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Re: Calves and coyotes??? [Re: silkyplainscoyot] #5491915
04/11/16 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted By: silkyplainscoyot
Here's something to consider as well. A government trapper told me that studies have shown that even having coyotes around pregnant cows increases loss even if they aren't killing. It increases stress on the animals therefore there are more miss carriages and still born calves. He did say the percentage is a small increase but if you run a large heard or consider the amount of cattle in your county you start to see the amount of loss add up.

Also, I trap for a local rancher who has never lost a cow or calf to a coyote killing that he knows of, but said he has lost calves because of coyotes when cows are birthing. He said, when cows are down birthing if the coyote comes through it agitates or stresses the momma causing her to roll on partially exposed calf resulting in a loss because of the coyotes. Says he has witnessed this first hand. So he welcomes me to trap.


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Re: Calves and coyotes??? [Re: trapperkeck] #5492004
04/11/16 02:01 PM
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Doing control work in western states I saw it often in free range birthing. I know they get to the calves as they are being born but it generally looked to me that if more than one was involved they would very quickly tear the udders open as well. I always thought maybe the milk smell had them zero in on that tho there was still plenty of calf to chew on.
I shot one of a pair one time from directly under a cow, tearing at her. She was walking dead anyway.. Jumped in the truck swung wide out a couple pastures and back into the juncture of where the end of the drainage this all started in, dumped in to a bigger nastier drainage. The second coyote did not let me down and loped into site a few minutes later.
I think it was the most gratifying kill I ever had on a coyote.
Osky


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Re: Calves and coyotes??? [Re: Osky] #5492020
04/11/16 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted By: Osky

I think it was the most gratifying kill I ever had on a coyote.
Osky


It was gratifying to read.


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Re: Calves and coyotes??? [Re: Mabey Trapper] #5492284
04/11/16 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted By: Mabey Trapper
Keck i hope you gang set that badgers crater they are incredibly deadly because of all that eye appeal. Sounds like you are having fun though smile

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I now have 3 traps within 20 yards of the hole and set another pee post near another set that was worked last night. I can't believe he didn't step on the trap. I had to dig up the trap to see what happened. Tracks everywhere but on the pan. I thought maybe there was a rock stuck under the pan, but no dice. One lucky yotie dog there. Hope he makes a return appearance tonight! Had a couple more coon plugging traps today and a couple of flipped traps. Not quite sure what's up with that. I, generally, don't have those kinds of problems. Bedded them a bit more carefully today and added a couple of small stones to keep them from stepping on the jaws, so we'll see what happens tomorrow.


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Re: Calves and coyotes??? [Re: trapperkeck] #5492954
04/12/16 12:40 PM
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I hate it when that happens but it happens to everyone if thay admit it or not


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Re: Calves and coyotes??? [Re: trapperkeck] #5492975
04/12/16 01:02 PM
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I've dug up more than a couple to make sure they still worked !

Re: Calves and coyotes??? [Re: trapperkeck] #5493005
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Had one this morning that worked the set wrong. wind was from the wrong way.. Missed him by 2 inchs. Iput a book there for him to read so he would know where to step


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Re: Calves and coyotes??? [Re: trapperkeck] #5493014
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I sometimes see this in snow. It's like they sense a hollow spot right there.
Guys that don't admit it, say we are over thinking it haha.

Plenty of times coon get blamed for messing things up.
I believe that and try to steer away from them. Many locations they are unavoidable. I think that is what adc men mean when they say catch the dog far away from the scene. Not always doable with limited permission.

Ya have us on the edge of our seats now.





Re: Calves and coyotes??? [Re: wayne52] #5493298
04/12/16 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted By: wayne52
Had one this morning that worked the set wrong. wind was from the wrong way.. Missed him by 2 inchs. Iput a book there for him to read so he would know where to step
Hope it wasn't "how to be a smart redneck." I read that and it didn't work.


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Re: Calves and coyotes??? [Re: trapperkeck] #5493331
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It was a little deep for me John


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Re: Calves and coyotes??? [Re: trapperkeck] #5493721
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Hmmmm. Heck, sometimes the funnies in the paper confuse me. Lol.


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Re: Calves and coyotes??? [Re: andy weiser] #5493962
04/13/16 01:45 PM
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[quote=andy weiser]Just when you think they don't bother calves they go to bothering calves. They usually just eat the afterbirth but sometimes its the killing that they like. Look for chew marks on the calfs nose. If no bite marks on the throat or nose then the calf was probably dead from something else before they fed on it. Not always but usually. [/quot


X2 bite marks on the hind legs are more than likely from a dog


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Re: Calves and coyotes??? [Re: trapperkeck] #5494131
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Not necessarily, if calf is new or sick or weak.

Re: Calves and coyotes??? [Re: wayne52] #5494310
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Originally Posted By: wayne52
I Put a book there for him to read so he would know where to step


It might of been better to put a sticky pad note that says "Step Here ---->" • Hope you get your book back. That would really suck if he keeps it.

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Re: Calves and coyotes??? [Re: trapperkeck] #5494321
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She read the book and came back and steped in the right spot last night. She looked real good with a #3 N.H on her finger or wrist as it was


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Re: Calves and coyotes??? [Re: trapperkeck] #5494407
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Can I burrow that book this next season? These coyotes over here are to stupid to know wherethey are supposed to step. LoL!!!

Re: Calves and coyotes??? [Re: trapperkeck] #5497413
04/17/16 12:56 PM
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After catching and releasing what seems like a truckload of coons this past week, one of which I have caught 3 times, I finally whacked my first yote around the calving yard. Caught at a dirthole with Mark June's Songdog Supreme and a small chunk of cow bone in the hole as an attractant. #3 Sleepy Creek 2-coil stock trap anchored with a 16" POGO. I have a crappy pic from my dumb phone, but I'm too dumb to convert it to the proper image type to upload on here. I tried...LOL


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Re: Calves and coyotes??? [Re: trapperkeck] #5497474
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Got a call yesterday morning from fella with about 20 head, said the neighbor seen a coyote yesterday morning harassing a calf. And said some of the cows haven't had thier calves yet, but now thinks maybe they did but lost them to coyotes. Set it yesterday nothing yet but happy to have the work and do some coyote catching


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Re: Calves and coyotes??? [Re: trapperkeck] #5497528
04/17/16 04:43 PM
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Brother of mine is calving out 140 head of first calf heifers, (apparently he likes punishment and no sleep) anyways, with them being on the less than smart momma side of things, he's had a few of the calves gotten at by yotes. Most of the ones he lost were born dead but a couple were alive by the marks in the dirt. Theses heifers came out of a feedlot and he's calving them out for someone else so he's all about minimizing death loss. In six days we took 12 yotes from within 1/2 mile of his calving yards. It's weird this winter there wasn't a yote track within a mile of his place. keep at it keck gotta keep them farmers happy.

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Re: Calves and coyotes??? [Re: trapperkeck] #5497531
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Good work Keck. Glad you got him.

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