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Re: Recently completed Stealth Bird Netting Project [Re: Bob Jameson] #3224314
07/12/12 11:09 PM
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But Mr Woodpecker said..........


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Re: Recently completed Stealth Bird Netting Project [Re: Bob Jameson] #3224334
07/12/12 11:18 PM
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I would not have jumped on this topic....but I would feel bad if someone started or continued to wack woodie without following the process. It is just a matter of getting the paperwork.

Re: Recently completed Stealth Bird Netting Project [Re: ] #3224527
07/13/12 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted By: DaveK
I would not have jumped on this topic....but I would feel bad if someone started or continued to wack woodie without following the process. It is just a matter of getting the paperwork.


Dave I kind of started this odessy (hope Bob J dosent feel like his thread got hijacked). I coudnt agree more, when i first read Pesky's post about no permits being needed, I was shocked that an experienced "proffesional" was ignorant to the permitting process. So I questioned the post to attempt to bring the facts out so others would not be misinfomred. Unfortunately for Pesky it seems that no matter how many folks post links to facts or legilature about permitting he is so deeply buried in ignorant bliss that he refuses to see the truth and allow this oversight to be a learning experience for himself.


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Re: Recently completed Stealth Bird Netting Project [Re: Bob Jameson] #3224651
07/13/12 10:16 AM
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Well, this industry is very diverse in the types of services that are covered...and the depth of knowledge required. This is why there is a need for mandatory training. There is a lot to this business...it is a simple fact. You have overlapping regulations (not only covering birds)....but pesticides, wildlife control, and building trades. Making a mistake does not mean that one is ignorant...but a word of caution would be that continuing, after becoming informed, does makes the behavior willful. That is the interesting part about learning on trapper man! Let's keep learning in a constructive manner.

Re: Recently completed Stealth Bird Netting Project [Re: Bob Jameson] #3225481
07/13/12 09:54 PM
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I did not use the word ignorant in an insulting way, but rather true to its definition:

ig·no·rant

Adjective:

1.Lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated
2.Lacking knowledge, information, or awareness about something in particular

Pesky was lacking knowledge, and there is nothing wrong with that, but battling so vigorously in the face of fact is not endearing to anyones peers.


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Re: Recently completed Stealth Bird Netting Project [Re: Bob Jameson] #3225592
07/13/12 11:23 PM
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Understood, Chris. We are all ignorant of many things; however, being wilfully ignorant of regulations affecting one's industry is essentially inexcusable.


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Re: Recently completed Stealth Bird Netting Project [Re: Bob Jameson] #3280997
08/19/12 12:20 PM
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Just wanted to circle back and see if this was resolved. Did Pesky come to the understanding that wacking wood peckers is illegal? Or, did anyone find some loophole that the rest of us missed?

Re: Recently completed Stealth Bird Netting Project [Re: Bob Jameson] #3280999
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I dare say that pesky will not comment on his defeat.


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Re: Recently completed Stealth Bird Netting Project [Re: Bob Jameson] #3281145
08/19/12 02:59 PM
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And to think that as a child I thought that WOODY WOODPECKER was a hero. Oh, how times have changed.

Re: Recently completed Stealth Bird Netting Project [Re: Bob Jameson] #3281384
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I was not sure if anyone received a letter of intrepretation from Fish and Wildlife to back up Ryan's practices. It would be something many of us would like to have on file. I do not do any woodpecker work...too much paperwork. But, hey....if there is a loophole the work might be interesting.

Re: Recently completed Stealth Bird Netting Project [Re: Bob Jameson] #3281604
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I do know we have to jump thru hoops here to do any lethal means control on them.

Re: Recently completed Stealth Bird Netting Project [Re: Bob Jameson] #3283536
08/20/12 11:30 PM
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Hey, Bob, great photos and info. at top of this thread!
Two questions:
Are the CB galleries in live wood? I've never seen that!
I use Apicide dust and Tempo dust for CB's; How do you use a liquid for them?


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Re: Recently completed Stealth Bird Netting Project [Re: Bob Jameson] #3283748
08/21/12 07:30 AM
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The piece of log is a cutout from a cedar log I got from a buddy in Kansas a few years ago. He was cutting some wood and split it just right and the gallery must have been a weak spot and split right down the gallery line.I am not sure of all the details, if it was a cut seasoned log sitting/lying around the farm or wether it was infested while growing. That is a good question.I am inclined to believe it was a cut log or firewood chunk leaning or lying against an area of attraction or opportunity for the bees. So much for cedar being an insect repellent type of wood.

Dusts are a very effective material for any bees due to the transfer effect that the bees do for you, particularly colony bees and hornets.However they require individual gallery treatment. If not a large number of holes and not real high to reach, that is a good method.

Carpenter Bees usually cover a large perimeter area for many of our jobs so individual hole treatment would be very labor and time intensive. We use Demand CS a liquid insecticide mixed with water for delivery.We applicate with a B&G pressure tank applicator or you can use a garden sprayer to keep your equipment costs down. Treat the holes and the surface areas on the face, back side and under sides of the effective areas typically soffit face bottoms and just behind the bottom inside lips of the facia.

Very effective and preventive maintenance for these types of wood destroying insects.

Re: Recently completed Stealth Bird Netting Project [Re: Bob Jameson] #3284141
08/21/12 12:57 PM
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Good educational post Bob and everything that follows was educational and entertaining. I hope Pesky has quit whacking woodpeckers without a permit or he could end up somewhere where he won't have a woodpecker to whack and his family will be missing him. I appreciate Bill Murray going to extremes to get the gopher and Pesky's logical solution to a problem eliminate it... choot it. I feel the same way many times but whether we agree with them or not we have to follow the law. The migratory bird act is not a Kentucky law or a Michigan law it is an international law that our country has entered into.
If Pesky can get access to a computer I think his prison videos will be extra funny;-).


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Re: Recently completed Stealth Bird Netting Project [Re: Bob Jameson] #3289593
08/24/12 09:12 PM
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So is Demand CS a pyrethroid with residual effect like Cynoff (cypermethrin)? I guess it keeps the CB's from doing any more damage, but doesn't kill any, right?


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Re: Recently completed Stealth Bird Netting Project [Re: Bob Jameson] #3289791
08/24/12 10:54 PM
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man do i miss doing bird jobs

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