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Winter / Snow Sets #1430953
07/27/09 12:36 PM
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How do you guys make coon, fox and coyote sets in the middle of winter with 12" of snow on the ground?

Re: Winter / Snow Sets [Re: nick_pick] #1430973
07/27/09 12:45 PM
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Brute force and a BFH! grin


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Re: Winter / Snow Sets [Re: Blackdog] #1431010
07/27/09 01:18 PM
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different sets

Re: Winter / Snow Sets [Re: Blackdog] #1431013
07/27/09 01:20 PM
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lots of trail sets, and some flat sets beside the trails.
every critter will run down the snowmachine trail sooner or later.

Re: Winter / Snow Sets [Re: chessielover] #1431018
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Do you bed the trap in the snow? Or do you make a pocket set in the snow or just trail set and hope they step in it?

Re: Winter / Snow Sets [Re: ] #1431039
07/27/09 01:37 PM
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I caught alot of coon in my natural cubby sets intended for cats last year. These were exposed traps with guide sticks. I would guess if you used fish instead of the beaver meat I was using for bait, you could take alot of coon in them. These sets are a bit labor intensive, but they work. I also like the hay set in the snow if there is any around for you to use. Snares are also very effective, if you can use them there.


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Re: Winter / Snow Sets [Re: trapperkeck] #1431059
07/27/09 01:51 PM
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i bed the trap in the snow then make it look like some other fox or yote stepped on the trap. they like to walk in the same track.
for trail sets it's just a blind set in the center of the trail

Re: Winter / Snow Sets [Re: chessielover] #1431192
07/27/09 03:43 PM
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two words... Hay Set


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Re: Winter / Snow Sets [Re: lennitrapper] #1431195
07/27/09 03:46 PM
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Set in snow just like you would in dirt, just use wax paper over and under the trap, or a light plastic bag like you would put veggies in at the store. Just have to be careful with covering the trap as if you do it wrong, the snow sets up hard and animal won't set off the trap, but will walk over it.

-TJ


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Re: Winter / Snow Sets [Re: lennitrapper] #1431201
07/27/09 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted By: lennitrapper
two words... Hay Set


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Re: Winter / Snow Sets [Re: Blackdog] #1431205
07/27/09 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted By: Blackdog
Brute force and a BFH! grin


Thats about it.

Re: Winter / Snow Sets [Re: Top Jimmy] #1431216
07/27/09 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted By: Top Jimmy
Set in snow just like you would in dirt, just use wax paper over and under the trap, or a light plastic bag like you would put veggies in at the store. Just have to be careful with covering the trap as if you do it wrong, the snow sets up hard and animal won't set off the trap, but will walk over it.

-TJ


Well how about a primer on the covering.......tell us how.

Re: Winter / Snow Sets [Re: Fox Claw] #1431239
07/27/09 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted By: Whisker Down
Well how about a primer on the covering.......tell us how.


Asa has some good info on the correct method.

One trick i've picked up is, When setting with backing i try to keep my set on the north side.


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Re: Winter / Snow Sets [Re: Fox Claw] #1431277
07/27/09 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted By: Whisker Down
Originally Posted By: Top Jimmy
Set in snow just like you would in dirt, just use wax paper over and under the trap, or a light plastic bag like you would put veggies in at the store. Just have to be careful with covering the trap as if you do it wrong, the snow sets up hard and animal won't set off the trap, but will walk over it.

-TJ


Well how about a primer on the covering.......tell us how.


It is not that easy, it all depends on the kind of snow, temperature, and expected conditions. There are too many different kinds of snow to have a one size fits all way to go. If you browse the wilderness archives we have hashed out alot of the different ways in the past.


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Re: Winter / Snow Sets [Re: fishermann222] #1431400
07/27/09 05:34 PM
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When setting traps in the deep snow I wrap the entire trap in waxed paper. Depending upon how firm the snow is I may place some cedar leaves underneath the trap in real soft snow conditions. There is several sets I use but the main ones in order of my favorites is the scent post set either a natural scent post or one I have established along canine and bobcat travel routes. My favorite scent post is a large clump of marsh grass or weeds 2' high and 8" in diameter tied together with a brown cord and planted firmly into the snow in conspicuous places in open areas along trails where the post can be seen for a considerable distance. Urine or urine gland lure is applied to the top of the grass/weed post and a stronger curiosity lure is placed down low on the trap side of the post and tucked right inside of the grass/weed bundle.
Other sets are the undertrack sets, slipping a wrapped trap right underneath a track and replacing the track if necessary. Other trail sets are set up like one would snares, two traps about 20' to 50' apart with a big gob of lure or a large chunk of bait in between. I always come in from the side of the trails to make the sets and back away brushing out tracks for up to 50 feet or to where they are hidden from view by brush or whatever. I use a large teflon frying pan to throw snow high up into the air so that the snow gathers air while settleing down over the sets as this helps prevent the snow from freezing harder than a rock. With a little practice on can make a set look real natural that way to, just a skiff of new snow and a wary animal wouldn't even notice the disturbances made in the snow from making the set. I also throw snow over my tracks as I back away after first smoothing out the tracks with the rounded bottom of the teflon pan. I suppose I make it sound real simple when it does take some practice but I have been trapping upper Michigan's deep snow for 60 years. One more thing, traps must be exceptionally clean and deoderized in comparison to dirt trapping as snow being more porous than dirt allows trap odors to escape easily and canines will smell the trap many times and avoid it. By being scrupoulous aboth trap care I manage to keep avoidances to a minimum. Asa

Re: Winter / Snow Sets [Re: Asa Lenon] #1431415
07/27/09 05:43 PM
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Teflon pan.....I like that Asa. Heck I can ask my wife if I can borrow it for trapping..or whacking me for bringing in stinky odors into the house...lol

Re: Winter / Snow Sets [Re: MChewk] #1431529
07/27/09 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted By: MChewk
Teflon pan.....I like that Asa. Heck I can ask my wife if I can borrow it for trapping..or whacking me for bringing in stinky odors into the house...lol


Works out real well, snow doesn't easily stick to the teflon and serves as a snow scoop and snow thrower with a handle. Also, the bottom of the pan being rounded makes a nice tool for smoothing out footprints and disturbances as on backs away from the set. For years before teflon pans my Dad and myself carved large snow spoons to throw snow and smooth out tracks. We made them from basswood and waxed them in smoking hot trap wax so snow would not easily stick to them. Asa

Re: Winter / Snow Sets [Re: fishermann222] #1431677
07/27/09 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted By: fishermann222
Originally Posted By: Whisker Down
Originally Posted By: Top Jimmy
Set in snow just like you would in dirt, just use wax paper over and under the trap, or a light plastic bag like you would put veggies in at the store. Just have to be careful with covering the trap as if you do it wrong, the snow sets up hard and animal won't set off the trap, but will walk over it.

-TJ


Well how about a primer on the covering.......tell us how.


It is not that easy, it all depends on the kind of snow, temperature, and expected conditions. There are too many different kinds of snow to have a one size fits all way to go. If you browse the wilderness archives we have hashed out alot of the different ways in the past.


Yep, not that easy. Each snow is different depending on where you are at and how cold it is. Best is to practice in the back yard when yo have snow so you can see how your snow sets up doing it different ways. Up here, I try not to disturb it much at all and would never throw it in the air to let it settle. I just slowly scoop it and lay it very still onto the trap with very little movement of the snow if I can help it.

-TJ


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Re: Winter / Snow Sets [Re: Top Jimmy] #1431727
07/27/09 08:33 PM
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I use a large teflon frying pan to throw snow high up into the air so that the snow gathers air while settleing down over the sets as this helps prevent the snow from freezing harder than a rock.


I agree with Ace here.The key to this method is getting plenty of air on the snow.

I bed in bone dry peat and sift snow from head height(6'1)It works good but can be a curse when the wind is whipping.

This is for Pa,in the extreme north I can't say how well it works.

Re: Winter / Snow Sets [Re: cndgmn] #1431776
07/27/09 08:59 PM
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I have had some success with cover hulls in the snow. Use my foot to make a depression. Bed the trap on cover hulls. Cover trap with cover hulls. Now I sift a thin layer of snow over the set. If the snow is thin the crust will break with the weight of the fox. Sunshine is the enemy though cause it will melt the thin layer of snow over the trap. By makin the set on the north side of a woodlot the sun will be less of a problem.

I feel there are not enough resources that cover snow trapping. If you look at all of the books and video's you will find very few that cover much snow trapping.

Most of my k9 trapping happens in the winter after the deer hunters are all done so I have struggled to have success.


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