I have started doing a little ADC work
I am getting a few more jobs to do my question is
what do some of you guys charge per animal from moles to beaver
please pm me with any help

I usually charge per the job, not by the animal.

Missouri. it would probably serve you better to have a friend or relative call local ADC guys and find out what the going rate is in your area, whether it's by job or animal. That's what we did when we were new to the business. Now I'm the old guy and people call us to establish a price.

There is only one guy with in 25 miles of me that I can find doing ADC work and I called him he pretty much told me to go to south of heaven

You know when I started my competition never said nothing and refused to.

So had the wife call around and she got prices over the phone as a customer and I was able to get some favorable base to start with. I gave up on per animal charges just did not work for me too many variables and to me all a job was my windshield time, time on the property, use of my equipment, wear and tear and baits and lures.

NW Missouri tell me your town and county and I should be able to tell you who is and not in your area. Guys drive farther for the bigger bat and bird jobs . The average critter on the ground mileage is about 45 miles. I know guys who go further and many that won't even drive 20.

For a free listing in Missouri go here http://thewildlifepro.net/?q=forum/70

All other US, Canada go here
http://thewildlifepro.net/?q=forum

In Sarasota Fl my whole area of business usually was within 13 miles of my home but I had over a half million population to work with and all the beach resort areas.Traffic was a big variable and my worst enemy even working 13 miles from home.

It depends on the job.

I always charge by the job for chipmunks, squirrels, voles, muskrats

I charge per catch for raccoons, woodchucks, beaver, coyotes

I go either way on skunks and other species depending on the job

I Do a Inspection an set up fee which covers my drive time an time at the job site an then a per animal fee to pay for baits carcass disposal, an them any other expense I have for that job. I do not do the per animal fee with bats or birds.

I do the same set up/ inspection fee for jobs that I charge per animal.

But my question is do you charge the same per animal fee regardless of the animal?

If you charge $50 for a raccoon do you charge more for a coyote or less for a mole?

I couldn't see charging the same for a beaver and a vole and that is why I switched to set prices for certain animals.

Yes my per animal fees very from different types of animals an depending on the area I live near a few rich towns such as Aspen an Snowmass so my per beaver fees vary from 100 dollers up to 250 dollers depending on how hard it is to set the stupid suitcase traps that we are now reduced to use in the state of colorado. They scare me to I feel more comfortable settin a 330 conibear then those live beaver traps.

Sam here as above!

Starting adc, I've read posts on here to base pricing.
Everything but coyote, I charge per animal, coyote, I
charge 50 a head, plus 50 a month for keeping the
service running on ranches/farms depending on travel/
mileage.

You must not be doing ADC full time. That's way too cheap for coyote work.

I was thinking the same thing but didn't want to be the one to say anything.

I would go broke at $50 a head

No not yet I'm not, but when coyote becomes a big part of my
work which its not yet, I'll have to raise the rate alot.
Skunks are good money here. setup and first catch 125.00
and I'm still 75.00 cheaper then my closest competition.
The other thing is, like catching yotes, but I'm a coyote
catching student compared to many of you, and a master compared
to most around here.
I read on here alot more then I post.

for True predator control, acreage, type of property, woods, field, pasture... all depends. say for a job 20 miles away for predator reduction. 1 months time,(traps ran everyday) traps for coyotes, fox, coon and skunk... $2-5K good luck.

I guess that depends on how many traps your puting out.
2-5k a month, not unless your running a few person crew,
or buying all your baits lure etc.
Depends on how big of ranch your working too. most around here.
150 acers tops. Even part time, I've been making out pretty
well.

I don't want to be a jerk but maybe your not thinking clearly.

$50 a coyote and $50 a month won't pay for your time or fuel. That doesn't even include insurance for yourself or vehicle, vehicle maintance, wear and tear on equipment, etc.

If your farm is 10 miles away you are running 20 miles every day, 140 miles a week, 600 miles a month. Gas at $2.50 a gallon and say you get 15 miles a gallon you are spending $100 just in gas a month and that is with generous figures. more realistic numbers would be 10 miles a gallon at $3.00 a gallon and you are at $180 a month.

Honestly how many coyotes are you pulling off a 150 acre farm a month?

Even without looking at the fact you are spending more than you are making you are shorting yourself income because you could be charging double what you are now and still be lowballing.

How do you go about starting up adc work? I imagin it varies from state to state

I'll jump up on my soapbox one more time.

I never ever charge per animal, this ain't fur trapping. This is problem solving. I charge X amount to solve the problem. If that means I show up and go BOO and the animal leaves and never comes back I get paid. If I have to chase down and wrestle the SOB to the ground and haul it off I get paid. If I have to set a gross of traps I get paid. My skill is not in how many I can catch (though I'm pretty danged good in that area too) but in how I can can target the problem and solve it.

Disagree all you want but the per animal charge is to open to cheats for my taste. What about the common squirrel in the attic call? At certain times of the year that will be one lone female (though soon to be more). How do you make money on a per animal charge then? If you do it right she's busted the first check and your done (well not quite but alot of per animal guys know squat about exclusion). I tell you how my competitors make money on that call. They catch the neighbors squirrels, thats how.

Your best bet is to first learn the animals. How many, when at what time of year. And that will tell you how many you will catch, how many traps to use and how many checks to get them all. Now add up your time, gas and expenses and you have your per JOB fee. On many species this can be predicted from the office and the fee can be quoted up front. On other species (bats, beavers, canines for example) each job is unique and must be quoted based upon site inspection. For those I have a base rate inspection with the understanding that my quote is based upon that inspection.

BTW, a fifty dollar yote ain't enough to get my key in the ignition. When a customer quotes me a price like that I laugh and tell them to keep my number handy.

Wow, How can ya argue with that? I guess I should have been
a business man first, well I got that wrong. I'm a trapper first.
I've trapped yotes on 10 dollar bounty pay.
I'm not waiting on 50 to roll my truck in the morning, I'm
happy to be heading to the woods, or checking traps, or catching
suckers for my fall coon line. I did factory work for years,
hated it.
Its not all about money.

Please don't take offense, but not being independantly wealthy this ain't no hobby for me. It is all about the money.

I'm not independantly wealthy by a long shot, its the difference
between working a crummy job for 400-600 a week, or doing
what I love to do for the same amount. My wife having a job helps
My competition being all about the money, is why I have no
competition.

It all depends on the job itself as to how I charge. I have some big farms that I do gopher work on and they are a setup fee and a per gopher fee. The rest of my gopher work is a flat rate. I have some big pecan groves that I do contiual squirrel trapping on and they are on a per head charge. Any squirrel in a house is a flat rate. Skunks are a setup fee and a per head fee. Coyotes are a set up fee and a per head fee. I also charge a seperate fee for any exclusion work.

For 20-30K a year I'd go back to framing houses as a nail driver. I enjoyed that but it didn't pay the bills so I started running the crews and built a few myself. I can more than double those numbers as trapper that's why I ain't building houses anymore.
Your selling yourself short if your any kind of trapper. Couple that with good exclusion skills and the sky's the limit.

x2 Business is business, no matter what business you are in. It is ALWAYS all about money.....or you won't be in business anymore.

Warrior is darn sure right about the 50 dollar coyote, but this subject has been hashed over a lot on this site. The simple truth is which ever works for you in your area is the way to charge for your services. We do, in fact, charge a one time service call (set up fee if you like) and then charge per animal caught. We've been doing it this way for almost 17 yrs. and it has worked well for us. I'am not saying by any means it is the best or the only way to charge but again, it works well for us. As for it opening the door to being dishonest if you're a crook you'll be a crook no matter how you charge. Over 97% of our new business comes from word of mouth referrals comming from past customers so I guess we're doing something right.

Bob

I agree with that.

What you are doing is driving down the prices for everyone.

You love to get up and be in the woods and that is great, I think everyone does. But I think you would love to be in the woods just as much if you were charging an acceptable fee. But like you said, your not a business, your a trapper.

But whether your a trapper or a business the fact still remains that you are putting your assets at risk every time you set a trap.

Guys, if you want to play the losing game of driving down prices take a close look at the nearest business model to us, the Pest Control Industry. An amazing amount of turnover and poor quality technicians. It seems the model for pest control is get in build and sell out. All because they have driven the service price down to a point where there is a pest control on every corner. Most of the guys I know in that industry are starving for business.

Same thing can be said for the lawn care guys. I know a guy down the street that gets his lawn cut, and blown down for $5 per lawn mow and he has an acre. I am curious if that guy is still in business this year. At $5 per acre he is losing his shirt and pants

$5!!!!! He better live somewhere warm so he doesn't need those clothes! Oh he's in WI....dang gonna be cold this winter.

David, I respectfully disagree about the per-animal charge. I provide a customized service that is priced to
A. solve the problem, and
B. make me money.
If I can't do both, I can't stay in business. I find that a per-catch fee is most fair, because nobody really knows how many targets need to be removed. I'm doing a job right now in which one of the local "trap-setters" (i.e., PCO's with some box traps) utterly screwed up. Did a lot of (crummy) work, took the customer's money, but DID NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM. Their new bid to take another blind stab at the problem is a number they obviously pulled right out of their a...thletic supporters. I have no idea how they arrived at this lump sum, and I'm sure they don't either. They would surely make money on this job becuz they take shortcut after shortcut. I used to work for these chiselers, and I know how they would cheat a customer rather than take a loss.
Point is, I guess, is that there is more than one way to skin a cat, and I price things to make good money on (nearly) every job. Both you and I have enuf experience to know how to price jobs, and for myself, I price in the variables. It makes for a more complicated bid, but the a la carte pricing seems to be most fair to me.
As for fur trappers who would invest $49.95 in time and capital for a $50 'yote, yeah, that ain't business...that's a HOBBY,... and, with all due respect, they'll find out soon enough (hopefully not the hard way--being sued without insurance). I used to do rodeo photography, ran it as a business, didn't have insurance (yes, the bulls were real, and sometimes they were real mad, and sometimes they would gladly try to take their frustrations out on innocent ol' me, the photographer) VERY STUPID, from a bidness standpoint. No way could I make a living at it at that level, but I friggin' loved it!!

There is really no way anyone can agree or disagree on the per animal verses per job argument.

I have always used the per animal method and if my son found out he could make more money on the per job method, we'd have a new way of doing business tomorrow.

After many years in the business I have gone the gambit of charges and have seen the benefit and negatives of each type of charges.

I finally settled on a per trip charge as per our contract language and at times I charge per trip and per animal. This is dependent upon the job whether it is commercial or residential also.

When you charge per animal you can get burnt many times over if you just have ordinary circumstances occur. Such as someone or something sets off your traps, moves your traps, non target catches, you catch the neighbors cat etc. You have to go back at your cost to re set or service your traps.It becomes a loss of income if you or your employees have to go back for work and no pay.That gets old fast.

A good business will try to always have compensation paid for his or her time for most all services. Granted we all do some freebee token services at times but for the most part it is business as usual.

You will eventually learn the ropes and what jobs will require multiple catches and charging per trip always pays for your time and covers the animal charge too.

If I set up a coon job and feel I may be catching other target animals in the process as well or multiple coons I bid a per trip charge. If I remove one or 3 coons on that trip I am already there anyways. If I bid it for $85 to $125 per trip regardless of the catch number I am still ahead.The time for most removals is under 30 mins per stop with removals and re sets when multiple traps are incorporated.

The guy charging $50 an animal will sometimes run into a problem with costs when the multi animal scenario shows up. Then the consumers are prone to get upset.Then they talk to a per trip business operation and that business may likely end up with the job if the customers are price shopping and do the math.

I have a friend who is close to my business and he is a per animal job bidder. We usually both get the same calls at times and when they do the math with per animal vs per trip we usually get the job.

When he has interference and set off traps and non target catches he has to go back at his expense and time to do trap maintenance. I have gone round and round explaining to him the animal charge isnt working well for his business over 60% of the jobs he does he has return trips for fired traps or interference.

Mole jobs I sell 10 day programs initially for most residence jobs.I make 3-4 checks in that 10 day program.Depending on the distance traveled and the size of the project.I usually charge $350 to $600 per program. Not per catch.

Persistant or probable reinfestation jobs I will sell a seasonal program.The last few mole jobs I sold were all over $500 and up and they couldnt wait to give me a check.Doesnt that make a fella feel like he is under charging for his services.

When I charge per animal it is exactly that "PER ANIMAL" it don't matter if it is the neighbors cat or a snake. If it is in my trap they are charged for it. The key to this is knowledge of what bait to use to prevent incidental catches, but nothing is fool proof.

I offset the empty trap runs by charging milage for any distance over 10 miles.

Perfect example. I did a skunk job last week. Customer swore he had 3 skunks in a hole under a barn. I drove 36 miles one way to set up the job. Customer knew it was per animal, milage, plus my set up fee. Told him he could save a few bucks by checking the traps in the morning and avoid paying me milage for checking empty traps. He was happy with that. First night had 2 skunks, second night nothing. After 2 more days nothing. Didn't drive out and he didn't get charged. Last day I showed up picked up my gear dropped off an invoice and was done. He ended up only paying milage for 2 days and he was happy and I was happy. If I would of bid that job as a set price I would of charged a lot more than what I made, but I think the customer would of been upset since he thought he had more than what he did.

Like Paul said, you will never get everyone to agree on what is better. I do both set prices and per animal depending on the job. But regardless if its per animal or per job I always charge an hourly rate for exclusion work. That never gets added into the set price or per animal price.

If you dont mind me asking, what do you charge for a seasonal mole control contract?

Each job is priced according to travel distance and anticipated work time.Pricing ranges from $1200 to $2100 for 6 months. Trapping for 5 days with 2 checks in that 5 day time once a month.

If I am close and a call comes in from a seasonal customer and it isnt out of my way I may do a spot set up and removal in between monthly set ups.If out of my way they have to wait until my normal service week of the next month.

Once you become proficient at mole work, single or new break in moles are quickly removed and easy to catch in shallow runs.Distance traveled is the key in pricing and the size area that needs cleaning and how fast you work.

I'm happy this thread has kept going.LOL As I said a while
back, I'm just starting a pest control business, and learning
from all the adc guys on trapperman has been helping me tons!!
Lt grey,winkleman,krausen, All your input is helping me put
a great program together.
Patheticly bad price quoting is what got you guys talking.LOL
If ya want to be the best, ya have to learn from the best,
and I just happen to know where to find all the best instructors
in one place.
Thanks ADC trapperman

Here are my thoughts on charging. We have a Kill that the general public does not. If the general public could trap a skunk under there house they would do it themselves. The people will pay a plumber a 115 doller show up fee to come an fix there plumbing problem. If the custumer does not like your price at the time, they can live with that smelly skunk till the women of the house can not stand the skunk smell anymore. They will call you back an pay your prices. Dont kiss the custumers [Please excuse my language... I'm an idiot] just cuz they feel the price is to much. I had a guy ask me for a 50% percent discount on a 100 doller job an I told him no he called me back 3 weeks later an I told him that I was kinda of busy an for me to get to hime it was going to be a 500 doller job an the client payed it. So there is some food for thought.

Actually most homeowners, at least in my area, are perfectly capable of trapping a skunk. It's what do they do with it, once they catch it, that's the problem. People are very afraid of getting sprayed.

When I tell a potential customer that it's going to be $75 to check out the area and set traps and then $50 for each animal I catch, they look at me like I'm nuts. "A hundred and twenty-five dollars to catch a skunk!!??" I always tell them that they can go down to the hardware store and buy a $35 trap and catch it themselves. "But then what are you going to do with it?"

Most times I can see the wheels turning in their head and after a minute or so $125 doesn't sound so bad. lol

city cops really help sell that deal, after they've answered calls and blasted a few with shotguns.lol nothing like some
fabreeze for the neighborhood.LOL

Inspection/set up fee and per animal for us. And depending on your service area you can make a profit on a per animal basis but for the most part we view the animals as a impediment to the real money which is repair/exclusion. Had a customer complain about the third squirrel this winter, when we make sure to let them know average is one to five in this area, I told him every time we are there we have to park at least two houses away, carry a 32 foot ladder up 27 steps (yes I counted) then around the back of his home and then climb up his roof to a trap that was less than a foot from the entry point and if I had a magic wand to make all the squirrels disappear I would of used it by now and had the repairs done. Looking at me with the ladder in my hands and standing in ten inches of snow I guess it clicked with him. Now on the other hand had a job yesterday where this elderly lady had squirrels a few years ago, company she had out did a good job, removed squirrels and did repairs. Hearing noises again, old company is no longer in business so found another, they came out and put two traps in yard one at base of tree and as this area of town is full of squirrels they caught SQUIRRELS!!! After husband complained about animal charges they said they were out and recommended they cut down small tree and removed traps, when contacted about noise still being there they said there were no more squirrels she must have rats. After inspection showed no possible squirrel entry and no sign of rats she took me to bathroom and made me listen to "animal noise" which turned out to be the tub enclosure popping when exhaust fan was used. Left them with a stack of cards and no invoice but lots of good will.

!!

I appreciate all the feed back

That seems to be the going rate around here. There's no shortage of ADC companies around. That might be the problem.

btw, Nick, what are you getting for skunk jobs?

Don't want to high-jack this thread, but I would like some suggestions on a job some folks want to hire me for.

I have a potential beaver job in a neighborhood subdivision, only it is 80+ miles aways from where I live.

I charge a set-up/consultation/inspection fee of $100 and then charge for the job. But this is my FIRST subdivision job and I know I'll have kids, dogs and cat roaming and most likely traps/sets fooled-with and possibly taken, stolen, etc.

I would only be able to work on this Friday-Sunday. How would you approach this type of set-up and especially with the 1.5 hr travel one way?

All recommendations/suggestions appreciated and please do not spare my feelings on this one.

You need to make sure you inform them they are liable for any and all stolen/damaged equipment.

Oh, that is written in my contract agreement already...

Looking for hourly charge since it's over 160 miles round trip and would any of you attempt this job with it being in a neighborhood with kiddos and pets...naturally plenty of teenagers up to no-good. All my past jobs have been rural and no problem with those, but this is a total different ball of wax.

160 miles is more than I would travel unless I had nothing else going.

But if it helps you Sullivan had a article not long ago where he charged a whole lotta money per beaver for a job away from home.

My memory isn't the greatest but I think he charged $1000 a beaver and was traveling 150+ miles for the job.

If it was me and only having 3 days to trap I would give them a set price for the 3 days. I would base it off miles driven round trip, time to set up, and an estimated # of beaver caught. And with not knowing anything about Texas beaver or the size of the pond, if it has inlets to a lake or river I can not guess how many beaver are in the pond.

Nothing else going on right now on the burners...

ChrisL2,
Here is a similar thread on the same subject-
http://www.trapperman.com/forum/ubbthrea...tml#Post1791275

In my area, yukon, Ok. the fee is $150 to come out and see what the deal is, and then it is $55 per animal.

Good story, Charles...Joe, I gotta laugh about the guy who wants fifty bucks off a hunnert-dollar job. Ask him if he'll buy your groceries for a week...

Not so much you get what you pay for as you DON'T get what you DON'T pay for.
Regarding the beaver job in the subdivision I suggest keeping it on the QT as much as possible...not because you are sneaking around or are ashamed of your activities, but people will be VERY interested in what you are doing, and the whole neighborhood will soon know about it, including kids who will mess with your sets. My plan of action when dealing with the local tenants is A. Don't advertise your presence. B. Don't speak to tenants unless spoken to. If they ask what you are doing, tell 'em "I'm doing some work for the management." Period. C. Keep people from seeing your traps as much as possible without seeming sneaky.

I seem to do better by doing the inspection and then giving a quote for the job at hand rather than a per animal fee. seems like i can figure in my overhead alot better. after the job of removal is done then i charge a per hour fee for animal damage repair,just about double the money right there and i'm already there anyway. seems to be a win win situation for both me and the customer, nobody ever complains i guess since my closest competition that i know of is billy the exterminator with vexcon about 100 miles west of me.

For a chance to be on TV I wouldn't doubt if people all over your State aren't calling Billy to see how far he will travel.

If Billy is your "competition", you should be doing quite well..... I can't even watch the show due to the constant footage of improper methods (animal handling, safety, no PPE's, etc). I know it's "only TV", but that show is doing more damage to our industry and image than can be measured.

yea, i think he's a joke too, and yea since his tv show i have gotten alot more calls. I think the only good thing he has done for this area is open peoples eyes to the wildlife control business.

That is exactly what I have said since day one. Like Billy or hate him that is up to you. But to say he is ruining our business is a joke. The guy is creating business for us by showing the uninformed that we exist and are here to help them.

Ron I am not sure how much damage he can do to our image if the majority of the public does not even know we exist???


Reminds me of years ago when I was doing work for the cable company and the movie "cable guy" came out. Every house I went to they would make some stupid comment about the movie. Did that movie do a cable company employee's image any good? Nope, but everyone who needs cable still calls.
Same can be said for Billy. So a customer might say "You don't look like Billy" , who cares. You still got the job and shortly their money and solved their problem. If it is a new customer their is a chance they knew you existed because of Billy.

You might not like that he is unsafe, don't hire him as your employee. And like you said don't watch the show, but I think it is unfair to say he is causing damage to our image without any proof to back up that claim. You wouldn't want someone going around saying you are damaging the image of our profession because you do more than just wildlife work.

Well Billy is now in the get busted for drugs club of celebrities according to TMZ. He does a whole lot for our image Krausen

lol

http://www.allvoices.com/news/5597771-billy-the-exterminator-star-busted-for-roaches

Come on Robb. Your gonna try to tell me Billy getting busted for dope is gonna prevent your phone from ringing? If Billy is smoking then he should get busted and whatever the punishment is for that in Louisiana should be enforced. But Billy getting busted will have no effect on your business and I am confident not one of your customers is going to start to think that because Billy got busted you must smoke also. Now if it was an employee of yours who got busted well then that changes things.

The reality of it is that dope is a very popular drug and I am sure every person knows at least one who does smoke.I do not see how Billy getting busted has any effect on any of us. Did the United States stop electing Presidents because the other Billy admitted to toking??

Krausen if you are happy with his image and it works for you fine!


I find he has the knowledge of some dirt poor,trap for a can of beer trapper myself and it is now obvious he also works for an entirely other kind of roaches and not just a can of beer. Maybe he can get rid of the rats in the prisons for awhile!

Personally I am offended by his lack of any real knowledge of handling nuisance animal problems and his misuse of his celebrity status and showing the public the wrong way to do things. If he only stuck to insect related problems I would have no problem with him at all.

Well I can assure you I never voted for that dope smoking, I never had sex with Monica Lewinsky idiot and liar either!

At no point did I say I agree with Billy's image. All I said is that Billy has no effect on YOUR image.

As far as his knowledge I do not know the man and will not comment on his knowledge or lack of, but I think I remember someone saying he has a degree of some sorts in wildlife biology or something similar.

I have not seen every episode of his show but I have seen a few and while his tactics are not the norm I do not recall seeing anything he has done that was so out of control and risked the safety of any animal. He risks his own safety constantly and that is "for TV" I am sure. If he wants to wear motorcycle chaps to handle a snake that is up to him. If he wants to spray bees in his T shirt and sun glasses that is his choice.

If a home owner is dumb enough to immitate Billy that is their choice and they were given that choice the minute they signed the mortgage. When they mess it up and call a professional I am sure they will be charged accordingly to fix what they messed up. I have no problem with that either.

I didn't say you did vote for him. I was just using him as a point that Billy and his legal problems will not prevent people from calling a WCO if they need help.

I wonder if the loggers get all upset at watching axe men or if the guys on the oil rigs get upset over that show or the race car drivers get upset over mad house??? These shows are exactly that- TV SHOWS! I think you guys give Billy a lot more stock than is really neccessary.

I don't know if I would go as far as to call him a celebrity. lol

A dope smoking exterminator can now be added to his already many faulted image was my only point.

He has his own TV show so he is a celebrity by the way.

Your right many homeowners will or can get hurt doing what Billy does since he is the expert on TV and maybe their only recourse is to sue Billy and his TV show producers.

So he has a degree in Wildlife Biology that still puts him in entry level and a lot to learn about our industry to ever be any good!

Wouldn't it be nice if our industry had someone knowledgeable and respectable like Bob Villa on "This Old House" but maybe in the end a real expert will hurt our industry anyway and keeping the moron on the boob tube is good for us in the end!

I don't think having a TV show makes you a celebrity. But maybe my time in Los Angeles gives me that impression.

In reality people are stupid. If a home owner watches Billy spray bees in a T shirt and thinks that they won't get stung doing the same thing then maybe they need to get stung. Being stupid is not a license to sue, well maybe it is....that is what is wrong with this Country.

I am pretty sure Billy has said in every episode he has been doing this for 20 years? I don't consider that entry level.

Yes it would be GREAT if we had someone on TV like Bob, but then the show would get cancelled after the first episode because nobody would watch it.

I am a firm believer in taking action. If you don't like Billy then petition his removal from the air or make a show that is better and get rich at the same time.

Maybe it is the age difference. Being younger than most (32) maybe I don't see Billy as the threat the older gentlemen do.

I guess it don't matter. You think Billy is going to ruin your image and I think Billy (drug bust or not) makes the phone ring all around the Country.

But we all agree that Billy is a "moron" in one way or another.

(and none of this has anything to do with "per animal charge" ) LOL

I agree, ever since "billy the exterminator" aired my business here in north louisiana has probably double, so it don't matter to me what or how he does things as long as my phone is ringing.

and that was billy's brother ricky who was busted if that really makes any difference

For Robb and my conversation it makes a world of difference. But other than that, not really.

Ricky is such a small part of the show it wasn't even worth making it news. lol

What I find more amazing than Billy is that fact that krausen gets it and all you more experienced guys don't.

Do you seriously think that people will stop watching because Billy got busted. Heck no, more will watch. He's got something like 19 shows recorded for this year.

I can just see the network lawyers at the trial; "Your Honor, you watched Billy on television. Can you think of anyone that needs medicinal marijuana more than our client?"
Judge; "No I can't. Case dismissed."

Robb said something interesting also about experts letting you down. There was a guy in our business that I had a lot of respect for. He is now in the slammer as a sex offender. Talk about a let-down!

Yeah NWCOA had a CWCP in Indiana or Illinois in the slammer as a sex offender too! They were supposed to strip away his certification and not sure if that ever happened.

Billy has 20 years of experiencing of what doing it all wrong. Glad he helps your business!

Krausen getting back on topic I agree with what you posted on wpn.

"Especially in the tough economy people will do almost anything to save money. if you are goin to bill per animal you will run into people trying to release their own catches to save a few bucks. If you charge per job you will still have people releasing your caught animals but it will more than likely be a neighbor or some kids."

I gave up on per animal charges years ago!

Here is the problem with Billy's Show. None of us know what techniques he used before TV came along. As far as any of us know REXCON came into existance for TV. The black and leather and studs could all of been the work of the producers.

I use per animal charges a lot. I only use set prices for certain jobs.

I have taken many safeguards that I have learned the hard way. When I first got started I didn't have this great resource. Everything was trial and error.

I had traps stolen that weren't part of contract and I had to eat the cost. Learned to make sure customer knew and signed that THEY are responsible for the safety of my equipment. I learned the hard way at catches being released. Going to location and seeing cage empty but bait has been eaten. And land owner saying "thats strange" what is strange now is the look when I tell them a tampered trap counts as a catch.

I got started doing nuisance wildlife removal as a kid with a single cage trap and a neighborhood full of grateful gardeners. lol

Then when I worked for the cable company I saw how much damage squirrels do to a home and at the time more importantly to me (a cable line). So I started removing squirrels for our cable customers. Got a start again in Colorado doing coyote control for ranchers, but that didn't count since I never charged.

Then when I moved back to Wisconsin I took it up again part time around my full time job. I am a new guy in this business, but not a knew guy to business.

billy doing it wrong is part of what makes it a good show,
Its funny!! I think most people know he does things a bit
off. Even if he did get busted, He looks like a pot head in the
first place.
Jim Carry acts like an idiot on t.v. and its great entertainment
My kids like to watch him, to see whats going to mess him up
on every show. They loved it when he got sprayed by the skunk.

Robb, we're actually talking about the same guy. That whole thing affected a lot of us personally. I'd just like to throw this out for everyone, it seems none of these criminal acts were done while sobor. Something to think about.

Nathan, once again you've nailed it! I'm guessing that this year Billy will make more money than Obama and they've just posted his earnings. When you get a producer, director, and camera crew involved in your business, change is inevitable. Who wouldn't enjoy interviewing Billy and find out how much of this real and how much is Hollywood.

We've already had more fun with this topic than I ever thought possible. If you're having a good 2010 it's because of you. not Billy. And if not, that's not Billy's fault either.

Yes any thread with Billy in it is a good time. he brings out emotion in a lot of the guys on here.

Did Billy do something wrong on an episode that I missed...?

Well it was mentioned that Billy was busted with a different type of roach but then clarification came in that it was actually his brother Ricky who has a history of drug abuse.

You are now up to speed on the adventures of Billy