one other thing is why would you talk about your customer's investment like that on camera , sit down and think for a minute about what you said in that vid !

http://youtu.be/-JaVvBQc9JI

^^^ Just for you Pesky



Unreal isnt it. Sometimes your better off to keep your mouth shut and in this case the camera off.

I think people are thinking I was just going to climb up it as it set ,I should have set up the other ladder next to it , I don't climb up it from the tire , I clime on it where it hits the roof on the garage , I use two ladders , I know the ladder would hold me but don't wish to bend or weaken my good ladder , i wasn't even wanting to show that any way I was showing off my hooks and foam I like . I know when I got my first hook ladder it was a whole new world , I was thinking there could be some guys out there that dint know about the hooks , but I geuss you can only talk about that stuff at seminars or something judging by the response . I fell off the roof last summer and it wasn't good , it was two weeks before I could even try to walk , six weeks till I could climb on a house and that was one legged , I was lucky the way I see it ? . I try to write something on here people make fun of me so then I post a video I get yelled at saying I don't belong on any job holy smokes , I guess posting on here is reserved for the prefect people in the world

try telling that to the OSHA inspector.

WTH??? i wanted to watch the video and now its invite only?????? i thought we were all brothers from another mothers?

Funny guy.

Pesky's setup is one used millions of times each year across the country. Is it safe? Yes, if done with a second ladder which he should have mentioned. Is it osha compliant? I don't really know. Was Pesky running any risk of an osha inspection and fine? Absolutely not. Is he sorry he posted that video here? I expect so. But it is a good learning experience on ladder safety and posting videos here.

It can't hurt to shoot for bullet proof status when it comes to safety.

well said SGS,

This is actually one case where pesky volunteering his video created some discussion that I as one who just invested in hooks and a serious harness was interested in. So I will thank pesky for throwing himself into this one because for me you folks confirmed some things and an important discussion about safety is being had here.

From here could go on further and go away from what is wrong with his setup and instead lets see other folks doing it the way it can be done or sharing the equipment they bought like nic and dave shared.

My current roof needs are in one area of the state, otherwise everything is nice and flat for the most part and I am a bit spoiled.
Now I'm up on metal roofing with serious pitches and can see why so many guys opt for the lift and build it into the bid. I would still
have to get on the roof physically in places, but the back of the place I'm working on now I've decided to let the ground harden a bit and do
a lift rental versus risking my neck (the only neck employed and bringing in income in my little company).

So how about it, Bud had a good suggestion on the OSHA course. Last year I was trying to find a good rope access course that covered multiple
topics from roof rigging to other types of harness and rope work including rappelling and others. Ended up running out of time before company
launched, but am still looking into those types.

I took a rock climbing course professionally last year and it was worth the money in knowing how to make anchor points, be correctly tied in
and have redundant anchor systems. Still isn't totally applicable to roof work but the concepts in safety are very similar, other than in climbing you know you will fall often daily and hourly but you want to know your anchor is "bomber" as they say.

So lets move on and keep this going but in a productive way.

Justin

I can't believe that Pesky has serious falls off ladders too. ( Pesky, I've fallen enough so that my ladders were taken away. I have this really cool but very empty ladder rack on my van. )

Thanks for sharing, Pesky. It is great that people are learning and using the post in a productive manner. Remember the rules....no flaming...

Dave, I for one, am inflamable.

wanna bet? all it takes is a phone call.

Look at it logically Bud. With over 100 million work sites in the country, OSHA'S inspection priorities put calls from little old ladies rather low on the list. Add to that the fact that the inspectors would have to schedule an inspection, they're not sitting around waiting for a call. On top of that, add the fact that Pesky was probably gone within an hour and I repeat, he was in no danger of an OSHA inspection or fine.

I've seen that ladder setup so often that I'm not sure osha even has a problem with it.

Sqs, please review the fall protection standard for construction...and the defintion of a steep roof.

osha.gov/doc/outreachtraining/htmlfiles/subpartm.html

Reviewed as requested but I didn't find anything concerning Pesky's ladder setup.

Am I just missing it?

I've seen OSHA come out on construction jobs. One time I caused the visit because the inspector saw me on the skyline walking a 2x8 carrying a sheet of plywood, from the interstate. Said I needed to be tied off to something, there was nothing there except the rickety scaffold I was building. Inspectors used that and other instances as "teachable moments." I have never seen or heard of fines, unless someone was dead or missing a major body part. (I have heard that they are worse up north, where everything is unionized). Alot of OSHA regulations are downright silly, wearing a hardhat so a 3,000 pound piece of steel doesn't give you a boo-boo on your head while it crushes you, for instance.

You really cant regulate safety, it's something people have to learn to prioritize on their own. Some people are smart, some bold, some just need more experience to scare the bold into smart. Some will never learn. Darwin had a theory about that.

Be careful out there.

Sqs, you need to use a fall protection harness....in addition to the ladder hook set up. On the ladder set up, you have to follow the labels on the side of the ladder.

Tattle tail,,,,,,,,,,,lol


OSHA has not authority over Pesky concerning fall protection ,,,,,,,

Thanks Vinke. I've been looking for the regulation concerning osha's authority and finally found this...

link



Looks like you're off the hook Pesky. Unless, of course, there are even more regulations from the nanny state.

Except, there are employees in this example. Kids are employees...although they may be exempt from some employment taxes. The real risk is not the cost of the OSHA fine....it is the injury. Has anyone found tools to make that job safer? Be safe out there!

What the heck is OSHA? Operators Shouldn't Handle Animals?