Re: Log cabin logs
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03/04/16 02:40 AM
03/04/16 02:40 AM
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Spek Jones
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AK Hunter them will cost you and they are pretty high dollar!! ha ha, just joking. This one was built out of green cottonwood logs. It was built about 100 yards from a river bank, and within three years time the river took her out. We tried a lot of different types of corners over the years, saddle notch, dovetail, mortise and tenon (trapper notch), and what we called "quick corners" like the one on this cabin. Contrary to popular opinion, people were using the quick corners up here a long time before Marty M "invented" it. And frankly they are the worst possible type of corner to use on a cabin in my opinion. Saddle notch, scribed line then chop to fit. Good locking style corner, but slow to make. Dovetail, another good locking style corner, but also slow to make. Another sample of the dovetail corner. I don't have any good pictures of a quick corner, this about the best I could find. We used an upright log on the corner, (it's painted white in the picture). This is the style corner that is used in the ATA log cabin building video, and in my opinion it is the worst style corner you can use. It is quicker to build this way than with the saddle notch or the dovetail corner. It is not that much quicker though than the trapper notch, and is no where near as solid. Once you get your mind around the trapper notch it does not take long to fit a corner up. Here is another variation of the quick corner. Two 2X8's nailed together for the corner rather than a log. My brother and I helped build this cabin for a guy up in Dirt's neck of the woods (Skwentna). A little better view of the design of the 2X8 quick corner. I'll try to put some more up here on the Trapper corners sometime tomorrow or when I can.
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Re: Log cabin logs
[Re: Dale Torma]
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03/04/16 02:57 AM
03/04/16 02:57 AM
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Spek Jones
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Spek, I feel the same way, I'm just building a small cabin sized building for my sauna, and then maybe a couple more small ones for rent or sale as hunting cabins. 20x24 max size, maybe smaller. 24 feet is about as long a wall as I can go here Dale, using round logs, and I have to be very selective on the logs to do that. Our trees taper too much, and if you go too long you cross taper. That is the top is less than half the diameter of the butt of the log. You probably have much better logs there than we do here for building with. When you get done with the sauna you can come build me one, my old bones are starting to ache too much, I think they need a good scalding! ha ha.
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Re: Log cabin logs
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03/04/16 10:27 AM
03/04/16 10:27 AM
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With a small cabin you could use green, or not thoroughly dried logs and be ok. If you're building something bigger that you expect to maintain and live in you'll want to let them dry down to about 8-9% moisture before you build, use a moisture meter to monitor the curing. This will prevent excessive shrinking and settling that usually causes problems with your roof, stairs, windows and doors, most shrinkage and settling issues occur up high in your building. A small cabin will not have as many of this type of problem. I'm pretty impressed with how well built some of the small cabins on this thread are!
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Re: Log cabin logs
[Re: Spek Jones]
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03/04/16 10:28 AM
03/04/16 10:28 AM
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Great pictures, keep them coming. Anyone have close ups of the trapper's notch before assembly?
The day that you tarry, is the day that you lose......
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Re: Log cabin logs
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03/04/16 12:31 PM
03/04/16 12:31 PM
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Dale, I'm in the lowlands of Aitkin County, our Spruce and Tamarack are about 150 yrs. old and about 4" in diameter. What do you think about Ash and or popple?
The day that you tarry, is the day that you lose......
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Re: Log cabin logs
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03/04/16 02:49 PM
03/04/16 02:49 PM
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Spek Jones
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Great pictures, keep them coming. Anyone have close ups of the trapper's notch before assembly? I don't have a picture of what you're talking about, but I made a (pretty poor) sketch of the corner Scanner, but maybe it'll help. The 45 degree cut in the corner is on the inside of the cabin, and it allows the next log to butt in tight against the notch. Lay the log up on the wall and make your notch on both ends to match the logs below them. Then roll the log in place, hold it there with a log dog, and run your saw bar between the logs a few passes until the logs fit well from end to end. It may be necessary at times to cut your notch deeper in order to get the log to set down tight. When you're happy with it, put a spike or a log screw in each end. I like to counter sink the heads about 3/4 of an inch so you can run a saw through there on the next round if you need to.
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Re: Log cabin logs
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03/04/16 02:58 PM
03/04/16 02:58 PM
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Spek Jones
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Dale, I'm in the lowlands of Aitkin County, our Spruce and Tamarack are about 150 yrs. old and about 4" in diameter. What do you think about Ash and or popple? Poplar is a lot like cottonwood, they are real high moister wood when green. I'd build a cabin out of it, but I would not put any sealer on the logs until they dried out. Then sand them down and put a good coat of wood sealer on them. Helps a lot when you build with green logs if you can keep a wood stove going in the cabin as much as you can until the logs dry. Green spruce will mold too if you don't get some heat going in the cabin right away. That moister needs to be allowed to escape before you put sealer on.
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