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Re: Axes! [Re: NorthwoodsKid] #6171397
02/26/18 08:30 PM
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Great job on the clean-up, Old Boot. I'm guessing that the electrolysis doesn't remove any metal, just rust? For a ignorant old-timer, would you get into the specifics on your electrolysis bathing system? I'd appreciate it much.

Jack


Re: Axes! [Re: NorthwoodsKid] #6172470
02/27/18 08:07 PM
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Hi Jack, it is rather simple. I will take pics of my set up in the next couple of days and post.

Re: Axes! [Re: NorthwoodsKid] #6173763
02/28/18 11:03 PM
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This is a link to the site that I referred to. I also watched a few YouTube videos. It is very simple. I get some pics of my set up in a couple days


rust removal

Re: Axes! [Re: NorthwoodsKid] #6174067
03/01/18 09:42 AM
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Tui's anyone?

Re: Axes! [Re: NorthwoodsKid] #6176835
03/03/18 08:19 PM
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I’ve got a partial bucket of axes in the trap shed and I think I remember couple marked sager. Anybody here use that brand or know if they are of good quality?

Re: Axes! [Re: NorthwoodsKid] #6176857
03/03/18 08:40 PM
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Sager are very good axes. Made by Warren axe and tool in Warren, Pa. Some are marked Sager Chemical. A Mr. Sager invented a chemical process to make the heads wear longer.


Let a man meet a bear robbed of her cubs rather than a fool and his folly. Proverbs 17:12
Re: Axes! [Re: NorthwoodsKid] #6176869
03/03/18 08:47 PM
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Just reading the current edition of trappers post and in there I found a ad for snow and nealley Hudson bay trapping axe and kindling axe.

They caught my eye. Little pricey but looks very good quality.

Re: Axes! [Re: NorthwoodsKid] #6176901
03/03/18 09:36 PM
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I just looked and one is marked sager and another with chemical axe. I also seen marks from Kelly, Marshall wells,Collins and others. I’ve resisted cleaning them or even looking at them because I collect enough stuff already. This thread is not helping.

Re: Axes! [Re: NorthwoodsKid] #6176994
03/03/18 11:19 PM
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Nothing fancy but I like my little Marbles. Its a constant companion in the truck and nearly as useful as a swiss army knife.



Let's go Brandon

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Re: Axes! [Re: NorthwoodsKid] #6177130
03/04/18 07:16 AM
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Elecrolysis.


There are many good YouTube videos on this and a good site that I posted the link for in a previous post. I ain't no science teacher, so don't be expectin' them types of details.

I used: 5 gallon bucket, 6 rebar stakes, wire, wire nuts, a bolt, eye bolt, piece of wood,and battery charger.



I cut the rebar to length, as I didn't want them above the top of the bucket. Next, I drilled a hole for each of the 6 rebar. This was a couple inches from the top of the bucket. I tried to keep them equidistant, but eyeballed it so it ain't perfect. I used copper wire, since it will be above the water line. To ensure good contact, I wrapped the wire around the rebar 3-4 times. Leaving about 1.5 inch tails that I fed thru the drill holes.




After having wrapped the wire around the rebar and putting the tail thru the hole, I joined them together with wire and wire nuts.



DO NOT join them all together! Leave a gap. I added the bolt to have a good contact.



Notice the gap^^^^^. This is the POSITIVE post.

A scrap piece of wood with eye bolt to suspend the object on and to make a NEGATIVE post.

I use thin metal wire to the object to the eye bolt, as I read that copper can dissolve. It is important to have good contact between the object and wire. You may need to use a wire brush to improve conductivity.



I drilled a small hole about an inch from the eye bolt and pass the wire thru it, then wrap the wire a couple times around the bolt. This hole helps keep the wood from wanting to rotateas the weight is centered.

Next, add water and arm & hammer WASHING soda, not baking soda! This has do with chemistry- blah blah blah.



I put in ~ 4 gallons of water a table spoon of washing soda/gallon.

This is what it looks like running:



Remember the POSITIVE goes to rebar and NEGATIVE to the object!

Not all battery chargers work the same. I was in Lowe's and saw the cheapest one they had for $20 and it believe it work fine. If the charger use works and everything is connected with good conduct, you should know it is working fine in <60 seconds. You will see bubbling, like if you had a glass of sprite.



The rebar acts like a magnet to rust, but pulls in a "straight" line, this is why multiple rebar helps. I rotate the object a bit because my rebar are not equidistant. This process may take several days. Twice a day, I pull the item and it wipe down and put it back in. I put in a vise and it removed the old paint as well. The original paint came off easily with a wire wheel.

When emptying the water, it will be full of rust, etc. The rebar will need a quick wire brushing because rust is attracted to it.

Disclaimer: water and electricity. Make good choices and not hurt yourself or someone else.

Re: Axes! [Re: NorthwoodsKid] #6177155
03/04/18 08:21 AM
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Here is the chopper finished








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Re: Axes! [Re: NorthwoodsKid] #6177159
03/04/18 08:30 AM
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Needed one of those gizmos hooked up to my truck about ten years ago.





Re: Axes! [Re: NorthwoodsKid] #6177332
03/04/18 11:11 AM
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Oneoldboot I am impressed on how well that turned out. I think I am going to give that a try.

Thanks for sharing your process

Re: Axes! [Re: NorthwoodsKid] #6177944
03/04/18 09:16 PM
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Thanks!

One consideration when buying a trapline axe is the abuse it may take. I discovered that I needed a tool that I wouldn't have to worry if I knicked the blade cutting too close to the ground or driving an occasional stake when I forgot my hammer. I know some of the axe purists are about ready to vomit hearing an axe poll striking a metal stake, but it is a rare reality. At the end of the day, an axe is a tool.

Many good USA made axes and hatchets can be found at flea markets and auctions for under $10. It hurts less when touching a rock at this price point than a $60 or $150 one. Another advantage is you can learn how to sharpen and rehandle on the yard sale axe. Generally, I only buy USA made axes that are stamped with the maker on it. I don't buy any from china, india, Mexico or have "warning labels" on them.

I carried a "3/4" (or boys) axe with a 2.5 lb head the first couple seasons, but then switched to a hatchet and it has worked well for me. I think the boys axe, which is ~28" is under appreciated.

Re: Axes! [Re: NorthwoodsKid] #6177975
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I go to a lot of antique shops and I will start giving axes more attention as this thread has sparked my interest.

I want a new tdapline axe but I would also want some for collection purposes.

Thanks again for sharing

Re: Axes! [Re: NorthwoodsKid] #6195108
03/21/18 07:23 PM
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Small work bench. I made this "vise" to sharpen axes. It works well.

Re: Axes! [Re: NorthwoodsKid] #6195112
03/21/18 07:29 PM
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going through the stuff accumilated on the farm since the 1880's and have found bunches.will get a pic in a day or 2 up after i look at names.









Re: Axes! [Re: NorthwoodsKid] #6195222
03/21/18 08:59 PM
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Call me a purist but I cringe at the thought of an axe poll striking anything harder than a wood or plastic glut.

Here's one designed to hammer with that could find a place in my trapping kit.



https://www.hardcorehammers.com/product/super-naturalist/


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Re: Axes! [Re: NorthwoodsKid] #6195233
03/21/18 09:06 PM
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That's a good one warrior...usually those rig axes aren't heavy enough to drive stakes through my soil, and I use a small single bit cruiser "boys ax" for beaver trapping.


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Re: Axes! [Re: NorthwoodsKid] #6195254
03/21/18 09:28 PM
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Carpenter axes with that straight edge aren't really suited for chopping green standing wood. Better for shaping dry wood.


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