my reading glasses, then I'm ok...( such as now) People often say I push the limit...again, not my intention. I do like people to think outside the box and that is difficult for some to do. Few people realize that for years, more than half the post made by "me" were actually dictated over a phone and typed by someone else. Same with answering PM's. But, I digress...Thank you for the referral. I couldn't get to it, due to being swamped... I referred it to a new company but explained if they didn't want it, I would understand... A 10,000 sq. ft, house is NOT one you "cut your teeth on" !
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