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Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: HD_Wildlife] #3812631
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Originally Posted By: HD_Wildlife
Realize it isn't the sidebar anyone is looking for here, but I would avoid the feral hog discussion


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Hogs are such prolific breeders that just shooting or trapping a few won't do much good. It's about like stomping a roach on the kitchen floor and expecting it to make a difference. - Rod Pinkston


I agree with you Justin. {just through a different pair of eyes my friend.} What really makes these Govt guys any better. Look at our own talent before you sell out a very successful private entity . And considering your background and documented expertise New Mexico would benefit by making you their hog czar and get back control of their own feral swine problem.

If POTUS really wanted to get rid of feral swine in the USA he should appoint Rod Pinkston his hog czar. . I am certain if the government gave this private business JagerPro the same federal funds the money would be better spent . What is so wrong with saying a private wildlife control company does the job better. I am told many WS trappers have considered themselves feral swine experts after watching his JagerPro videos and DVD's. lol



Example: http://www.grandviewoutdoors.com/predato...-kill-wild-hogs

USDA WS has never made any difference when it comes to feral hogs. Unless they intend to fly machine gun mounted helicopters and disclose real body counts why waste the tax dollars on a federal agency that can't even account for the tax funds they are receiving from the American people now.


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Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: HD_Wildlife] #3812678
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Originally Posted By: HD_Wildlife
Realize it isn't the sidebar anyone is looking for here, but I would avoid the feral hog discussion, more funding and coordination are the only things that will eliminate feral hog populations and anyone including the govt. doing so must have both to make something happen. States like FL and CA where policies confound the work being done including in CA selling GAME TAGS for hogs will make eradication impossible for anyone.

In NM a multi agency task force is having a very positive effect and changing the tide in feral hog population spread. Will this be the same everywhere? Nope,
but I would hesitate to throw stones in the direction of invasive species, they are better at it and it used to be my job to plan and coordinate it.

They (USDA) can't overthrow private landowners and others who harbor and spread hogs which is the real problem with feral animals of any kind, it is not possible to kill off a population of invasive species, or reduce disease issues, etc... without landowner support, because we do not live in a country where you can just usurp the private landowner for such things at this time. (Though this is done with invasive weeds in the western U.S.)

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The rest of the discussion is interesting and entertaining and also telling of the separation within the "industry" being represented by various sides here.

I'm not jumping in on this discussion for any reason other than to say I would avoid the feral hog or invasive discussion. Until a bunch of private guys form an entity of size and scope to do statewide or regional feral hog programs with landowner and interagency support, this one is best left alone.

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Again, interesting discussion though on everything else!

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This is how they get their hands into new areas. There are companies that can handle these issue if given the chance, you just have to think a little bigger and give the private sector credit. As I said before there is no evidence of them being successful and this is not a new problem they have been dealing with them for decades with no rustles this is just another funding tactic.

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Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2] #3812722
05/23/13 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted By: Wildlife2
USDA set to be investigated in 2013 according to the OIG report.
See appendix E (pg 16)

http://www.usda.gov/oig/webdocs/2013APFinal.pdf

It is vital that everyone contact the OIG and tell them how USDA is effecting you company. All you need to do is send an email, also ask them the current status of the investigation.

Make sure you back your claims up with facts and not anger. Keep it short and to the point. PM me if you would like an example.

Here is their website:

http://www.usda.gov/oig/hotline.htm


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Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2] #3812732
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Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2] #3815592
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Update: Town Reconsiders Geese Cull

After outcry from animal rights proponents, the Town of North Hempstead has backed off its plan to cull up to 600 geeset

http://greatneck.patch.com/groups/editors-picks/p/town-reconsiders-geese-cull_8516f9a4


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Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2] #3816182
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A must read: graduate study on competition between USDA Wildlife Services and WCOs

http://digitalcommons.usu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2431&context=etd


Tim and Robb you were an inspiration. Thank you for your dedication to the industry.
Working everyday to reduce the size of the federal government.
Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2] #3816205
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Tim and Robb you were an inspiration. Thank you for your dedication to the industry.
Working everyday to reduce the size of the federal government.
Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2] #3817001
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Thanks wildlifeus, this study, being only a couple of years old, I found it kind of amazing that I knew practically everyone mentioned, including the author. Some of these guys, that I know, are PHDs and all I am is a CWCP.

Yeah, not only have I seen it but I've met the speaker and think very highly of him.

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2] #3840260
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Tim and Robb you were an inspiration. Thank you for your dedication to the industry.
Working everyday to reduce the size of the federal government.
Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2] #3851656
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Paul,
Isn't this nears you?

USDA gets three contracts to do gull work in Two Rivers WI......

http://www.htrnews.com/article/20130618/...?nclick_check=1


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Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Paul Winkelmann] #3851721
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Originally Posted By: Paul Winkelmann
Thanks wildlifeus, this study, being only a couple of years old, I found it kind of amazing that I knew practically everyone mentioned, including the author. Some of these guys, that I know, are PHDs and all I am is a CWCP.

Yeah, not only have I seen it but I've met the speaker and think very highly of him.

Paul most of the phd's I know can't wipe their own behinds or tie their own shoes. Now a CWCP can do most anything including surviving a ladder fall, twice.

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2] #3851850
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Hey, thanks again, wildlifeus. Two Rivers is not close enough for us to handle but there may be some other Wisconsinites that aren't too happy.

Salys, I can only hope my daughter doesn't earn a PHD. I haven't wiped her for 38 years and I don't want to start again.

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2] #3852746
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Typical government waste?

One million in tax payer money.

http://newmexico.watchdog.org/18432/video-1-million-to-send-hogs-to-heaven/


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Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2] #3852794
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Depends, Paul at this late stage of your life the roles will probably be reversed. blush

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2] #3852822
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Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2] #3853114
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Did you know that USDA Wildlife Services has a contract with ALDOT to do beaver work state wide?

http://www.aphis.usda.gov/wildlife_damag...bama_report.pdf

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Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2] #3853131
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Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2] #3870427
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Why don't they hire someone in the private sector instead of relying on tax payers?

http://www.capitalpress.com/content/SE-wolf-money-070513


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Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: wildlifeus] #3870486
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Originally Posted By: wildlifeus
Did you know that USDA Wildlife Services has a contract with ALDOT to do beaver work state wide?

http://www.aphis.usda.gov/wildlife_damag...bama_report.pdf


And Alabama Power/Energen/Alagasco and Norfolk-Southern.


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Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: wildlifeus] #3870529
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Originally Posted By: wildlifeus
Why don't they hire someone in the private sector instead of relying on tax payers?

http://www.capitalpress.com/content/SE-wolf-money-070513


Urban Rodent Control should consist on getting the rats out of DC.


Interesting and even responsible action would be if they closed down USDA Wildlife Services just like the White House.

Govt is broke and plans to shut down 10 active US Army brigades located in the US and put 80,000 soldiers on the streets unemployed.

We need a stronger military more then federal rat catchers. Just saying!


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