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Eggs are going top increase in Price. #1344608
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CA bill would require imported eggs to meet "Prop. 2" standards (Riverside PE)‏

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Riverside Press Enterprise (CA)
Bill would apply caged hen rules to out-of-state eggs
By JIM MILLER
Sacramento Bureau
May 11, 2009
http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stories/PE_News_Local_S_eggs11.4644e80.html

SACRAMENTO - California's upcoming ban on small cages for egg-laying
hens would be extended to out-of-state egg producers if a bill moving
through the Legislature becomes law.

The state's $648 million egg industry so far is neutral on the
legislation, which is championed by the same groups that backed Prop.
2, the successful November ballot initiative that requires more room
for chickens and other farm animals.

The bill, though, already has received support from legislators who
opposed Prop. 2. They say it will help California's egg industry
compete with out-of-state egg producers who, under current law, will
not need to comply with Prop. 2 when its rules take effect in 2015.

"I think there's a general consensus out there that if our industries
have to do certain things for the housing of poultry, then we don't
think it's too much to ask the rest of the country to adhere to the
same rules that we do, just to keep our folks competitive," said
Assemblyman Tom Berryhill, R-Modesto, a co-author of AB 1437. He
opposed Prop. 2.

Prop. 2 mandates that pigs, calves raised for veal and egg-laying hens
have enough space to lie down, stand up, turn around and fully extend
their limbs. Violators can face criminal penalties.

Its main impact is on the egg industry, which led last year's
opposition to the initiative.

An Assembly committee analysis of the bill raised concerns that
expanding Prop. 2's rules to out-of-state egg producers could violate
the interstate commerce clause of the U.S. Constitution meant to
prevent states from restricting imports from other states.

In addition, the new legislation has failed to placate California egg
producers' frustration with Prop. 2. The industry is forming a new
group, the Association of California Egg Farmers, mainly to deal with
Prop. 2's implementation.

Gary Foster, general manager of Riverside County's Norco Ranch, a
major egg producer, said his company recently canceled a $35 million
expansion because of questions about complying with Prop. 2.

Among other things, he said, the 540-word law leaves unclear what sort
of building would meet the initiative's requirement that chickens need
to be able to extend their wings without touching another bird. Would
a producer get in trouble if birds touched while extending their wings
at the same time, for example, Foster asked.

"It incorporates Prop. 2 but doesn't explain what it is," Foster said
of this year's bill. "We would like very much to comply with what the
voters wanted. But we don't know what that is."

The Humane Society of the United States, which largely bankrolled the
Yes-on-2 campaign, is pushing the new bill.

Jennifer Fearing, the Humane Society's chief economist and its
Sacramento lobbyist, said the bill would further the goal of getting
more chickens out of what animal-rights groups contend are inhumane
cages.

She also said the Humane Society is working with California producers
to address questions about complying with Prop. 2.

"The overwhelming support that Californians had for Prop. 2 sent a
signal about what they think about the tradeoffs and risks associated
with this kind of food production," Fearing said.

prop. 2 fight

The battle over Prop. 2 drew attention and money from around the country.

Donors in Riverside and San Bernardino counties contributed more than
$1 million of the nearly $9 million opponents raised.

Supporters, led by the Humane Society, raised more than $10.3 million
and filled the airwaves with graphic images of chickens in small cages
and other animals purportedly being mistreated.

Opponents said the footage was "dubious and cynical."

Critics said Prop. 2 would significantly raise the price of eggs,
something proponents disputed.

The election was a rout.

Prop. 2. passed everywhere except in several Central Valley counties.
Afterward, some critics started calling for splitting the state
because "uneducated city dwellers" were dictating agricultural rules.

There also were less strident conversations. Assemblyman Jared
Huffman, D-San Rafael, was among those who participated.

Huffman authored AB 1437 and said his bill closes a "gaping hole" that
would let out-of-state producers sell eggs to California consumers.

"I'm sure the industry would love to wake up tomorrow and not have
Prop. 2 be the law of the land, but the voters spoke pretty loudly and
clearly that they want these minimum anti-cruelty standards," Huffman
said. "This levels the playing field and gives effect to what the
voters thought they were doing when they passed Prop. 2."

The Assembly Agriculture Committee unanimously approved the bill last
week. Besides Berryhill, a yes vote came from the panel's chairwoman,
Assemblywoman Cathleen Galgiani, D-Merced, who last year rallied her
colleagues to oppose Prop. 2 because she said it would eliminate
hundreds of jobs.

For California's egg industry, the new legislation offers potential
pitfalls and rewards.

The bill could emerge as a vehicle for the industry to get clear
guidance on what Prop. 2 requires. Or it could solidify the
initiative's legal position against any potential industry lawsuit.

The bill could lend momentum to congressional efforts to craft
national animal-confinement standards. But any support by California
producers' for the legislation would put them sharply at odds with the
national egg industry.

United Egg Producers, an Atlanta-based national industry group, did
not respond to a request for comment on the California bill.


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Wait......what if a roosting chicken opens his wings and cast a shadow on a chicken on the ground will I have to pay a fine for that? shocked


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Tell California to eat their own eggs.


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If this crap passes I hope they dont have nothing but a vulture egg to eat out their for the next 3 yrs or more if that, now dont get me wrong now their is a line between cruelty and farming, now with that being said im sure some houses probably need a fixin, but an animal or fowl is just what it is,an animal or fowl. Also this is what you get when people that live in the city vote on things that are in the rural country area, that shouldnt have a say so no matter what because they have no clue. ( THE IDIOTS)


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Re: Eggs are going top increase in Price. [Re: leo23] #1344643
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it would be great if the egg industry said pizz off....
and they got no eggs..

that is all it will take, someone to stand up to these morons.

what would the backlash be if you coulnd't get an egg in California???
that would be awesome, no bakeries, all the manufacturing food plants that need them,
Mc'd's and such ah hah ah..

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Typical Californistan politics. Trying to impose their idiocy upon the entire country.


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Everyone will have a couple hens in their back yard. Free range chickens.

Re: Eggs are going top increase in Price. [Re: Bruce T] #1344680
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Originally Posted By: brucet
Tell California to eat their own eggs.




Trouble is that now that they have gained the upper hand in California they are trying to push their nonsense upon all agriculture throughout all of the pork,veal & chicken markets. Also must note that Florida also bent to the pressure with hen cages and farrowing crate issues. California was just an easier target to begin with.


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the egg producers should stop exporting any eggs to california when eggs are a dollar each there maybe ppl will wake up



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The portion of the Ca law putting limits on import eggs from other states will quickly be struck down as an illegal restraint on interstate commerce....

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pass-thru, not if the 9th Circus Court of Appeals hears the case first, and they will. Might be years before it makes it to the Supreme Court.

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How many of the people that voted for such restrictive laws or that wrote up the new animal rights proposals do you think to have ever been involved in the egg industry?? Easy to make La La land type legalize if you have never faced the consequences of those laws yourself. Since Pacelle and his cohorts are Vegans they could care less that they lied & duped the public into being foolish enough to support the initiative which never should have been offered to the general public anyway. The folks that should have been listened to are the vets & farmers who had already established the best chicken farming methods for food production .


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Mira, I have no sympathy whatsoever for the people of California who voted for this bill. I hope their eggs cost them $20 per dozen. Its about time the stupid are allowed to face the consequences of their actions.

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you mean there is a reason to smuggle cheap eggs into cali ?? smile wow man let the black market begin smile smile smile


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Glad we have a dozen laying hens!

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Originally Posted By: BANDIT BUSTER
Glad we have a dozen laying hens!


makes me want to put a couple of free range ones out there in the garden smile


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Originally Posted By: BuckNE
Mira, I have no sympathy whatsoever for the people of California who voted for this bill. I hope their eggs cost them $20 per dozen. Its about time the stupid are allowed to face the consequences of their actions.
Couldn't have said it better myself. They made the bed, let them sleep in it!


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So when is California going to require the same enviromental standards,labor laws etc. for goods coming from Mexico?


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Originally Posted By: trapperkeck
Originally Posted By: BuckNE
Mira, I have no sympathy whatsoever for the people of California who voted for this bill. I hope their eggs cost them $20 per dozen. Its about time the stupid are allowed to face the consequences of their actions.
Couldn't have said it better myself. They made the bed, let them sleep in it!



You folks seem to be missing my point. It is the farmers of California that are going to loose their livelihood because of such nonsense. The folks that actually raise hens ,veal & pork are being over-ruled by self righteous idiots and now those same idiots are trying to get the same legislation supplied across North America.


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I would have to agree with the above, Via a couple of phone calls to the industry powerhouses, I'd see to it that California didn't get another egg anywhere. All eggs produced in cali, sold else where, no eggs come into cali.

In less than a week "Talks" would take place, and in a month the would fold. Too large a portion of the industries depend on eggs to not fold.


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