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Baseplating Questions #1402730
07/03/09 12:48 AM
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Alright guys so here goes...I have some older Herters #2 coilsprings that i'm planning on modifying a bit and making some coyote traps out of. So far all I've really done is to replace the springs with #2 music wire springs. But the trap frames show a little bit of bending happening, even before I put the new springs in, so I'm gonna baseplate them. Any advice would be appreciated. But my main question is: Should I make my baseplates be my center swivel as well, OR should I just weld flat steel to it and make my center swivel separately out of some 1/4" rod and use some Sterling Swivels to start my chain?


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Re: Baseplating Questions [Re: Jbotto] #1402731
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also planning on laminating the jaws as well as replacing the chain. Just got the chain (MB #3 chain) and springs today in the mail. smile


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Re: Baseplating Questions [Re: ] #1402799
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Dont forget to bubble the jaw tips as well otherwise you will get the jaws popping out even if you lam them maybe not as much as if you dont but still will happen a lesson I learnd with some victor no2 I did much the same thing to



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Re: Baseplating Questions [Re: nightlife] #1402828
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Tex hit the nail on the head the only thing I would add is beefing up the dog. Go to this web site and follow Jason's lead.
http://www.customtrapmodification.com/images/DSC_0024.JPG
http://www.customtrapmodification.com/images/DSC_0010.JPG

Re: Baseplating Questions [Re: nightstalker1] #1402838
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If you put your first swivel after 2 links of #2 or 1 link of #3 then you can use the swivel to stabilize the loose jaw (rest the jaw on the swivel when bedding)


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Re: Baseplating Questions [Re: traprjohn] #1402850
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Honestly you're trying to make something out of nothing. The #2 Herters is the same trap as the old square jawed victors and B&L. Thin jaws and bases, low levers, ect... By the time you've done all you need to to them to make then into a coyote trap that will hold up you've put more money in them than they are worth. My suggestion is to sell them to a mink trapper or to a strictly fox trapper and put the money towards a better trap.

If you want top dollar for them PM me I'll give you a couple tips on what to do to them before putting them up for sale.

FWIW I'm one of the ones texa DISAGREES with on the center swiveling. lol

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Re: Baseplating Questions [Re: ] #1403579
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alright thanks a bunch guys! that helps a lot!


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Re: Baseplating Questions [Re: Jbotto] #1404847
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ok, Here goes another question, ADC, you say a better trap...I know now some people are not fans of Duke traps but if I did the same mods to the Duke #2's would they be a decent/good coyote trap?


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Re: Baseplating Questions [Re: Jbotto] #1404957
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Yes they would be a decent all around trap. Bridger modified would be even better.

Re: Baseplating Questions [Re: Jason Dufresne] #1404979
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hmmm...bridger make a nice trap. agreed there. but I know some people don't like the square jaws? what's the reasoning behind that?


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Re: Baseplating Questions [Re: Jbotto] #1405081
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Personal preference more than likely. A radius vs. a sharp bend in the jaw? More kill area inside of a radius. A number #2 Bridger has a greater jaw spread than a number #2 Duke though, which makes up for the sharp "square jaw". Just my $.02.

Both can be made into a great trap.Or go with the 1.65...




Give you a feel for the size difference #3, #2, 1.65 Bridger. Feel free to pm me if you have any more questions on modifications.

Re: Baseplating Questions [Re: Jason Dufresne] #1405105
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Ok thanks Jason, it might've been covered before but i'm posting a topic on jaw shape. I'm just curious I guess...


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Re: Baseplating Questions [Re: Jbotto] #1405205
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I agree with ADC, modifying old herters no. 2's is like putting a ribbon on a turd.

I tried with a couple of old style victor no.2's and they were a waste of time everything was way too light and thin. If you built up one thing something else would bend. The levers on herters and old victors are terribly thin.

I did modify a bunch of old Montgomery no. 2's and they are heavy built to start with and are now great coyote machines.

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Originally Posted By: Jbotto
ok, Here goes another question, ADC, you say a better trap...I know now some people are not fans of Duke traps but if I did the same mods to the Duke #2's would they be a decent/good coyote trap?


Short answer, Yes!

Out of the box they will hold most coyotes, where the #2 SQ jawed vics, b&l, and herters will lose most coyotes. On the #2 Duke, all the mods you do will only improve them, however the only mods you'd "have" to do would be bubble weld the jaw tips and the j-hooks shut and they will hold any coyotes that they get a hold on.

Personally, IF I was looking to buy traps specifically for coyotes though I'd go with a #3 sized trap, but for miltu use traps that will hold coyotes, the 1.75 or #2 duke would be a fine choice, IMO.

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Re: Baseplating Questions [Re: ] #1405392
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The only thing I hate about center swivels is the knot it leaves in my thigh. I had some #5 DLS traps that I just couldn't set due to the center swivel. I replaced them with a lap link and they now break easily over my knee.

I have several dozen Duke 1.75s with the round stock baseplates. I WISH I had done them with low profile flat plates to save my thigh.

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Originally Posted By: ADC
Personally, IF I was looking to buy traps specifically for coyotes though I'd go with a #3 sized trap, but for miltu use traps that will hold coyotes, the 1.75 or #2 duke would be a fine choice, IMO.



What? You're recomending Dukes now?

Re: Baseplating Questions [Re: DanielE] #1405502
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thanks guys for the info! As of now, i'm considering #2 Duke or #2 Bridger. What do you guys think? keep the help coming...all of it is very much appreciated. I suppose i could look at some #3's as well...

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