When WI was doing wolf studies they used 114s and 14 jumps to trap the study wolves. They started out with smooth jawed traps but had way to much damage so went to the toothed traps and that solved the problem.

I sold all my 14s for around 25.00 each. I still have 6 114s that are brand new and have never been set. They aren't for sale.

I run #14 jumps a lot. Open water on drowning cables and my favorite set under ice bait sets.

Mainer, He asked why they are no longer made,and I told him why.
Don't tell him to ignore facts.That is very arrogant of you,in fact quite priggish.

Boco lives In the world of OZ. LOL

If these traps are so damaging why haven't they been outlawed throughout the States?

Like I said before those traps were used for wolf research.
If you can find some use em.

Boco,
Actually, the production of the toothed traps mentioned, (#48 and #14 Newhouse were both stopped by 1976) ceased more than 20 years before AIHTS or BMP's, which as far as I recall showed up around 1998?? So I assume these two occurrences have nothing to do with each other? Set me straight if I am wrong? Also, looking back through the post, at no point do I see where the OP or ANYONE asked WHY toothed trap production ceased, as you stated.

I give you points, Boco, for using "priggish" in a sentence - nicely done!

Nevertheless, trapped4ever wins the internet today for his mic-dropping response.

If you want to be picky,I should have used the word available instead of made-just semantics really in one word.Well if you had read down a bit instead of just the first post he asked why they were not available anymore and hard to find.And I gave him the facts.Many companies stopped making traps for various reasons,same with newhouse but the designs were taken up by other companys.Not so with the toothed traps for the reasons I have given.
Many of the older toothed traps are collectable,but if you can find 14 jumps put them to use if you like if they are still legal.
Like another poster said there are many many options available today that do a better job.
I'll continue the discussion if you like later on,I have to go run a few traps just to see whats out there.I'm still gauging populations to decide what kind of line to run this winter.

Miss Nancy is absolutely correct.

A while back I bought a #14 Newhouse at a local flea market. Springs are as strong as the day they were made.

Mike

Boco, I'm confused again???? Are you claiming Newhouse #48's and Newhouse #14's were AIHTS or BMP tested? Weren't trap manufacturers required to pay for the testing process??? I don't believe the toothed line of Newhouse, #48, #14, #114, #2.5, #3.5 etc. were ever tested, as they were out of production long before AIHTS came on the scene??? Are you claiming they were tested and failed AIHTS standards??????!!!! Your earlier post makes a claim of something like 8 out of 10 times???? I find these claims interesting, as most wolf reintroduction efforts I'm aware of, claim the toothed traps cause the LEAST foot damage, due to the foot being held stable and not slipping laterally down the jaws. Are you suggesting this is a false claim? I'm curious where you have read any of the info you are citing, as I've never seen anything pertaining to the Newhouses being AIHTS tested? Thanks in advance if you have any info on the subject, and feel free to PM if you prefer?

Also, Sleepy Creek and LPC trap company in Texas are still producing toothed traps. LPC traps are VERY similar to many of the old #114 and #14 Newhouse, very good quality, well made traps, also available with rubber jaws.

Boco,
Re-reading your earlier post, I see you said toothed traps, and didn't mention any brand name or size. Maybe you just meant toothed traps in general?? Do you have any info on what brands and sizes of toothed traps were AIHTS tested?? I recall years ago you said the Y-MIR marten traps I mentioned, had failed AIHTS testing. Do you know if there is a list of the traps that have been tested, and failed, readily available?? Thanks

I don't c them on Sleepy Creek's site. I just emailed them to c if they still make them.

Beav,when Mn wolves were trapped and given to Wisconsin and other states.The 14 jumps were used as they were in your states
studies.
The teeth stopped foot damage caused by the feet moving in the jaws.The teeth in the 14s aren't impalers .
Tom

AJE,
I would try calling Sterling Fur, Trapper Art's, or putting an ad in the trap shed. I believe cohunt had some #14 jumps listed on the Trap shed earlier this fall, maybe PM him and see if he still has some?? I've always been able to find all I want for around $25 or less, each, used of course. For what you want, the #14 jumps, #48 Newhouse, or #14 Newhouse would work just fine. The #14 jumps are going to be easiest to find and cheapest. I've never seen or used a better stock foothold otter trap than the old #48 Newhouses, they are getting pretty pricey now though. There are lots of other good and acceptable otter footholds, but I've never seen ANY stock traps that I would say are better, or even equal to the #48 NH. Sleepy Creek was making a wolf trap with teeth last I was aware, but a phone call should give you an answer there.

T4E,They only publish those that pass,and don't rate them because they don't want to be seen as promoting one trap brand over another.
When Canada and the USA started testing traps,Canada concentrated on bodygrips and the states has concentrated on footholds.The USA has done some extensive testing and have a very good program in place.If you had a contact there they may publish data.

So are you aware if the toothed Newhouses or #14, #13, #12 Oneida Victor jumps were indeed even tested??

Yes, It states in your BMP's all devices were tested.

The 14 & 48 DLS's on this thread...would they be comparable to a #3 Bridger size wise?

Ttt

The OP originally asked if footholds with teeth provided an advantage when trapping beaver. I have used 48 Newhouse's and #4's with welded teeth on beaver (and otter) for about 40 years. Imo, yes, they do provide an advantage particularly when catching a beaver by the hind foot. I target for the front foot but the occasional back foot catch is inevitable.

Traps with teeth on the beaver line gives you a huge advantage. If you don't have traps with teeth you can always add some of your own design.
Those little nubs Wolfdog shows are a start but are lacking In shape and size. They don't need to be sharp or pointy. And they shouldn't line up from jaw to jaw.