I saw this on a post and didnt wanna blow it...
BUT i think someones smokin to much dope....

What makes the east so much harder than west?


Colton

I guess people in ID don't grow up.

Dude, do you have a temper meter? No one said anything about "infinitely superior". LOL I had asked a question about the logic and opinion behind the guy i quoted.

Whats the purpose of your first paragraph?

Your second ones your opinion of the quote( which was good, and the point of this post).




Now on to the post....whats everone think? Whats hard to trap about the east in your areas?

We have everything u mentioned except the gators BUT were closer to California( Bunny huggers, and freaks) Lol

The thing over here is that you could set 1,000 traps and never catch a thing becuase you wouldnt know where you were going and not every bush or rock has an animal behind it....

Good trappers never have to worry as trapping in the east or west is not hard as long as you can adapt to the conditions.

I think both would be hard for either guy. Both have different weather, habitat, terrain etc. I just think location on the gross scale would easier out west.

YICM, your reputation earned you the first paragraph. I'm bored too.

Well, in the West, talk to a couple ranches and you have well over 100,000 acres to trap. Not to mention the Tens of thousands of acres of public ground to trap.

Come to the Midwest and talk to a couple farmers and you might have a few thousand acres to trap. Public ground is few and far between and often so over hunted and crowded it's hardly worth your time, with all the hassles that Buzzard mentioned.

Thats one the biggest things I can think of.


BTW, I don't agree with the statement quoted above, but there is a few things in the West that are for advantageous to a trapper.

Did I forget to mention arid and dry in the West compared to the humid and rainy East?

the vastness and the weather would be the biggest overcoming factor out west, assuming you have your land planned out for you.

in the east (for the western), would be the ground type, rainy muddy conditions. also the amount of people to deal with.

now both could go back and forth if they do the homework before hand and go prepared for whatever comes.

You owe me a rag, my brother just spit up his drink on the monitor while reading that!!! He says "he'll show you what western whackin and stackin cats is in a couple weeks, and he caught more cats sitting at home watching Football than you did in the past year, and his buddy says to "blow out the lantern, brush your tooth, cuddle your hound and get some zzzz's!" YEHAWWWWWWWW!!!!!



John? : I didnt know trapperman had reputations....This isnt high school in any way, shape, or form...You wouldnt win there either..... Maybe if you, were you...then you wouldnt care what people thought...everyone knows where they stand.

Slim came from the WEST and after a few years training I hear he is now a pretty good eastern trapper

Key word: COYOTES

Come to the east and get a few permissions you MAY get a hundred acres to trap IF your lucky ,plus rain sleet ,freeze ,thaw ,ect ,ect

lol..... This topic should go in the archives

This is getting quite interesting. Trapping coyotes no matter where your at is very easy, now cats the eastern trapper has an advantage is they can drive right too the cats unlike the west.

I dont think it would be that hard to learn west or east, just take practice.

hey nick, im sure that the east has a ton of private ground, but i dont know a place around here that ive been around that has 100,000 acres of private land to be trapped. The thing that gets most us in the west ( at least in idaho ) is that they have private ground for just a mile and no chance of getting around it!

Completely agreed! 1,000,001 coyotes roam the west. Half the traps out here you have to walk a mile to get to(in and out of canyons/steep hills/cliffs/rocks), in the east its all flat and roads run every fenceline right to your set!

i dont really think it matters with east and west but perhaps north and south. take a person trapping in the south up north under ice beaver or 4 feet of snow for fox or fisher, martin, frost level 4 feet, he's probably not going to get a thing besides frostbite. I think a northern trapper could adapt better in the south. Not saying anyones better. But take a guy from Taxas and a guy from alaska have them switch states and i think my point would be proven. not sure but i think I remember asa talking about his dad wearing gloves for canines in the east and wackin em and his friend not and not getting anything, when he moved west he nailed them. bet i get some comments on this post, dont take it bad please.

I believe it! Snow will put a stop to anyones line! Had about 3 feet of snow here last year, shut everyone down!!

have you ever been to oregon? most natives here have webbed feet!

I hate to get involved with such a childish topic but this one got me:



I've worked in quite a few states (east and west) but have worked with some guys who have just about covered the entire lower 48 doing forestry work. The one told me that there was no place as consistently steep as West Virginia. I'd recommend you check it out before putting the quill to paper again.

Clark

I love this [Please excuse my language... I'm an idiot]

If you hate being in a topic why do you add you two cents?
Haha you are telling me to check it out but you heard from someone and not "checked it out"....you got me laughing. Eat your own words and then see if you can still talk.

Isn't it nice how we can each make generalizations about places we probably have never seen or just visited briefly. Take for example Colorado, there are many different habitat types. We have habitats ranging from timberline glaciers, grasslands, deserts, and forests just to name a few.

Questions like the one that started this post are almost impossible to answer because of the wide range of variables that are present.

I think I'll stay right where I'm at ...right here in the midwest. That east and west trapping sounds too tough!

Urbanites are a real problem in the east. They drive domn the roads and gawk at trappers. Then they stop and ask if you need any help or ask if you have permission to be on the property your on.
The east has a bunch of nosy people and if it is not the urbanites it is the sheriff asking if your running a meth lab.

My God guys....we have enough problems with anti-trappers and hunters!! Why in the world would any of us start arguing about this nonsense?? Lets stick together and spend are time fighting the battles that need to be faught! If you want to put your "two cents" in about this than be my guest....but lets not get personal and down grade fellow trappers here!

my biggest problem here is gettin land. i've done trapped out all the property i have permision for and it just makes me sick to think about goin out and tryin to get more. everything that buzzard, nyfox and don wolf said all right here in my area

It must be snowing in Ideho.... (Shuts everybody down)...lol

like don said they gawk at you! i hate that. they'll drive down the road and stop in the middle of the road and watch and watch and watch

Picking locations would be the single most difficult aspect to pick up for either trapper IMO.

i don't know about out west, never been there but around here we have coyotes EVERYWHERE.

Man I am sure glad I said such a stupid thing to get such a uproar out of everyone. Thanks alot COLTON D for pointing it out. Heck Ive never trapped out west helll don't even know where to start, just heard that comment on a trapping DVD.

You should quit leaving the door open and close it.

You're right in that I'm wrong in posting here because I do really hate these topics.

Actually I've seen West Virginia, simply haven't worked there and had to experience the steepness. I was simply trying to point out your obvious mistake. To anyone who lives in the eastern states you sounded very inexperienced.

Your reputation precedes you and you hold it up. I really do wonder why you make these posts in an attempt to get everyone in an uproar and bring out the worst in everyone? The whole "my penis is bigger than yours" argument is getting old around here.

Clark

My Dad can beat your Dad up.

I bet the Alaskan guys could kick all our butts in snow conditions except for Colton of course.

One thing is for sure, I would love to go back east and trap with some of these beaver, racoon and fox trappers. I would take that opportunity anyday.

IMO the whole East vs. West thing is a load of CRAP! Its much more complex than that. I'm guessing from a lot of peoples comments that they haven't done much traveling outside of their homestate? I've personally driven from western oregon to eastern tennessee twice (as well as numerous other trips around the midwest... 21 states total) and believe me it's more of a state by state thing that it is a east and west deal. By west a lot of people think of "the ol west" portrayed in John Wayne movies... oregon, idaho, and washington aint much like that! Take a guy from anywhere and drop him in 2 or 3 different states and it aint gunna make a difference whether its east, west, north, or south... he isn't very likely to do as good as he does in his home territory. I laughed at the comment about getting permission from a couple ranchers and having 100,000s of acres! I got permission from a landowner here and i have 2 fields equally probably less than 50 acres! We have so many tree huggers here that you can spot at least one from any street corner AND they have an annual "fair" that draws people literally on an international level! Am I saying poor me? Absolutely not, I love this area. Would I love to opportunity to trap some different states? You betcha! Would I have any luck? It all depends on when, where, what for, weather, etc, etc... east or west is not a factor (IMO)

Most can adapt......Others should not be allowed to Breed...

Here we go again! Grrrr I have trapped in every corner of the USA as well as the central states in both the north and south---that is from Maine to California and From Idaho to Georgia.

Every area has problems, every area has easy things. However the grass is always greener on other side of fence.

The truth is there is no Shangrila and there is no place that has it worse than any other place.

The animals have adapted in order to live in the locations that they are in, and a trapper must adapt to the locations. That simple, that tough.

Where is the best???-----Get out your door, take a deep breathe, enjoy, then go face the challenges, because you are a trapper and you have it made. Those that are stuck inside or know nothing about the joys of nature are the ones that have it the worst!

As an Eastern ?trapper? I'd have to say I'd be lost out west. I need trees and houses to determine where I'm setting.

Im glad Im right here in the middle.As a water trapper the only thing I dont like about MN. Is when we get a early freeze up.A good trapper will adapt to what ever he's/she's given. It doesnt mater were your from.

It seems the one thing people haven't mentioned is one of the biggest factors in some areas,thats trapping pressure.Many states don't have the numbers to put any pressure on animals..and I'm sure some would argue that there isin't such a thing.I can only speak for PA and NY but the pressure put on animals has a definite effect.This can vary from county to county depending on the population of trappers in a given county and a host of other factors.

it would seem to me that any selfrespecting person calling themselves a trapper, hunter, or what ever kind of an outdoor enthusiast he or she is could or should have the ability to do fairly well trapping whether it be east or the far west such as the oregon coastal forests.
if we trappers are so knowledgable and observant about game but are yet so willing to undermine in a sense other trappers skills because they are from a different geographic regions then we are really not united but trapped in our own legholds of stupidity, arrogance, and lack thereof.

there are many on this forum that are outstanding trappers and would be no matter where they came from. they might not put up the big numbers they do at home but it probably wouldn't take em long to figure it out.IMO the idea of being a good trapper is not just a matter of being good right at home but knowing animal behavior, being observant, patient, and opened minded enough to trap anywhere.

boy aren't we a grumpy bunch.

with the lax check laws out west, any body can have "4 coyote days", or 5 cat days" when you can go 3 days or more without checking.

in the east, pretty much have ti check traps everyday. 24 hour check law here in kansas, and about every state east of kansas.

i have no doubt i could go west, or east, and cacth animals. would take some adjusting, but wouldnt be hard.

that statement is not entirely true, there are only a few animals that can go 72 hrs between checks and cats isn't one of them neither is coon or fox and it will vary from state to state

is that just for oregon?

yes that is correct. any furbearer in oregon, beaver,cat,coon,fox, bla!!!! bla!!!! bla!!!

yotes, skunks, opossum can go 72 hrs as well as some game birds.

also if you have dominion, an agent for a landowner (takes power of attorney) predator controller under a section of oregon statutes or the landowner you can let them go for as long as 30 days, this is usually for ranchers controlling predators.

i don't know about the other states but in oregon if it is a furbearer is no longer than 48hrs. just didn't want you to get wrong info.

I wonder how many have ever tried tidewater....lol.

trap runner- what about a cat caught in a coyote set? thered have to be some kind of leiniancy if your running for coyotes on a 3 day check and snag a cat....weired law.

Wyomimg is 3 day for any foot hold traps set for any animal, connibears is 7 days for any animal and snares is no limit for any animal.

if caugth by the man,it would probably be a matter of convincing the game warden that the set was only intended for yote and i highly doubt you would be able to keep the cat, or he would say let it go. if it happened a second time i wouldn't see them being to leaniant
it is a goofy law, not the only one they have that is weird.

Cat and yote sets out here are pretty much the same thing...at least the exposed set...AND 5 cat days arent just a jiff out here!

can't run exposed sets here as far as exposed traps. no regs on snares as for deer stops, kill locks etc but a quick kill trap with an opening larger that 9" is not legal for land trapping. i haven't figured that one out yet, peoples pets don't do so well in kill locked snares.

Better check your regs on the snare thing. Don't want to get a fine or end up in jail do ya.

There is no check limit on snares. Here is what it states in the regulations. THERE IS NO TIME REQUIREMENT TO CHECK SNARES.

My mistake. Good luck to ya.

In the East...I'd probably actually have a chance at catching a beaver! No nutria to run into my beaver sets!

This is such a drunk-man's topic I swear.

Think about the climate...That DVD "Rain Dogs" was filmed in the East. Oregon. Rain Dogs. Oregon. Get my drift?

Western Oregon trappers would do pretty well in the east I think.

Just talked to the wyoming game and fish and there is no time limit to check snares.

I would admit that most pictures i see of eastern trapping confuse me,Some make sense but more so than not it is way different to me
But who ever said that from the pictures they see from the west they could pick location easy is just ..well.. i won`t use that word
there is a million miles of Good looking Location out here but that don`t make it so..still gotta do your homework,and be able to understand the homework you have done

and to whoever made the statement that started this whole thread is pretty uninformed..lol.(that sounds a lot better than that word i wanted to use again)

i could tell you of some eastern trappers that have come west and found out it wern`t that easy at all..lol..but i won`t

adaptability will make a good trapper able to trap well in any terrain or condition. a guy that can't or won't adapt to the needs of a new environment will not do so hot. so it might be true if the trapper in question is stuck in his/her ways and refuses to rethink some things and mingle some old and new tricks together,but it works both ways.

I personally don't think it's an East-West thing I think it's an individual trapper thing. If you are an open-minded trapper, you would be sucessful. Closed minded and set in your ways, not gonna do so well. No bean fields here, gonna have to sub something in. Water trappers would have a much easier time than land trappers IMO.

I learned how to trap in WA and ID but I now live in Eastern Nebraska and I would consider it more Eastern than Western here. I have had just as much sucess here as out west just different species. No fox where I used to live but had plenty of coyotes I just used the same technique and I have done pretty good here. the biggest differences I see are people here seem to be more understanding about hunting and trapping. Out west I would never tell anybody I trapped. I just got the feeling that most people were against it. I guess the trap ban that got voted in proved that. I do miss the large tracts of land open to trapping and hunting. However, I do see an advantage to smaller acres and more pinpoint trapping. Bottom line to me is if you know how to trap and know the habits of animals you will do well anywhere.

Colton Just finished reading all your post and my ? to you is
why do you have to be such a ______ hole to everone?
Don't be a hater be a congratulater.You claim to have all this
experience catching cats here(ID),but like me you never done it.
I know you check your bro line but that paper you carry lets you
ck and remove animals not reset traps.So if your a law abiding citizen like I know you are you left the traps that held animals
sprung.So you can't claim to have cought cats in Idaho.
One more thing how do you intend to trap in Id when you lived in
Nevada this past 8mo,you have to live here 6mo.So if you have a
Id license then you falsaifed documents(jail time)but you wouldn't do that.So i say good luck to your bro but you just hang
out on the puter so you don't get in trouble.OUT

well.

"like sands through the hour glass, so are the days of our lives"

Ive trapped back east in NH and SC and out west in Central OR and here in MT. The biggest difference I see is in the desities of animals. The east just supports more critters per square mile than most areas out west. In the east you have to deal with lots of people, way more than anything most of us out here. Distance is a big factor also. Back east I was long lineing if I had a line over 70 miles round trip. Here in MT thats not even one way. Here I usually expect action at a set within a week or I pull it. Back east a day or so. Human odor seems to be a much bigger issue east, due to the humidity and moisture in the soil. Out here its so dry I think it dissapates very fast. Anyway, I seemed to handle to change pretty easy. I dont care who you are it will take a little bit to adapt to the local conditions. if your an experianced trapper you figure it out pretty quick wether its a cornfield in NH or a sage flat in MT.

sounds like BS to me,,or should I say SB ,, east or west you know what I mean

Idahootterman, He is still mad cause in high school he couldn't stuff anybody in a school locker like he always dreamed of doing!

Wow, for acting like a mother...your not a very good one. Shows how much you know! Ive resided in Idaho and attended high school here since 2005. You dont have the slightest clue about what your talking about, or trapping!!! Hope to run into ya!!!

What he said

and what he said!!!

East vs West is a bunch of crap.

NORTH vs south is a whole different ball game!

idahootterman has it right! colton d is one big bag of wind!!!!

Now you are talking.

Colton, you start a lot of garbage on this website for someone who has only caught a cold.

Colton, I more about you then you know about you.And yes,you have lived in Reno for the past 8 months.You see, a good friend of yours is a better friend of ours.You can run into me anytime you want.By the way them roids will shrink your boys,just use the bar bells to get big.Out

well said Slim

Iv hunted and trapped in the east all my life and i would love to see these flat land fence rows with these fine roads leading me right to my traps that this Idaho high schooler is talking about. They dont exist here where I am. As for the east being harder than the west I dont know. But I do know what its like in the east and here we set and run our OWN traps in the mud and snow,WALK up hill and down hill, fight and argue with the "hound hunters" over why they think your trap belongs to them since THEY pulled it from the ground while trespassing.

I have to much trouble trying to trap here in West Virginia to be worried about how I would fare anywhere else

I sent some Washington weather for For jLord and Any S to Try..........

haha thanks vinke, we appreciate it. do you get the floods out that way too?? man it was rough, i ain't tried to land trap in two feet of water before, prolly could have caught otter in that field, lol.

Low lands usually Dry out just before they flood again...Lol.... The lay of the land and our medium/light soil allows you to keep sets working pretty good.... Plus... western coyotes are Dumber

You guys did Good! Way to work it Hard!!

Don't give up Western guys. We will keep showing you what we catch here in the East. LOL just joking.

Now come on guys there nothing to trapping weather it's in the east or west.

This is such a crock of s@#t. Im almost ashamed to dignify it with a response,Almost, I have never trapped anywhere but Mississippi and a small part of Ala. Do I consider myself a good trapper,Hel no,Beenworkin at it over 50 yrs and aint mastered it yet. I still miss critters,make hind foot catches,snare beaver by the tail and catch stuff in the middle of the body somtimes in bobgrip traps, I never made a video or been to a National Convention, I finally got a digital camera but aint learned to post pictures yet. I dont even own a belisle or mb trap, Got a bunch of dukes and bridgers though. I trap because I love it and have loved ie since i was a little boy. Im sure each reigon has its challenges and benefits. I do beleive a trapper that is physically able and willing to adapt can given time trap anywhere and catch fur. Some of you talk about the vast stretches of land out west,well I know of lakes and reservoirs that are vast too,but ya cant just catch a fish anywhere you throw your hook,same principle I imagine. I enjoy seein the catch pictures and hearin the stories from other parts of the country,but I wouldnt give 2 cents to trap there, Im satisfied trappin my homeland.Who cares who is the best? Truth be known if there is a best trapper,its probably someone ya never heard of. The best guitar picker in Nashville is probably flippin hamburgers or drivin a Taxi. I almost feel sorry for you super competitive types, You are out of youre element,You should inhabit the coporate world or go play dungeons and dragons or somthin.

And you survived that kiotee????

Wow Don! That is the truth! I flipped my canoe last season and did what I could to stay alive. I triple bagged my matches and so had a warm fire to dry out and warm all my parts I couldn't feel.
So I walk out and leave my canoe to come back and get it later, cause I cant get a truck to it, and I wasn't about to jump back in the canoe and finish as nightfall was upon me now.
So when I come back to retrieve my canoe, its gone. I report it to the CO and he says he finds it in a barn in the adjacent property to my spill. He does NOTHING about their telling bold faced lies about not finding my canoe (all the while its in their barn). And when I finally get my canoe, the CO reprimands me for trespassing due to my flipping my canoe in winter! Hello?! Its deadly! But he doesn't seem to care. These are his buddies and he covers for their theft and tells me to go to Hades, and to never flip my canoe on their section of river again.

That is trapping in the east!

LMFAORRH

This is a very "wise" post!

trapping in the east you can drive right to them.lmao.you ever traped in the east?

i will tell ya, given the tools i have been able to use, the foot trap, cage trap, conibear trap, snare, and Cable Restraint (even though i think the last 2 are the same only different on paper). With these tools i can catch fur in any part of the country. I agree 100 percent with slim pedersen. I have trapped in NW Heaven uhhh i mean Iowa in the corn/bean fields and rolling hills and flat country with not many trees except where water exists. I grew up trapping there, then moved to central iowa where i had more timbers to work with but still much the same, but i did have to adjust a little. Then i moved to Southern Iowa and had lots of ridges and big timbers mixed with pasture land and some crop fields scattered around. I had to adjust again and learn how the animals move. Like slim said, animals adapt, they all have the same habits, but their situation they are faced with is different. Raccoons will use trails in new york as much as they will in Iowa. true i can catch more coon in some parts of iowa than new york, but in iowa the coon are more centered as far as population goes, new york in some parts, like near the adirondacks i was in a few weeks ago, they are more spread out.

I have had people tell me i couldn't catch coyotes in places like new york or other eastern places like i do here, i say, give me 2 or 3 years to live in those places and learn the lay of the land, and i would be. have to learn the places the animals like and dislike. I like cold rolling into new places, I trapped for 2 weeks close to the Big Black River in Mississippi near Jackson. that was a big adjustment, but i caught coon in trails they were using, caught otters in same kind of places in missouri and iowa, beaver, coyote, the same. even bobcats.

this east vs west stuff is stupid, i don't believe it for one minute. Bob Wendt said something a few years ago i believe, there isn't a coyote alive east to west, pinched before, caught before and escaped, etc. that cannot be caught with a foot trap. alot of factors involved in each place, competition, sets used, etc. animals that are alive now have learned everything they know even their habits. they all can be caught by trappers whether they live in idaho or new york or somewhere in between.

ive seen pics of the west i dont think i could do any good there not enuff trees..

Well said,funny,but well said.I'm a perfectionist and exacting but competitive I ain't.