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Re: Set construction difference for reds and greys [Re: Paul Dobbins] #1136376
01/19/09 06:27 PM
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East Branch, NY
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Buzz- LOL!! Just curious is all. Have a heck of a time catching coyotes in sets like that up here. Will catch fox, but coyotes around here like to be caught in the woods. Nice pics.

Denny- nice pics.

Re: Set construction difference for reds and greys [Re: Paul Dobbins] #1136383
01/19/09 06:29 PM
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Buzz do you ever blend the trap pattern or leave it bare most times?

Re: Set construction difference for reds and greys [Re: ] #1136432
01/19/09 06:42 PM
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Missing a grey fox by a fraction of an inch is their trade mark in the world. Luckiest animal there is in my opinion. Very light pan tension is the main trick to them though.


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Re: Set construction difference for reds and greys [Re: ] #1136447
01/19/09 06:49 PM
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Back during the fur boom lots of coon trappers who built cubbies caught a load of Greys here, most used 220's.

I,ve done good with this very method it seems they have no fear of conis first time it happened I thought it was a fluke but then another and another ... changed my mind



Slim mentioned something that I've seen over and over. Those little greys will climb over the backing and work the set from the back side unless you make it darn near impossible for them to do it.

that may explain the success I have had on my dirt holes. They are usually built into a creek bank more like a pocket/dirt hole. Where I am at they kina look like a muskrat den/hole that and for a dirt hole they are made kina deep. I use more pine needles/leaf mold/peat moss then dirt to bed my traps with then the marsh mud I trap in. HTH


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Re: Set construction difference for reds and greys [Re: aprophet] #1136535
01/19/09 07:19 PM
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Trapping in a light snow can be a very humbling experience and open your eyes to how K-9 re-act or do not re-act. Grey, vs Red, etc. You could have set's out for days thinking nothing is around, with alittle snow you find out the truth.


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Re: Set construction difference for reds and greys [Re: ] #1136582
01/19/09 07:32 PM
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Okie, give the greys something they like to eat and they won't leave the set till they get the last tidbit of it. Lure will get them to the set, bait will keep them coming back over and over till you connect on them if you miss them the first time through.


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Re: Set construction difference for reds and greys [Re: aprophet] #1136606
01/19/09 07:40 PM
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I set tight to the hole for both.I'll often offset a touch more for greys but I only back the trap up for yotes.I like to use a larger backing for greys but I'll try to make it something they're not inclined to climb on such as a jumble of smaller sticks.

I'll often use the greys habit of running downed logs against him.If you've got a brushy area or swamp with downed trees its a good idea to visit it and set the logs they tend to run.I'm not talking about crossing logs here,just any old log,they'll often run them like squirrels.

Re: Set construction difference for reds and greys [Re: cndgmn] #1136620
01/19/09 07:45 PM
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Great info guys.

Ain't got enough of either one to trap here but from what I have always understood, treat grays like bobcats (flashy, heavy guiding), and reds like coyotes (generic, basic).

Re: Set construction difference for reds and greys [Re: ] #1136921
01/19/09 09:20 PM
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Does anyone make doubles that have one trap with heavy backing and guiding, and the other with a small backing.

Re: Set construction difference for reds and greys [Re: ] #1136931
01/19/09 09:22 PM
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The only real differnce that I make between REd and Grey specific sets is that I "crowd" a Grey a LOT more. AS with Buzz's Pics, I try to Force them into where I want them. And as for how I set for Both with one set, it is simply a set made for reds. A little More in the open,But I do tend to make more double dirholes in areas that there are a lot of Greys and Reds. That way I can maybe keep the Grey stomping on the set a little Longer. LOL.


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Re: Set construction difference for reds and greys [Re: NYNovice] #1137192
01/19/09 10:40 PM
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Pretty good mix of reds and greys here in Mi. Sometimes it can be a toss-up one what your going to catch from day to the other. A couple sets this year, I caught a grey, red, and yote in three trap checks,out of the same trap. I normally use a rock or piece of wood as a backer with a single dirthole or double poke hole. Most of the time I use lure and bait with a little gland urine on the backer. In high deer area's I skip the urine. All sets are narrow step-downs from 1" deep to sometimes 4" deep, trap is tight to the hole. There's nothing worse than seeing a fox track in between the pan and the hole. I think the step-down does a good job in itself for guiding, but I also place dirtclods to guard the loose jaw and maybe in a couple of other locations around the trap. These are sets in open fields along fencerows and woods. I think once you step in the woods you are targeting more greys and coons than you are reds, unless your setting roads, and the heavy blocking in v-shaped patterns and larger backers should be used more. I think one of the best grey fox sets is cut into a bank.Its virtually impossible for them to work the set from the back because of the incline.

Re: Set construction difference for reds and greys [Re: Canine Slayer] #1138088
01/20/09 11:47 AM
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Re: Set construction difference for reds and greys [Re: Andrew N.] #1138099
01/20/09 11:52 AM
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Re: Set construction difference for reds and greys [Re: HobbieTrapper] #1139004
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If setting up in an area that I suspect is traveled by greys, I use brush piles and larger backing than I would out in the open for reds and coyotes. I attempt to crowd them in over the trap with unstable footing, i.e. loose sticks, and round rocks, on the sides. I will try to get some decent photos tomorrow AM on my check. Good info so far.

Re: Set construction difference for reds and greys [Re: StemCell] #1140197
01/21/09 08:52 AM
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right now i have a couple sets out for greys. i have a rock as a backing at one and a log as backing at the other. i dont have anything on the sides tho, should i put something there. if i should what should i put there?

Re: Set construction difference for reds and greys [Re: auker994] #1140361
01/21/09 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted By: auker994
right now i have a couple sets out for greys. i have a rock as a backing at one and a log as backing at the other. i dont have anything on the sides tho, should i put something there. if i should what should i put there?


Look at some of the previous set pic's on this post, sticks,logs,rocks, whatever you can find.

Re: Set construction difference for reds and greys [Re: Canine Slayer] #1141603
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