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Coon on wire stretchers? #1670957
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Just wondering if anybody uses wire stretchers for coon? i have a bunch of wire stretchers for coon and would like to see some pictures if anyone has some.


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Re: Coon on wire stretchers? [Re: hctapper] #1670999
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use wood only here my wire just sit on the nail.get bigger coon on wood .

Re: Coon on wire stretchers? [Re: mark81560] #1671007
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yea thats what ive heard i just cant afford wood at the time so would i be better selling green?


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Re: Coon on wire stretchers? [Re: hctapper] #1671014
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we use wire don't have any pics though

Re: Coon on wire stretchers? [Re: colt] #1671178
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I have some wire stretchers that I use when the boards are full.

I cut a piece of plywood about 12 or 15inches long and just wide enough to fit inside the bottom of the wire stretcher. Duct tape the plywood inside the bottom of the stretcher -- then you have a place to pin the bottom of the pelt and a place to pin open the tail. Also use clothes pins to hold the pelt on the bottom sides.

I believe that it is worth the time to stretch and dry your furs.

Re: Coon on wire stretchers? [Re: hctapper] #1671182
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Originally Posted By: hctapper
yea thats what ive heard i just cant afford wood at the time so would i be better selling green?



I wouldn't say that! Of course it looks better when its put up on wood but I would NOT take the gamble of selling green in this market!

Re: Coon on wire stretchers? [Re: BlueRidgeTrapper] #1671218
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Put up the coon on the wire stretchers. I use mainly wire with a few wood and I don't care what anyone says you don't get bigger coon on wood if you know how to use wire properly. And I have never seen a price or grade difference between the ones I put on wood or the wire.

Re: Coon on wire stretchers? [Re: ] #1671252
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I have sold to several differrent sources, from NAFA, Groeny, Zander. and a few others as well. Haven't sold local for years, except when Groeny comes around.
I have no desire to get into a wire/ wood arguement Everyone should use what they feel is best. Hctapper has no wood stretchers or money to buy them right now. So should he use the wire ones he has? Yes.

Re: Coon on wire stretchers? [Re: tkfurs] #1671266
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Ive nerer seen a fur buyer that put coon up on wood ..
Wire is just fine...........my 2 cents......

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Re: Coon on wire stretchers? [Re: Jim Blakley] #1671363
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Jim, What do fur buyers know about about putting up fur? I feel the same about rats too.


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Re: Coon on wire stretchers? [Re: MJM] #1671378
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Guess I might as well just throw all my coon out that were on wire. Nobody will want em' anyway and I'm prolly gonna get a terrible grade...

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Re: Coon on wire stretchers? [Re: Zeak] #1671597
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If all you have is wire, in NAFA's fur handling manual, it shows how to upgrade your wire to work better. If all I had was wire, I'd do the upgrade it's pretty simple and should be cheap.
After the season, look around for some rough cut white pine and plane it down and cut yourself out some boards. Call NAFA and ask for the free manual. Don't buy or make any boards that do not meet the spec's listed in the manual. Warning, there are a lot of guys claiming they have NAFA approved boards that do not meet the spec's listed in the manual. If I am either spending my time or money I want boards that are recommended to where my fur will get sold.

Re: Coon on wire stretchers? [Re: Rat Trapper Sr.] #1671808
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Putting up fur properly has everything to do with proper width and length. Wire stretchers aren't neccesarily bad if you use a wooden spacer on the bottom edge and tack the fur out properly to get the correct length and density, (which is done by proper nailing). Wire without a spacer is better than selling green. You loose square inches with wire and that is money. Selling green is also lost money. HP


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Re: Coon on wire stretchers? [Re: happyplumber] #1671915
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Wood does make a nicer looking pelt .



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Re: Coon on wire stretchers? [Re: coyote snarer] #1671926
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This what happyplumber is refering to ...


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Re: Coon on wire stretchers? [Re: coyote snarer] #1672004
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Good info does it matter what size plywood to use as far as thickness?


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Re: Coon on wire stretchers? [Re: hctapper] #1672342
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Alright i went out and tried this out...does this look alright or i need to do some more work to it?




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Re: Coon on wire stretchers? [Re: hctapper] #1672363
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Pins work better. Nails tear up the wood more. I guess it doesn't matter though cause you could just tape another piece of wood in there. Looks good otherwise


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Re: Coon on wire stretchers? [Re: tkfurs] #1672386
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Originally Posted By: tkfurs
Put up the coon on the wire stretchers. I use mainly wire with a few wood and I don't care what anyone says you don't get bigger coon on wood if you know how to use wire properly. And I have never seen a price or grade difference between the ones I put on wood or the wire.


I agree 100%

Re: Coon on wire stretchers? [Re: Dave Plueger] #1672444
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Yea im gonna get pins tomorrow for the next one i just didnt have them today and wanted to get this thing stretched


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Re: Coon on wire stretchers? [Re: Dave Plueger] #1672495
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I use some wires that have been converted work good.



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Re: Coon on wire stretchers? [Re: RainKing] #1672590
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Great info I got a bunch of wire I could bend and put wood in like that. Could you do that for rats the wire is about 3/16 and about right length.


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Re: Coon on wire stretchers? [Re: Dave Plueger] #1672681
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i had alot of coon fall into the xl 27-29 inch that i know could have been in the 2xl by having a streight skirt, so to me that would make it worthwhile to modify some as the picture shows. thanks for the idea!

Re: Coon on wire stretchers? [Re: dadof8] #1672733
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Wood or wire is a valid question, maybe, when coons are worth a $20 average. In today's market, I doubt it makes a hill of beans worth of difference. My partner and I use wood bottom/wire top stretchers because he insists on it, but when I'm trapping alone or with my wife we put up on wire, and both types of put-ups average within pennies of eaqch other. Wire is MUCH faster, wood makes the fur look marginally better. Proper skinning and fleshing are much more important.

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Re: Coon on wire stretchers? [Re: hctapper] #1672833
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Originally Posted By: hctapper
Alright i went out and tried this out...does this look alright or i need to do some more work to it?



That looks real good HC. I wouldn't have a problem buying that coon at all.


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Re: Coon on wire stretchers? [Re: mark] #1673552
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Thanks Mark i wish i could get down there and gets some tips from you but the budget just wont allow that at the time im tryint to learn what i can off here and hope i get it right..thanks to all for the help.


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Re: Coon on wire stretchers? [Re: mark] #1674186
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Tex are you talkin about how you have it pinned so theres more on the back?


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Re: Coon on wire stretchers? [Re: hctapper] #1674204
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Yeah, pleating does pull more around to the back, and helps you square up the skirt some.


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Alright..is it important to have the tail fleshed out good?


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Re: Coon on wire stretchers? [Re: hctapper] #1674374
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Skip the pins if you have more then a handful to do, electric stapler is the way to go.


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Re: Coon on wire stretchers? [Re: hctapper] #1674390
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Originally Posted By: hctapper
Alright..is it important to have the tail fleshed out good?


O yeah. Tail will start to smell real bad if it isn't scraped out and spread nicely to dry. Bad smell = rot and that = buyers walking away.

If you already have coons with rotting tails cut them off entirely from the skin. Even if you scraped it well, not having it spread can sometimes lead to rot due to it not drying well.

Re: Coon on wire stretchers? [Re: Tsarevna] #1674426
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In the case of coons, Trapperne is absolutely correct. Any industrial stapler doesn't have to be electric, but they are nice. I don't recommend stapling beaver though, not in this country mark


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Re: Coon on wire stretchers? [Re: mark] #1674760
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Why not staple beaver?


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Re: Coon on wire stretchers? [Re: Dave Plueger] #1674779
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we did half on wire and half on wood last season did not see any difference on price. wire is faster for me. but they do look nice on wood.


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Re: Coon on wire stretchers? [Re: MJM] #1674956
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Originally Posted By: MJM
Why not staple beaver?


Personally I believe you can overstretch beaver using staples, causing the edges to tear away, thus losing size. BUT! That is not what scares me most about it here in KY. Our humidity is so high that I just like the airspace provided between the fur and the board when you use nails. Granted, it is time consuming, however, the trade off is worth it when you consider even the slightest chance of mold.
Trappers who have done a ton of beaver over the years, won't over stretch one to the point of tearing, and humidity won't normally be a problem in that experience has shown them what a dry beaver is. But newbies will often stretch to that point, and beaver that appear dry aren't always as dry as they should be.
This guy is still a "rookie" so to speak, and thus should avoid the pitfalls if he can at all.


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Re: Coon on wire stretchers? [Re: trapperne] #1675002
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Originally Posted By: trapperne
Skip the pins if you have more then a handful to do, electric stapler is the way to go.


I have seen it and am a believer! Not sure if I'd staple onto a wooden stretcher but definitely the wires with wooden bottoms.


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Re: Coon on wire stretchers? [Re: mark] #1675022
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Yea that makes since Mark..speaking of the beaver where can i can patterns for boards of is there a way to make them on ur own?


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FHA and NAFA both have those patterns and they are available on request. I don't use them at all, and never have. If you let it, a beaver will tell you where to pin him down.
Staple your nose where you want it, measure halfway down the free hanging skin and grab both sides at the mid point and pull them out, mark one side as a reference point (should be enough grease on your fingers to mark a spot on the board, and staple the opposite side, then pick up the other side, taking it back to your mark and staple. Then put a staple in the bottom.
Now you have a "diamond shape" on your board.
Now go to the top and working alternate sides (L or R), find the mid way point between your nose staple and which ever side staple, and staple that, first one side, then the other, and then repeat at the bottom between the side staples and the tail staple.
Now you have 8 points stapled out, and the general shape of your beaver.
Now (again working alternate sides), start driving your nails at the mid points also working alternately top and bottom) until you have your nails no more than an inch apart. When you come to a staple pull it and replace it with a nail.
You will drive nails evenly rounding out the nose area by nailing at an imaginary line midway between the eyes and the nose. Then trim away the nose area that falls outside of that line.
Finally nail your leg holes shut, and any "uh oh holes" you might have made.
Finally work your fingers under your nails, and pull your hide away from the board, and to the tip of your nails. It is best to use a #6 box nail. As the beaver shrinks (and it will as it dries), it will pull your nails in a little, bending a few of them, but that is what you want.
I have a rack that holds all of my boards verticle. I like to putr a fan on them which helps dry the beaver a bit faster, and it helps manage the high humidity we deal with here in KY.


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Re: Coon on wire stretchers? [Re: Jim Spencer] #1675263
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Originally Posted By: Jim Spencer
Wood or wire is a valid question, maybe, when coons are worth a $20 average. In today's market, I doubt it makes a hill of beans worth of difference. My partner and I use wood bottom/wire top stretchers because he insists on it, but when I'm trapping alone or with my wife we put up on wire, and both types of put-ups average within pennies of eaqch other. Wire is MUCH faster, wood makes the fur look marginally better. Proper skinning and fleshing are much more important.

My 2 cents.


You know I was kina thinking along these lines but also weather the coon is from either NC/VA or from minny might make a difference where the critter is from??? some of those big northern coon might be worth putting up on boards but a borderline coat semi heavy its gonna be wire every time for me smile


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Re: Coon on wire stretchers? [Re: aprophet] #1675309
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I know this will stir some up but I have heard the largest buyer of raw fur in North America tell me many times that there is absolutely no advantage to boarding any fur bearer. This coming from someone who has sold literally millions of raw and dressed goods to foreign out lets for decades. With that much experience I'm not going to argue with him so its wire for me. No matter what you do (money cut into belly fur, pinning to gain an inch etc.) That pelt will ALWAYS return to its original length and shape when dressed. The foreign markets no this and buy accordingly.

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Very impformative post there Mark on the beaver boarding. As far as the debate on to board or not to board fur im just interested in puttin fur up whether its wood or wire i do agree that coons on wood look alot better but im just gonna us what i have and make it look the best i can.


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Re: Coon on wire stretchers? [Re: hctapper] #1675992
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Here you go, this is in the archive...

http://www.trapperman.com/forum/ubbthrea...html#Post798823

Gives a good stretch and you can use the money cut. If using plywood you may want to get a staple gun vs push pins. Tom

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