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Re: Mud turtle trap Pictoral . How to make net throats [Re: Aix sponsa] #5661517
10/05/16 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted By: Aix sponsa
Originally Posted By: Wolfdog91
Is the crow foot similar to a finger throat ?



I used to think they were two different things, but now I believe they are one and the same.


I also agree with Michael on the twine.
Rodger that ! Bout to order some right now along with some new needles ! It's been about two years now since I last goes some and my trusty 7" needle is getting a bit worn lol !

Re: Mud turtle trap Pictoral . How to make net throats [Re: Wolfdog91] #5661523
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May want to get several. They're cheap, and it's very hard to sew without a shuttle.


I've found that having several with line at a time comes in handy. I'd usually have (2) with #15 twine and (1) with heavier twine for throats and tie offs makes it easier on me. I like sewing with #15 but a lot of people prefer seeing with #9.

Re: Mud turtle trap Pictoral . How to make net throats [Re: Wolfdog91] #5661939
10/06/16 02:07 AM
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The Crows foot throat and a finger throat are the same. I make all my throats and the cage out of #9. I hang my rear throat with a main line of # 12. I also use #12 for the main line going to the 4th hoop. I like #9 because it isn't as heavy as # 15 and also if you use it on the cage part it makes the cage to dark. Be sure to start taking up your mesh once you get to around 6 or full mesh. On my 7th row of full mesh, I start taking up every second mesh, then after I get that done I knit one more row of every second mesh then on the 8th row I start taking up every other mesh. This makes your throats come out pretty small but the nice thing about building the throat the way I build them, they will catch any size fish the enters past the first throat that is hung on the second hoop. The throat looks to small but it will expand easy when a fish enters.
I build my first throat just about the same way but make the throat shorter in length. The throat mainline on the first throat is tied to the 4th hoop. When the first throat is finished it will have a good deal more open type look to it. The idea of this is for the front of the net to look more open and that makes fish enter a lot easier. Once the fish is inside the net between the second a fourth hoop he will automatically start to swim upstream, especially if your net is baited. I prefer cheese bait myself but some folks use cotton seed cake. Cheese will put cotton seed cake to shame when it comes to feeding on the bait sack.
Anytime I catch an eggy fish I will leave her in the net to feed on the Cheese. From the combination of her feeding the cheese bag and having a hormonal fit, it causes your net to load up with catfish.
If your wanting to catch Hyfin, carp or Buffalo, use cotton seed cake, it is the best bait you can get for those particular fish.
I usually use between 5 to 8 pounds of cheese per bait bag.

Re: Mud turtle trap Pictoral . How to make net throats [Re: Wolfdog91] #5662337
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Now that's some awesome info !!!! I actually attempted to make a finger but it didn't turn out as nice as I hoped. Pretty sure it was because I started taking up my meshes told quickly. I'm gonna have to bug my uncle to get me some remesh so I can keep making nets lol !

Re: Mud turtle trap Pictoral . How to make net throats [Re: Wolfdog91] #5662425
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Don,

How does my crowsfoot throats I posted compare to yours?

Re: Mud turtle trap Pictoral . How to make net throats [Re: Wolfdog91] #5662435
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So the trap works ! Not a mud turtle or stink pot but a big old slider ! Kinda surprised he even fit in but after a few pics I let him go.




Went and put one of the big nets in this over grown pond that has a snapper or two in it.

Re: Mud turtle trap Pictoral . How to make net throats [Re: Aix sponsa] #5662632
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Originally Posted By: Aix sponsa
May want to get several. They're cheap, and it's very hard to sew without a shuttle.


I've found that having several with line at a time comes in handy. I'd usually have (2) with #15 twine and (1) with heavier twine for throats and tie offs makes it easier on me. I like sewing with #15 but a lot of people prefer seeing with #9.
got my first order in today . New "7 looms needle ,a pound of #15 tarred and one of them high speed H needles !


Made a new net with a #15 throat and 2X4 wire. It's pretty flimsy but I'll try it lol.

Re: Mud turtle trap Pictoral . How to make net throats [Re: Aix sponsa] #5662889
10/07/16 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted By: Aix sponsa
Don,

How does my crowsfoot throats I posted compare to yours?
Very close looking to mine.

Re: Mud turtle trap Pictoral . How to make net throats [Re: Wolfdog91] #5663552
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Here's some of the nets I made working the sliders over along with some stink pots.



grin

Re: Mud turtle trap Pictoral . How to make net throats [Re: Wolfdog91] #5663553
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Here's some of the nets I made working the sliders over along with some stink pots.



grin



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Re: Mud turtle trap Pictoral . How to make net throats [Re: don Wolf] #5675863
10/21/16 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted By: don Wolf
The Crows foot throat and a finger throat are the same. I make all my throats and the cage out of #9. I hang my rear throat with a main line of # 12. I also use #12 for the main line going to the 4th hoop. I like #9 because it isn't as heavy as # 15 and also if you use it on the cage part it makes the cage to dark. Be sure to start taking up your mesh once you get to around 6 or full mesh. On my 7th row of full mesh, I start taking up every second mesh, then after I get that done I knit one more row of every second mesh then on the 8th row I start taking up every other mesh. This makes your throats come out pretty small but the nice thing about building the throat the way I build them, they will catch any size fish the enters past the first throat that is hung on the second hoop. The throat looks to small but it will expand easy when a fish enters.
I build my first throat just about the same way but make the throat shorter in length. The throat mainline on the first throat is tied to the 4th hoop. When the first throat is finished it will have a good deal more open type look to it. The idea of this is for the front of the net to look more open and that makes fish enter a lot easier. Once the fish is inside the net between the second a fourth hoop he will automatically start to swim upstream, especially if your net is baited. I prefer cheese bait myself but some folks use cotton seed cake. Cheese will put cotton seed cake to shame when it comes to feeding on the bait sack.
Anytime I catch an eggy fish I will leave her in the net to feed on the Cheese. From the combination of her feeding the cheese bag and having a hormonal fit, it causes your net to load up with catfish.
If your wanting to catch Hyfin, carp or Buffalo, use cotton seed cake, it is the best bait you can get for those particular fish.
I usually use between 5 to 8 pounds of cheese per bait bag.
what size mesh ?

Re: Mud turtle trap Pictoral . How to make net throats [Re: Wolfdog91] #5676121
10/22/16 01:31 AM
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I inch square two inch stretch. That is also for a 2 ft. fiddler net. I start with 59 mesh in the flat out measurement them when I lace it up, it has 60 total mesh around the net. I made these nets a little over 7 ft. long. I of course put a hoop on the very front of the net and then, if I remember correct I put my second hoop at 10 mesh long and third hoop at 10 more mesh long. I hang my first throat on the 2nd hoop and my second throat on the fourth hoop. That is coming from the head of the net. The tail of the net or what is the smaller end faces up stream so the water flows over the net from tail to head.
Understand it has been over 20 years since I built and sold nets and also used my own nets that I would build. I think if I remember correct the amount of mesh was 70 mesh stretch from head to tail. Understand I might be off a little on my figures.
I used fiber glass hoops and would balance all my hoops so the heavy side was always on the bottom of the net that sat on the river bed. If you don't balance your hoops, they will be rolling all around on the river bottom. You want a net to lay flat and straight on the river bed. If a net is constantly moving from side to side, you not catch many fish in the net.
I would always use a set of sharp calipers to get the exact measurement of where my net was laced into my hoops. If you don't keep your hoop lacing in a common pattern, it will also cause a net to walk on the river bottom.
There is a lot more that meets the eye when building a good commercial fishing net. When you do this for a living, you make sure you get your nets built in a good manner. It will mean the difference of catching 10, or 12 catfish to a net or catch a couple hundred to as much as 3 to 400 fish in a single net. I used to only have to run 10 hoop nets and 3 or 4 gill nets for bigger fish to make my days wages.

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Re: Mud turtle trap Pictoral . How to make net throats [Re: Wolfdog91] #5676326
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It's always fun making your own stuff. And everyone knows that Wolfdog likes to make stuff ,and also is creative and hardworking . Nice job dude.
I'd like to say that I've only trapped snappers a few times and that was years ago. So long in fact, I don't even remember what happened to my my hoop nets .
With all that said a good friend of mine stopped by on his way to put out some nets this past summer . And he was showing me the hoops he made. I said "Holy smoke how long did it take you to make those nets on each end" ? He said "not long at all they were basketball nets from Wally World" .
Now as I said before. It's really cool making your own stuff. But I thought it was a neat idea.
BTW,,,these had been used . The staining and mud on the nets was evident. He said they work as good as any he has ever had. This fella is 74 and has been going after snappers for a long time.


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Re: Mud turtle trap Pictoral . How to make net throats [Re: Wolfdog91] #5677570
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Here's my first double finger throat !

Not the best but I think it's a good start !

Re: Mud turtle trap Pictoral . How to make net throats [Re: Wolfdog91] #5678970
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Re: Mud turtle trap Pictoral . How to make net throats [Re: don Wolf] #5679038
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Originally Posted By: don Wolf
I inch square two inch stretch. That is also for a 2 ft. fiddler net. I start with 59 mesh in the flat out measurement them when I lace it up, it has 60 total mesh around the net. I made these nets a little over 7 ft. long. I of course put a hoop on the very front of the net and then, if I remember correct I put my second hoop at 10 mesh long and third hoop at 10 more mesh long. I hang my first throat on the 2nd hoop and my second throat on the fourth hoop. That is coming from the head of the net. The tail of the net or what is the smaller end faces up stream so the water flows over the net from tail to head.
Understand it has been over 20 years since I built and sold nets and also used my own nets that I would build. I think if I remember correct the amount of mesh was 70 mesh stretch from head to tail. Understand I might be off a little on my figures.
I used fiber glass hoops and would balance all my hoops so the heavy side was always on the bottom of the net that sat on the river bed. If you don't balance your hoops, they will be rolling all around on the river bottom. You want a net to lay flat and straight on the river bed. If a net is constantly moving from side to side, you not catch many fish in the net.
I would always use a set of sharp calipers to get the exact measurement of where my net was laced into my hoops. If you don't keep your hoop lacing in a common pattern, it will also cause a net to walk on the river bottom.
There is a lot more that meets the eye when building a good commercial fishing net. When you do this for a living, you make sure you get your nets built in a good manner. It will mean the difference of catching 10, or 12 catfish to a net or catch a couple hundred to as much as 3 to 400 fish in a single net. I used to only have to run 10 hoop nets and 3 or 4 gill nets for bigger fish to make my days wages.


Excellent post.





Good job Wolf Dog

Re: Mud turtle trap Pictoral . How to make net throats [Re: Aix sponsa] #5710274
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Originally Posted By: Aix sponsa



That's what I call a crowsfoot and a finger throat. I'd like to be corrected if I'm wrong...
His you make that Aix ? I've been trying to replicate it but just haven't had any luck

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Wolfdog, your pm's are full. WCS has #2 DLS Sleepy Creeks for $117.25 and I think free shipping tomorrow.


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Re: Mud turtle trap Pictoral . How to make net throats [Re: Boy Named Sue] #5712456
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Originally Posted By: Boy Named Sue
Wolfdog, your pm's are full. WCS has #2 DLS Sleepy Creeks for $117.25 and I think free shipping tomorrow.
Sang wish I would saw this earlier lol ! Just ordered a dozen dp's ! Well I guess I'll have to put the smack non some coon before Monday lol !

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