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Re: Beaver Boarding Tutorial (hvy picture) [Re: The Beav] #4893018
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Thats 16 minutes to cleanskin...its a wash.
Originally Posted By: The Beav
But If you learn to rough skin and flesh on a beam you don't have to go back and spend 5 min cleaning up.

I have tried and tried to get clean skinning down but It's not going to happen. 6 Min to rough skin and 10 min to scrape clean with my Necker.
But It took me awhile to get to that point.

I think most guys struggle because of how they position the hide on the beam.


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Re: Beaver Boarding Tutorial (hvy picture) [Re: trapper ron] #4893048
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I know guys that clean skin beaver in 6 minutes.One guy starts on one side and skins all the way around to the other side til the skin is off.
I couldn't get the hang of that.

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Re: Beaver Boarding Tutorial (hvy picture) [Re: trapper ron] #4893055
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I'me not one of them,but I've did 5 in an hour quite a few times,and theyer werent lean gristle backs that wreck your time average.If I concentrate,my knives and sharpening protcols are tuned right up from practise,I'me never faster than right at the end of season.


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Re: Beaver Boarding Tutorial (hvy picture) [Re: trapper ron] #4893064
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I'm about the same Les.5 an hour is a decent pace for clean skinning,and I rarely put up pelts the same day as skinning.

Re: Beaver Boarding Tutorial (hvy picture) [Re: trapper ron] #4893068
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How long can they keep It up?

I would venture to say that a average clean skinner Is going to be at It for 30 min or so. IT's not a wash If you have to clean up after your done clean skinning.

I would venture to say that I could take just about any trapper with some knowledge of fur put up and have him or her rough skinning and beam scraping a beaver with a little practice In about 30 min. It's all about technique same with clean skinning.


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Re: Beaver Boarding Tutorial (hvy picture) [Re: trapper ron] #4893099
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A good friend did more than 50 beaver in a little over 8 hours,overnight, clean skinned, and boarded,His wife took sick and was rushed to hospital air ambulance and he had all those beaver thawed for processing the next couple days,so he had no choice but to do them all up before he did the 5 hour drive to the hospital.
He had about 70 beaver out,and a couple of other trappers skinned and put those remaining up for him.
I have clean skinned 30 beaver in a 8 hour day with a couple coffee breaks.

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Re: Beaver Boarding Tutorial (hvy picture) [Re: trapper ron] #4893107
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How fast are you Boco? Your friend Is the exception to the rule.

I bet I could even teach you how to scrape beaver with a Necker LOL


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Re: Beaver Boarding Tutorial (hvy picture) [Re: trapper ron] #4893125
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I do about 25 minutes from skinning to finished on the board unless I am frost scraping then I can go quite a bit faster if everything is added up and divided,cause like I said I rarely skin and board at the same time.Frost scraped pelts dry in a day and a half when frost scraped so you can free up your boards a lot quicker too.
If I am rough clean skinning for frost scraping I can skin one in about 10 minutes,another 10 minutes to frost scrape,nailing trimming etc.Thats not counting leaving them out to freeze overnight,add 8 hours for that.
Frost scraping is fast,Paul Millette and his wife frost scraped and boarded 80 beaver in 8 hours.
Your a Nafa guy beav,there was a article in the nafa magazine about that in 97.
You don't have to teach me how to do beaver on a beam beav,I already know how to do that.Just not my preferred method because of the inferior finished product.(stressed guard hair,grease in the fur,rough look on the leather)
I have done beaver in all ways,the best looking beaver besides frostscraped are those skinned with a bone.

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Re: Beaver Boarding Tutorial (hvy picture) [Re: trapper ron] #4893295
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I don't know how anyone in their right mind could argue with bocos put up? I guess if you can't anything positive to threads you shouldn't be here. I for one appreciate all the time spent posting to help others figure out what style works for them


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Re: Beaver Boarding Tutorial (hvy picture) [Re: trapper ron] #4893340
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NO one Is putting down Bocos put up It's top of the line work.

It's just that some of us or I should say most of us can't do It like he does It and most of us aren't where we can frost scrape our beaver. So talking about other methods of beaver put up Isn't putting any one down.
I would venture to say that about 90% of all beaver are put up by rough skinning and beam scraping.
Hey Bass10 how do you do your beaver? And I wouldn't put you down no matter how you do your beaver.

MY finished beaver look as good as any showed on here.

Hey Boco I have noticed a lot of false knife marks on some cleaned skinned beaver. Is that going to be down graded?


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Re: Beaver Boarding Tutorial (hvy picture) [Re: The Beav] #4893369
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Some time what appear to be false knife cuts in the pictures are not really false knife cuts. If you go back to my original posting on page one which was intended more to show how to properly board a beaver the really close ups show some fine knife marks. These are fleshed out with the one hand fleshers pictured. A false knife cut has to cut into the leather weakening it in that spot. The finished and dried beaver at the bottom of the photos is right smooth after proper drying with no knife marks shown.

Today I dug out some old photos of bulking beaver after grading which I will scan and post. Feb sale 1986 and we had 80,000 eastern beaver for that sale as well as 240,000 eastern rats. As well I found a few examples of what they should not look like.


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Re: Beaver Boarding Tutorial (hvy picture) [Re: The Beav] #4893385
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[quote=The Beav]NO one Is putting down Bocos put up It's top of the line

MY finished beaver look as good as any showed on here.

my wife is better looking than your wife, my son can beat up your son, my truck is faster than yours.


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Bass10 you didn't answer my question.


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Re: Beaver Boarding Tutorial (hvy picture) [Re: trapper ron] #4893396
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I don't want anyone to get the wrong idea here.There are lots of different ways to skin and process beaver,and any one way is no better than another as long as the finished product is nice.
Everyone has their own way of doing it the way that works best for them.
I have skinned every way there is and not always when I'm trapping can I frost scrape,so I clean skin and scrape like Ron.
At FHA convention every year there are speed skinning and boarding contests for beaver(and other stuff).Some years the clean skinners win and other years the beam guys win it.
The more ways that are shown to trappers the better able they will be to develop their own methods.
I know a couple guys have tried the frost scraping and have seen some advantages for them,and that is great.

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I clean skin because thats the method I was taught when I was in my early 20s,and I live where temps get real cold,and is conducive to frost scraping,which I never heard of before Boco introduced us to it.I'me not saying I wont skin and beam a beaver,I might skin real ,real, fast in the spring of the year sometime,if there is more than 100 beaver lined up over less than a week,and I need to move real fast.I can see how that scenario could happen.I'me positive I could beam a beaver,on the same beam I flesh coon,if I have too.Truth is,3-4 freezers,a cold storage building in the spring,20 beaver a day for 10 days.I could pull that off by starting to clean skin the 10 day old beaver first,until I'me done,barring sickness or death.


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Re: Beaver Boarding Tutorial (hvy picture) [Re: trapper ron] #4893454
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Very good Ron, do you have any tips on keeping the razor scraper clean and making it last longer?


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Re: Beaver Boarding Tutorial (hvy picture) [Re: madtrapper] #4899779
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The razor lasts me about 6 or 8 beaver. I just take it apart, clean it up and reassemble when it gets plugged up. Replace the blade when it gets dull. There was one of our Local trappers that brought an antique razor blade sharpener to one of our workshops. Probably do not make those any longer. I remember my father taking a blade and kind of working it back and forth on the heal of his hand. I do that also and it seems to sharpen it a bit, but not more than once. Also I have a rouge wheel on my grinder (knife sharpening system) and I am going to try that. Quite a bunch of old blades saved up.


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Re: Beaver Boarding Tutorial (hvy picture) [Re: trapper ron] #4899985
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i have not done near what you guys have as i have only trapped beaver for 3 years though i have put up over 150 in those three years. from what i have seen if you are catching beaver from an over populated area a lot of them will have bite marks and scars. those beaver i prefer to clean skin. as mentioned above, by the end of the season i can clean skin a 30lber in 20 minutes. if i am getting "clean" beaver i now prefer to rough skin and scrape. a 30lber rough skinned in 6 to 8 minutes (including castor removal) and another 6 to 8 minutes scraping.

pretty much if i have less then 3 to put up i may enjoy the time clean skinning with a few barley pops. if the fur shed floor is covered with beaver its time to rough skin and get home for supper!


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side note... those plexiglass ice scrapers work great cleaning up spots missed after boarding. just round off the corners with a metal file to eliminate them from cutting the hide.


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