Re: do canine traps have to be waxed?
[Re: Latrans]
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From your description and different experiences between the both of you, one may almost conclude that your partner's wax was contaminated, because of his success and ability to catch coyotes with unwaxed traps in the past.
In your case, there may be a high probability that if you are a relatively inexperienced coyote trapper, that you are using too much lure at your sets. Just a thought for your consideration if in fact you may think that might be true. You really do not need much lure this time of year at any canine set.
You asked, "Do they need to be waxed?" "Yes" for some trappers; and "No" for others! The Yes/No quotient comparison mentioned between you and your friend certainly makes one wonder about the math in that equation. What do you think?
I traditionally have dyed and waxed all of my coil springs and long springs for land and water sets for 55 years. That is what I was taught as a kid. It works, and I continue to use that combination out of habit. I personally cannot speak to using unwaxed canine traps from experience because I have never done it.
Your post very well may draw out opinions from those who do not use either conventional dyes, or wax, but use a commercial "dip" for canine traps instead.
Keep an open mind with the flood of responses this thread might awaken.
Jonathan
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Re: do canine traps have to be waxed?
[Re: DaveM]
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The use of wax or not using wax is not your problem with too many walk-bys. As has been stated already, using too much lure is probably the #1 culprit in set avoidance followed by excessive human scent and odd foreign odors tracked off one footwear, human tracks left in sand or snow, etc, unnatural appearing sets or a combination of all four together being too suspicious for a naturally wary coyote. As for the wax, I prefer to wax traps as it keeps them from rusting for a longer period, makes traps easier to clean up after a catch and makes them spring quicker. It has nothing to do with set acceptance or avoidance. I have harvested thousands of coyotes with waxed traps and thousands with just dyed traps and could never see any difference in acceptance,, avoidance or digging at the trap. Ace
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Re: do canine traps have to be waxed?
[Re: wiggler]
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Re: do canine traps have to be waxed?
[Re: Asa Lenon]
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11/02/07 07:36 PM
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I wax all my coilsprings. I agree that it makes them spring faster, cleanup better after a catch, and don't rust during use as fast. I have tried just dying them with logwood dye, but notice that they develop surface rust just hanging in the fur shed......
Hope it helps, can't hurt. "I reject your reality, and substitue my own." Adam Savage, Myth Buster.
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Re: do canine traps have to be waxed?
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Most of the big number coyote men i know DON'T wax traps. Wax or don't wax don't mean squat, what does matter though is, did he use dirty wax?
A skunked up trap will ruin a whole batch of wax, been there, done that! I quit waxing 20 years ago or more. If the wax he dipped with was clean he's doing something else to cause them to avoid the set, over luring probably.
Id tell him to just leave the sets be and stay as far away as possible from them when checking, if things don't change in a week then his traps have something on them the coyotes don't like.
Wax is a sponge for forein odors by the way, it picks up anything that touch's it, why I don't fool with it anymore.
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Re: do canine traps have to be waxed?
[Re: Jtrapper]
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11/02/07 08:24 PM
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I am not a big numbers man but I have caught more coyotes than everyone else in my county, put together. I am in VA. I don't wax, (entirely personal descision).
If I baited and lured with your recipe, I would expect a coyote catch by late december, and thats only if I didn't catch fifteen other critters first. Given your location I would say wait until a nice cold night, you will do OK. In the future, ease up on the quantity of bait and lure, the luremakers reccomendations are put on the bottle by luremakers, get it? Get some possums, and you will learn how much lure to put out, real quick.
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Re: do canine traps have to be waxed?
[Re: Don Adams]
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11/02/07 09:06 PM
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J Trapper wrote... If the wax he dipped with was clean he's doing something else to cause them to avoid the set, over luring probably. Id tell him to just leave the sets be and stay as far away as possible from them when checking, if things don't change in a week then his traps have something on them the coyotes don't like.
Good advice, stay away from those sets, no adding or changing lure or bait, no fussing, just stay away. I'll bet you'll nail some coyotes within a few days. Good luck! Ace
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Re: do canine traps have to be waxed?
[Re: Asa Lenon]
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tobias, i get close enough i can tell if anything is wrong with the set or not, i just don't walk right UP to the set and then stare at it for a period of time as ive seen some guys do.
Lots of my sets are checked from the window of the truck though, just drive on by them without having to get out.
Wiggler, don't give up. Coyotes have gave all of us who have chased after them fits in our lives, things will start to click for you when you least expect it.
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Re: do canine traps have to be waxed?
[Re: Jtrapper]
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J Trapper is right again, just hang in there Wiggler and you'll soon start producing. I've met you in person and know your an intelligent guy and obviously you have put forth a lot of study and effort at doing things right. I've seen a lot of half measures that still produced some coyotes so I don't believe you are the exception. Good luck! Ace
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Re: do canine traps have to be waxed?
[Re: Geezerman]
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ok just so you guys dont think im a total wee-todd, here is the morning catch. funny thing about the fox was it was dead when i got to it. after skinning it, i found out it had been killed bye a coyote or another fox. bite marks all over its back and head. but at least i know i can still catch fox and coon. i had 5 set on a little 60 square yard pond, and caught 4 coons there. i think i caught the whole family. couple of'em were really big!
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Re: do canine traps have to be waxed?
[Re: wiggler]
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Coyotes bad about killing fox in traps, least yours wasn't tore to smitherine's like mine usually are. Remake set where you caught that red should have a coyote in it within a few days if not tomorrow, maybe you'll catch the guilty party.
Asa, this has to be a new record for you agreeing with me, lol.
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Re: do canine traps have to be waxed?
[Re: Jtrapper]
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Like was said , wait them out . Yotes are not like fox as they cover a lot larger area . It will sometimes take them a week to wonder by again . Less lure is a better approach then more . They will sometimes work a set a month or more after I pull them here .
I have used traps waxed and dyed , waxed only , dyed only and cold dipped . All will work once the right combonation of factors click AND the coyote is of a mind to work the set . Sometimes they have something already in mind when they are traveling by your set .
Drifter
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Re: do canine traps have to be waxed?
[Re: wiggler]
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11/03/07 06:11 PM
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Could just as well have been someones hound. I had a grey fox killed by a friends hound, he fessed up to it a few days later...LOL. ok just so you guys dont think im a total wee-todd, here is the morning catch. funny thing about the fox was it was dead when i got to it. after skinning it, i found out it had been killed bye a coyote or another fox. bite marks all over its back and head. but at least i know i can still catch fox and coon. i had 5 set on a little 60 square yard pond, and caught 4 coons there. i think i caught the whole family. couple of'em were really big!
Hope it helps, can't hurt. "I reject your reality, and substitue my own." Adam Savage, Myth Buster.
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