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I was interviewed extensively for this Book. #1870809
03/04/10 01:25 PM
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The author of this Book(Wesley Smith) interviewed me quite extensively for insights into what the impact of Animal Rights or the misunderstanding of animal rights is to humanity. I hope some of you buy the book a it ill give us a more valuable understanding of how to combat the illogical Philosophy of animal rights while teaching us that we can be proud of our specieism & exceptualism.

http://www.amazon.com/Rat-Pig-Dog-Boy-Mo...0606&sr=1-1

Here is a review that describes Wesley Smith's challenge to the ARA and reasonable thinking people.

St. Louis Post-Dispatch
In defense of 'speciesism'
By Colleen Carroll Campbell
03/04/2010
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/co...32?OpenDocument

Wesley J. Smith is a speciesist. And he thinks you should be, too.

An attorney and author of a new expose on the animal-rights movement,
Smith promotes what was once an uncontroversial idea: the belief that
"human beings stand at the pinnacle of the moral hierarchy of life."
He thinks humans have a duty to treat animals humanely. He also thinks
we have a right to use animals to promote human flourishing and
alleviate human suffering. In short, Smith loves animals but values
humans more.

According to animal-rights activists, that makes him guilty of
"speciesism:" a form of discrimination as arbitrary and pernicious as
racism, and one that some believe must be eradicated by any means
necessary. After all, "animals are people and people are animals," as
self-described "eco-anarcha-feminist animal" Pattrice Jones puts it.
Or, to quote People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals president
Ingrid Newkirk, "A rat is a pig is a dog is a boy. They are all
mammals."

Newkirk's non-sequitur serves as the title for Smith's meticulously
documented book, "A Rat Is a Pig Is a Dog Is a Boy: The Human Cost of
the Animal Rights Movement." His research reveals the muddled,
misanthropic thinking behind a movement that has gained mainstream
acceptance in America, even as most Americans remain ignorant about
its true goals.

Those goals include the elevation of animals to the moral and legal
status of people and the eradication of virtually all uses of animals
— for food, companionship and even medical research. If animal-rights
activists have their way, we will see the abolition of everything from
recreational fishing and visits to the zoo to the use of guide dogs
for the blind and household pets of any kind. Forget about eating meat
or sushi or strapping on leather shoes and wool sweaters. And don't
even think about donning a silk scarf or drizzling honey on your
dairy-free dessert. Animal-rights activists object to beekeeping
because it subjects hive queens to "rape racks," and PETA opposes the
use of silkworms because they are "feeling beings."

It's easy to snicker at the sort of people who berated Barack Obama
last year for smacking a fly. (PETA denounced his televised swat as an
"execution.") Yet Smith told me in a recent interview that he found
surprisingly little distance between the views of the movement's
violent radicals and those who serve as its more moderate public face.
Animal-rights terrorists — those who plant bombs in the cars and
target the children of medical researchers who experiment on animals —
often operate with the sympathy and tacit approval of more peaceable
protestors.

Even more troubling, animal-rights activists have succeeded in
confusing the public about the difference between animal rights and
animal welfare. The latter is a noble cause supported by the vast
majority of Americans who want to protect animals from cruelty, even
though they do not consider animals their moral equals — a caveat that
runs counter to animal-rights ideology. Despite this distinction,
"animal rights" has "become the catchall term for virtually any effort
to protect animals," Smith says, and the resulting confusion has
allowed the animal-rights movement to gain legitimacy it does not
deserve.

That legitimacy threatens universal human rights, which are grounded
in the principle that all humans are equal simply because we are
human. If we reject that principle and argue that our rights are based
on something other than our shared human nature — that it is a
creature's apparent rationality or self-awareness, for instance, that
entitles it to rights — we can wind up elevating the rights of chimps
and pigs above those of profoundly disabled or demented humans.
Indeed, some animal-rights advocates have done just that.

Animals do not have rights or the moral responsibilities that
accompany rights. That's why we prosecuted Michael Vick, not his pit
bulls, for dog-fighting. That's why executives at Sea World, not its
orcas, are facing public scrutiny for a whale trainer's death last
week. And that's why we ponder our moral obligations to animals — who
are, after all, the ultimate speciesists — even though animals do not
do the same for us. We do so because we are human, endowed with
exceptional dignity that deserves singular defense.

Colleen Carroll Campbell is an author, television and radio host and
St. Louis-based fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center. Her
website is www.colleen-campbell.com.


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They need to read the Bible...
anyone who believes that animals are our equal must also be an atheist or are very uninformed.

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Originally Posted By: Idtrapper
They need to read the Bible...
anyone who believes that animals are our equal must also be an atheist or are very uninformed.


Let's see if we can't keep the Bible banging out of this one.

I think this book would be a worthwhile read! That author has probably painted a target on his back, though. He'll probably receive a lot of harassment by the AR terrorists.


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Originally Posted By: Ole Hawkeye
Originally Posted By: Idtrapper
They need to read the Bible...
anyone who believes that animals are our equal must also be an atheist or are very uninformed.


Let's see if we can't keep the Bible banging out of this one.

I think this book would be a worthwhile read! That author has probably painted a target on his back, though. He'll probably receive a lot of harassment by the AR terrorists.


Or worse! Those folks can be militant!


"if someone did that to my cowboy boots id punch em right in the face." - Barry Leroy
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Hey I just bought an AR!! Know of any activist I could use it on?

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Originally Posted By: Ole Hawkeye
Originally Posted By: Idtrapper
They need to read the Bible...
anyone who believes that animals are our equal must also be an atheist or are very uninformed.


Let's see if we can't keep the Bible banging out of this one.

I think this book would be a worthwhile read! That author has probably painted a target on his back, though. He'll probably receive a lot of harassment by the AR terrorists.

I'll post my opinion whenever I want --

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Excuse me!!!! I know the Bible quite well thank you. How did you arrive at the conclusion that the author believes animals are our equal from the piece above? He is stating that we as Humans are Exceptional because of our morality and that Animal Rights Activists hate us as Speciests for believing we are exceptional. Mr . Smith feels that is the Creators rule for our exceptionalism. I happen to believe the same.


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You have that right Hawkeye. He has been vilified by ARA Shrill Matthew Sully in a oped almost before the first book was released.


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As soon as my dog or any other animal starts paying my mortgage,mowing the lawn ,and splitting the wood I'll consider them my equal.


I haven't had this much fun since I was knee high to a grasshopper
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Originally Posted By: N.W.MISSOURI
As soon as my dog or any other animal starts paying my mortgage,mowing the lawn ,and splitting the wood I'll consider them my equal.


In fact you are PRIVILEGING your animal with food , medical attention & shelter despite the dog's lack of morality that would recognize how to reciprocate your kindness in doing so.


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the only problem is the people that need to read books like these are the ones who will never see it we need to get this thing on the ny bestseller so it can get some good press and be read


ANFN http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iqnMrynpq9U none are more hopelessly enslaved then those who believe they are free!
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Originally Posted By: Mira Trapper
Originally Posted By: N.W.MISSOURI
As soon as my dog or any other animal starts paying my mortgage,mowing the lawn ,and splitting the wood I'll consider them my equal.


In fact you are PRIVILEGING your animal with food , medical attention & shelter despite the dog's lack of morality that would recognize how to reciprocate your kindness in doing so.
Peta people and extreme animal rights activists are NUTS
I believe in animal rights and I don't discriminate EVERY ANIMAL IS WELCOME IN MY TRAP and every one has a right to get in my trap LOL All joking aside I don't think animals should be mistreated in any way shape or form. Now I also believe in using the renewable resource of fur that mother nature supplies to us.And yes there is a difference .


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Originally Posted By: N.W.MISSOURI
Originally Posted By: Mira Trapper
Originally Posted By: N.W.MISSOURI
As soon as my dog or any other animal starts paying my mortgage,mowing the lawn ,and splitting the wood I'll consider them my equal.


In fact you are PRIVILEGING your animal with food , medical attention & shelter despite the dog's lack of morality that would recognize how to reciprocate your kindness in doing so.
Peta people and extreme animal rights activists are NUTS
I believe in animal rights and I don't discriminate EVERY ANIMAL IS WELCOME IN MY TRAP and every one has a right to get in my trap LOL All joking aside I don't think animals should be mistreated in any way shape or form. Now I also believe in using the renewable resource of fur that mother nature supplies to us.And yes there is a difference .




Putting your feelings into words. Correct me if I am wrong. You love animal species but can kill individuals from a species knowing that it is good for your profits while be a healthy profit to the herd or pack.


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Originally Posted By: Idtrapper
They need to read the Bible...
anyone who believes that animals are our equal must also be an atheist or are very uninformed.


Sorry I replied to you thinking you meant the Author thought we and the animals were equals. The book actually stresses how exceptional we are and why we should not be ashamed to be classed as morality driven speciest who understand morals guide rights that animals do not have..

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Originally Posted By: laurel mtman
I believe the Good Lord made a place for all his critters... right next to the mashed 'taters !

Coyote with mashed potatoes and gravey? um um um

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Use the pelt off the coyote to pay for the potatoes. Wink


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PETA does not believe we have the right to kill a cougar, but a cougar has the right to kill a human. Now who's life do they value the most?


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Originally Posted By: laurel mtman
Seriously though, I heard the fella who wrote this book give an interview on a talk radio show the other day. Sounds like a great read. Lots of history on the AR movement.



Not only History but a knowledge based argument against allowing the ARA to speak against human exceptualism and why we can embrace the fact that all humans must be speciest in order to survive. I really do hope this book takes off. It could be a great resource for our younger students to challenge the classroom antics of teachers or students who promote veganism or animal rights. One of the reasons I was interviewed was over the management of wildlife through trapping and hunting. Another reason is because I have been one of the first to tackle and prove the specieism of vegan AR proponents. They have claimed higher moral ground & profound hatred for capitalist driven meat industry as if the specieism of killing animals for food was evil. When I point out to those Vegang/ARA debators that they are even more speciest as their food is killed by heavy machinery, poisoned by a 40 billion dollar spray industry, poisoned or shot as pests to protect crops or as road kill in fields and railroads they claim up tighter then oysters on a dry beach. The reason being they can see that both meat and crop production are capitalist and speciest designed to make us thrive. It becomes doubly embarrassing when I point out that only the meat industry uses animal welfare laws as a foundation in their food production even as the animals killed in crop production or protection die with no such animal welfare laws. The truth is those Vegan/ARA have no desire to recognize their own speciesm and the fact that humans are exceptional because we are moral agents. However only meat eaters are concerned that their animals die quickly and humanely. Rats & pigeons can take 50 hours to bleed out from warfarin poisoning but no ARA/vegan will weep over those deaths because it impacts their own speciesm. t


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Originally Posted By: Mira Trapper
They have claimed higher moral ground & profound hatred for capitalist driven meat industry as if the specieism of killing animals for food was evil.


They hate it when communists do it too. They attack China pretty often on youtube, trying to make people boycott Armani for using rabbit fur trim. They show rabbits hung up to bled that are still twitching from the stun gun, and say they are "skinned alive in China."

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..dang Tassy, what channel are you watching?

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