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Re: marten habitat/ where??? [Re: 160user] #320352
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good idea. i trap with me dad, so that gives us 10 combination. our goal this year is to trap 5 marten and then move the rest of the traps to locations where we can focus on fisher. it should help keep us in the woods a bit longer to chase weasel and bobcat.


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Re: marten habitat/ where??? [Re: MartenMan] #320383
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Re: marten habitat/ where??? [Re: ] #320396
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that thing has got to be homemade!


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Re: marten habitat/ where??? [Re: MartenMan] #320452
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 Originally Posted By: MartenMan
that thing has got to be homemade!


Wrong again Grasshopper !

More time in the woods, less time reading about hanging Lunch pails on the trees for Fisher.

Re: marten habitat/ where??? [Re: ] #320470
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you are going to have to save this post. i plan on making you eat your words on the "Lunch pails."


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Re: marten habitat/ where??? [Re: ] #320631
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We only trap 5%-10% of all the available Marten habitat in MN. No public roads or motorized vehicles in lots of it. Very few are willing to go into the Boundary Waters region via dog sled for any length of time to come out with only 5 Marten. It is just not feasible !!

I find the Male Fisher is the most reluctant to climb !



I understand. Thats similar to here although I suspect we trap waaaaaaaaaay less than 10% of the habitat available. But, just because there is habitat does not mean there are marten in it. Also it is important not to trap too close to another trapper. Kinda hard to get a handle on it when we have no real idea of the population structure in the first place. How many trappers do you think are trapping marten in the same area??


Nest boxes. I have the plans and the info on where to locate them. I just need to find the time to do it.


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Re: marten habitat/ where??? [Re: white17] #320983
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You are going to have a hard time convincing me a Marten prefers to live within 200 yds of a road ! We have vitually 100's of square miles of super Marten habitat that will never see a trap or trapper. As Marten are harvested in country the we can access thousand more continue to live and multiply in country no one will ever penetrate.

Last year the MN trapper harvested 2563 males and 1225 females. There were 1171 trappers that caught at least one Marten with an average of 1.8 Marten per trapper. 2917 of those Marten were taken in the 3 counties we refer to as the Arrowhead region near the Boundary Waters Canoe area. This is Country where we are only able to scratch the surface of available habitat as the roads are few and far between. Most of these forest roads are not even available for travel after the first couple of snowfalls. This leaves a bunch of trappers trapping off the same County roads ! The majority of MN Marten trappers are exploiting this same country so it is likely you will see another trapper.

Re: marten habitat/ where??? [Re: ] #321080
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 Originally Posted By: 2poor
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You are going to have a hard time convincing me a Marten prefers to live within 200 yds of a road ! We have vitually 100's of square miles of super Marten habitat that will never see a trap or trapper. As Marten are harvested in country the we can access thousand more continue to live and multiply in country no one will ever penetrate.

Last year the MN trapper harvested 2563 males and 1225 females. There were 1171 trappers that caught at least one Marten with an average of 1.8 Marten per trapper. 2917 of those Marten were taken in the 3 counties we refer to as the Arrowhead region near the Boundary Waters Canoe area. This is Country where we are only able to scratch the surface of available habitat as the roads are few and far between. Most of these forest roads are not even available for travel after the first couple of snowfalls. This leaves a bunch of trappers trapping off the same County roads ! The majority of MN Marten trappers are exploiting this same country so it is likely you will see another trapper.



I don't think I said anything about them prefering to live near a road. Although, I don't think they would give a hoot about a road in the area. They aren't real sophisticated animals. They readily live around people if food is available. They will even take food from your hand.

As far as "having 100s of miles that will never see a trap" thats good. The same is true here on a much larger scale. There are folks here with traplines as long as Minnesota is wide. But that's not my point. As you indicate, it's not unusual to see another trapper in the woods. My point is that marten can easily be hurt if too much pressure is put on a given population. YOU may only take five, but how many OTHER guys are also taking five out of the same area ?

I just think we all need to be careful with wildlife populations that are easily trapped.........except for possums. Thats one of the reasons I prefer pole sets (which is what my original question addressed). Because I believe that you can reduce the incidence of female takings by using a pole set. Females aren't as aggressive as a male and may not be willing to climb the pole to investigate your set. That's a good thing IMO.

Re: marten habitat/ where??? [Re: ] #321084
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is the marten population here in minnesota:
growing?
expanding area?
or are there just more trappers in the woods?

at the MTA convention, the DNR furbearer specialists reasoning behind the shortened season was that the marten population could not sustain a harvest of 3788 marten per year.

2poor, it sounds to me like you think the arrowhead area could support continued trapping. do you believe the DNR, by reducing the season length, is primarily trying to protect other counties in minnesota where the marten are trying to expand and grow ?


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Re: marten habitat/ where??? [Re: white17] #321108
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How long is your season ?

What is your limit ?

How often are you checking traps ?

I suspect we do things quite different here !


Any time Marten are taken out of terrific habitat more Marten will eventually move in. My point is Marten from the country that is never touched are free to disperse into this now available habitat.
Your statement was just because there was habitat that did not mean there were Marten living there. Just where do the Marten live if not in good Marten habitat ?

Keep in mind we also must combine our limit with Fisher. Two Marten and three Fisher for instance. Marten are no friend of the Fisher I assure you. A fisher being much more aggresive and not real tolerable of Marten, or fussy about what he eats, a Marten would be a sufficent meal ! Kill a big Fisher and I believe I saved at least one litter of Marten !
Sure we exploit the area we can get to !! Put a lot of pressure on that small area we can access. Kill a couple of Marten and make room for a couple more to move in to take advantage of the recently vacated hunting grounds.

In 1995 we harvested 1500 Marten. Jump ahead to 06-07 season and we harvested 3788. Either we our getting dang good at it or the State has done a terrific job managing this fragile species !!

I have spent the last several years trapping Marten with the MN DNR Furbearer Specialist. He talks about charts and graphs and population models. The state does a very good job of protecting our resource. I believe the Marten are in good hands.

Re: marten habitat/ where??? [Re: ] #321179
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 Originally Posted By: 2poor
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How long is your season ?

What is your limit ?

How often are you checking traps ?

I suspect we do things quite different here !


Any time Marten are taken out of terrific habitat more Marten will eventually move in. My point is Marten from the country that is never touched are free to disperse into this now available habitat.
Your statement was just because there was habitat that did not mean there were Marten living there. Just where do the Marten live if not in good Marten habitat ?

Keep in mind we also must combine our limit with Fisher. Two Marten and three Fisher for instance. Marten are no friend of the Fisher I assure you. A fisher being much more aggresive and not real tolerable of Marten, or fussy about what he eats, a Marten would be a sufficent meal ! Kill a big Fisher and I believe I saved at least one litter of Marten !
Sure we exploit the area we can get to !! Put a lot of pressure on that small area we can access. Kill a couple of Marten and make room for a couple more to move in to take advantage of the recently vacated hunting grounds.

In 1995 we harvested 1500 Marten. Jump ahead to 06-07 season and we harvested 3788. Either we our getting dang good at it or the State has done a terrific job managing this fragile species !!

I have spent the last several years trapping Marten with the MN DNR Furbearer Specialist. He talks about charts and graphs and population models. The state does a very good job of protecting our resource. I believe the Marten are in good hands.



Yep I'm sure things are done differently in different places. Our season runs from Nov.1 through Feb 28 There is no limit in the area I trap. I check traps daily in November and less than that once it gets cool and animals slow their movements.

Well I would answer your question with another. How do you know it's "good" habitat ? Just because it looks good to us, doesn't mean it is. I know areas that produce no marten at all for many miles. Others produce hundreds per year. The areas look exactly the same to a human but obviously not to a marten. As far as in-migration, how far do you think marten will move in a given time period?

Yes I can see where removing a fisher would save a marten litter. That's good considering how small those litters are. I would think the state would encourage the taking of more fisher if they want to increase the marten. We have the same problem with foxes, wolves and wolverines eating marten kits.

I think there is another obvious answer to why the marten harvest in your area has more than doubled. More trappers in the country.

I'm sure your DNR folks are monitoring the situation. It just seems better to me to do everything possible to reduce female catches. Especially when you are using conibear type traps. It's nice to be able to release females. Of course that probably wouldn't make a difference in your area unless all trappers agreed to release them.

Re: marten habitat/ where??? [Re: MartenMan] #321196
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 Originally Posted By: MartenMan
brucet, do you use any scent at your marten sets? what do you believe is the reason you catch more on the ground as opposed to pole sets?

Yep I use scent.Love to use visual attractors but those were outlawed this year.Some marten don't care to climb trees.Alot of fisher also don't care to climb.Easier to catch them on the ground.Its good to see some people actually know about fisher being easer to trap on the ground and some refuse to go up the trees.


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Re: marten habitat/ where??? [Re: ] #321201
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 Originally Posted By: 2poor
After trapping them for more then a couple years, I believe they spend the majority of there time hunting on the ground. I also believe that they are an efficent enough hunter to survive with out my meager offering of food. They may not even be hungry when they investigate my set ! Curious is much more likely !

The easier I make it for the animal to work the set the more likely he is to do it. I have seen many refusals by both the Marten and the Fisher when I started to pursue them. Most were when I forced the animal to work, to get to the box.

In other words climb a tree in order to eat at Mc Donalds !

I got thrown off one website and just quit another for saying those same very words.Was told I was stupid,making up stories,didn't know what I was talking about.I really do like this website.


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Re: marten habitat/ where??? [Re: Bruce T] #321440
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Not gonna catch Fisher like this with a 160 and a leaning pole !

Re: marten habitat/ where??? [Re: ] #321540
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holy crap 2poor that is huge how much did it way

Re: marten habitat/ where??? [Re: mntrapperboy] #321692
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I don't know for sure? Fetched $100 though !

Re: marten habitat/ where??? [Re: ] #321868
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thats not a fisher, thats a bear cub. your not sapose to trap those!

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Im with martenman on that! That thing is huge!



Re: marten habitat/ where??? [Re: hunter82] #322000
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That is a big one for sure. I don't know about the 160 but I'll bet you could catch him on a pole. How did you catch him?


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Re: marten habitat/ where??? [Re: white17] #322048
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i hear his wife caught that fisher with a 155 Northwoods conibear on a leaning pole set. she likes to get her traps up off the ground a bit.


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