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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap [Re: forester79] #6257863
06/11/18 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted By: forester79
Just a thought on this. What about using a Bridger #5 offset and filling in the offset with pieces of key stock to make teeth.

I have pondered this. Arkansas law states traps must be "smooth jawed" doesnt say "flat".
I couldnt use "teeth" but "lugs" maybe an option


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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap [Re: Ringbill5196] #6257864
06/11/18 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted By: Ringbill5196
I am not a fan of the teeth just because I don’t see a need. In Minnesota you can garage sale them at $25 for the Victor jumps. When I buy auction trap lots I do not think they add cost to the lot a bit unless someone is specifically after them.

I use jumps solely on baited under ice platforms. Dale Torma taught me that.

Ran into TS-85s with nail teeth welded on at a County job this year. What a fear some device! I didn’t care to set that in muddy water and shutter at that getting a dog.

My impression talking to older trappers whom used them for the last 50 yrs was they did not want them sharp but the uneven edge was the reason they held. At least one company makes a squarish tooth trap, maybe even a hard rubber jaw. I see some canine potential in that worth studying.
Originally Posted By: Ringbill5196
I am not a fan of the teeth just because I don’t see a need. In Minnesota you can garage sale them at $25 for the Victor jumps. When I buy auction trap lots I do not think they add cost to the lot a bit unless someone is specifically after them.

I use jumps solely on baited under ice platforms. Dale Torma taught me that.

Ran into TS-85s with nail teeth welded on at a County job this year. What a fear some device! I didn’t care to set that in muddy water and shutter at that getting a dog.

My impression talking to older trappers whom used them for the last 50 yrs was they did not want them sharp but the uneven edge was the reason they held. At least one company makes a squarish tooth trap, maybe even a hard rubber jaw. I see some canine potential in that worth studying.
your referring to the lpc ez grip trap.



Cool thing about this company is they actually make a replacement set of jaws for the Victor 3n traps is $15 a pair but I mean.

On a separate note for canine's I've talked to a live market trappers from here in Ms who welded but bless across this trap jaws along with a good size offset. He said that treat animals better than almost anything elese he's tried! Again he was a live market guy so minimal damage to the animal is paramount ! Said the only reason he stopped was because game and fish said they were technically teeth.

This isnt his but he did something similar.

Re: Teeth on a beaver trap [Re: AJE] #6257884
06/11/18 11:14 AM
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Better checked LPC's updated prices...called recently and was shocked.

Re: Teeth on a beaver trap [Re: AJE] #6258012
06/11/18 02:50 PM
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Has anyone tried checkering the jaw surface like on gun stocks?? If the paw can't move it won't get cut..


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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap [Re: AJE] #6258125
06/11/18 05:30 PM
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Those aren't teeth wolfie.
Teeth over lap the jaws when closed.


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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap [Re: AJE] #6258133
06/11/18 05:44 PM
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I believe those are best called traction nodules..


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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap [Re: AJE] #6258159
06/11/18 06:53 PM
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Most likely. LOL


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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap [Re: Wolfdog91] #6265113
06/22/18 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted By: Wolfdog91
Bubble welds across the jaw face


That's a little known art, Wolfie... smile

In Minnesota it's legal, not sure about Wisconsin. You don't need teeth on a trap to hold wolf or beaver.
Does it work ? Yes. Just not totally needed to be successful

Re: Teeth on a beaver trap [Re: AJE] #6265221
06/22/18 09:32 PM
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Legal in WI must be submerged at all times.



Re: Teeth on a beaver trap [Re: AJE] #6267103
06/25/18 10:06 PM
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The 14 is tough to beat for under ice beaver trapping IMO. Didn't have any this past winter and had a pullout on a brand new #4 coil. Picked up a pile of them for next year. Like others have said, I've seen very little foot damage with these due to lack of back-and-forth movement along the face of the jaws.

I also remember the wolf study where a toothed trap produced the least foot damage of all designs. Funny how our assumptions can often be wrong when looking objectively at the data. I'm not sure you could make the same conclusions for all toothed traps....would like to see BMP results for those. I vaguely remember the wolf trap design having a limited number of teeth, does that sound right??? Would be neat if someone had a link to that study.

Re: Teeth on a beaver trap [Re: AJE] #6267148
06/25/18 11:31 PM
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I don't know of a study but there was an article in the Trapper's Post by a researcher that talked about it,using the LPC #7.The teeth reduced edema.

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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap [Re: AJE] #6268218
06/27/18 03:46 PM
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I had a #14 stolen about 65 years ago(not in MI). Not legal in MI now.


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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap [Re: Taximan] #6268730
06/28/18 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted By: Taximan
I don't know of a study but there was an article in the Trapper's Post by a researcher that talked about it,using the LPC #7.The teeth reduced edema.
if you can find the one done by T.t.turnbull they have some good info on the subject

Re: Teeth on a beaver trap [Re: AJE] #6268814
06/28/18 03:51 PM
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Bus what you refer to in metal is named knurling. I've considered it but not tried.
Like on a ratchet wrench handle.

I still have a couple of those crimp on teeth from the 70s.
I did not use those for long.





Re: Teeth on a beaver trap [Re: AJE] #6268869
06/28/18 05:57 PM
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Anybody have experience with the Blake & Lamb 44 double underspring traps? I recall some of the more experienced trappers in my area in the 70's and 80's used them. I think they were already out of production by the late 70's. Do they have the same jaw spread as the 44 double longspring? Are the springs strong enough for beaver?

Re: Teeth on a beaver trap [Re: AJE] #6268886
06/28/18 06:13 PM
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I have some listed for sale on Ebay right now. Inside jaw spread is approx 5 1/2" x 6 3/4". The springs on mine seem pretty strong, but I've never used them for beaver.

Re: Teeth on a beaver trap [Re: AJE] #6268908
06/28/18 06:55 PM
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I've used the old 44 under springs,still have some in fact.Decent beaver trap,only problem I had was buying ones with good springs.Those small leaf springs get weak and you really had no way to replace them.If you find some with decent springs they'll do the job for you.


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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap [Re: Wright Brothers] #6269507
06/29/18 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted By: Wright Brothers
Bus what you refer to in metal is named knurling. I've considered it but not tried.
Like on a ratchet wrench handle.

I still have a couple of those crimp on teeth from the 70s.
I did not use those for long.


Yes thats what I was refering to. Would not have to be much to keep the paw in place..


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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap [Re: AJE] #6269525
06/29/18 07:15 PM
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For you guys that have used or use them, are the Oneida 14 traps with teeth not as good as/the same as/better than the large coilsprings traps we have access to, today? Working from memory, I believe they have a 7" or 7 1/4" jaw spread.

Re: Teeth on a beaver trap [Re: AJE] #6269572
06/29/18 08:47 PM
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The 14s are top of the line beaver traps. I've used them for 25 years or so. But the MB 750s are also great traps. I sold all my 14s years ago and went to the 750s. The 750s are just more versatile and can be used In states where you can't use a toothed trap.


Those clamp on teeth deals where just plain nasty. A critter doesn't deserve that kind of treatment.


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