Re: Teeth on a beaver trap
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Well, I use OV-14's for wolverine, and spring strength has never been an issue. However, they have cast jaws, so, a hairline crack in a jaw, (dry-fire?) is a remote possibility. I also use them for otter at times, and have a couple that are sporting about a 1/4" off-set, due to the otter getting tangled up and working the trap hard. As an aside, the factory pan/dog leaves a bit to be desired. WOBBLY! All mine now have the PIT system.
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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap
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Problem with toothed traps is they couldn't pass aihts or bmps because the injuries they caused were not within acceptable parameters of the injury scale 8 times out of 10. Not trying to start a debate about traps, just stating the facts why they are no longer made.
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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap
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AJE, traps like the #14 and similar toothed traps are perfectly legal to use in Wisconsin as long as "such traps are located completely underwater at all times" (page 9 in the Wisconsin 2016 Trapping Regulations). So you can ignore Boco's pseudo-problem of following AIHTS, which doesn't apply in your state or any other state in the United States.
And those are the facts.
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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap
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When WI was doing wolf studies they used 114s and 14 jumps to trap the study wolves. They started out with smooth jawed traps but had way to much damage so went to the toothed traps and that solved the problem.
I sold all my 14s for around 25.00 each. I still have 6 114s that are brand new and have never been set. They aren't for sale.
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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap
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I run #14 jumps a lot. Open water on drowning cables and my favorite set under ice bait sets.
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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap
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Mainer, He asked why they are no longer made,and I told him why. Don't tell him to ignore facts.That is very arrogant of you,in fact quite priggish.
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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap
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Boco lives In the world of OZ. LOL
If these traps are so damaging why haven't they been outlawed throughout the States?
Like I said before those traps were used for wolf research. If you can find some use em.
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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap
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Mainer, He asked why they are no longer made,and I told him why. Don't tell him to ignore facts.That is very arrogant of you,in fact quite priggish. I give you points, Boco, for using "priggish" in a sentence - nicely done! Nevertheless, trapped4ever wins the internet today for his mic-dropping response.
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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap
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If you want to be picky,I should have used the word available instead of made-just semantics really in one word.Well if you had read down a bit instead of just the first post he asked why they were not available anymore and hard to find.And I gave him the facts.Many companies stopped making traps for various reasons,same with newhouse but the designs were taken up by other companys.Not so with the toothed traps for the reasons I have given. Many of the older toothed traps are collectable,but if you can find 14 jumps put them to use if you like if they are still legal. Like another poster said there are many many options available today that do a better job. I'll continue the discussion if you like later on,I have to go run a few traps just to see whats out there.I'm still gauging populations to decide what kind of line to run this winter.
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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap
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I think you will find that even though they are old - many made over 75 years ago - many of the #14 and #48 Newhouse still have very strong springs. In fact stronger than some of the long spring traps made today. Miss Nancy is absolutely correct. A while back I bought a #14 Newhouse at a local flea market. Springs are as strong as the day they were made. Mike
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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap
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If you want to be picky,I should have used the word available instead of made-just semantics really in one word.Well if you had read down a bit instead of just the first post he asked why they were not available anymore and hard to find.And I gave him the facts.Many companies stopped making traps for various reasons,same with newhouse but the designs were taken up by other companys.Not so with the toothed traps for the reasons I have given. Many of the older toothed traps are collectable,but if you can find 14 jumps put them to use if you like if they are still legal. Like another poster said there are many many options available today that do a better job. I'll continue the discussion if you like later on,I have to go run a few traps just to see whats out there.I'm still gauging populations to decide what kind of line to run this winter. Boco, I'm confused again???? Are you claiming Newhouse #48's and Newhouse #14's were AIHTS or BMP tested? Weren't trap manufacturers required to pay for the testing process??? I don't believe the toothed line of Newhouse, #48, #14, #114, #2.5, #3.5 etc. were ever tested, as they were out of production long before AIHTS came on the scene??? Are you claiming they were tested and failed AIHTS standards??????!!!! Your earlier post makes a claim of something like 8 out of 10 times???? I find these claims interesting, as most wolf reintroduction efforts I'm aware of, claim the toothed traps cause the LEAST foot damage, due to the foot being held stable and not slipping laterally down the jaws. Are you suggesting this is a false claim? I'm curious where you have read any of the info you are citing, as I've never seen anything pertaining to the Newhouses being AIHTS tested? Thanks in advance if you have any info on the subject, and feel free to PM if you prefer? Also, Sleepy Creek and LPC trap company in Texas are still producing toothed traps. LPC traps are VERY similar to many of the old #114 and #14 Newhouse, very good quality, well made traps, also available with rubber jaws.
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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap
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Beav,when Mn wolves were trapped and given to Wisconsin and other states.The 14 jumps were used as they were in your states studies. The teeth stopped foot damage caused by the feet moving in the jaws.The teeth in the 14s aren't impalers . Tom
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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap
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AJE, I would try calling Sterling Fur, Trapper Art's, or putting an ad in the trap shed. I believe cohunt had some #14 jumps listed on the Trap shed earlier this fall, maybe PM him and see if he still has some?? I've always been able to find all I want for around $25 or less, each, used of course. For what you want, the #14 jumps, #48 Newhouse, or #14 Newhouse would work just fine. The #14 jumps are going to be easiest to find and cheapest. I've never seen or used a better stock foothold otter trap than the old #48 Newhouses, they are getting pretty pricey now though. There are lots of other good and acceptable otter footholds, but I've never seen ANY stock traps that I would say are better, or even equal to the #48 NH. Sleepy Creek was making a wolf trap with teeth last I was aware, but a phone call should give you an answer there.
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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap
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T4E,They only publish those that pass,and don't rate them because they don't want to be seen as promoting one trap brand over another. When Canada and the USA started testing traps,Canada concentrated on bodygrips and the states has concentrated on footholds.The USA has done some extensive testing and have a very good program in place.If you had a contact there they may publish data.
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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap
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Yes, It states in your BMP's all devices were tested.
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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap
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The OP originally asked if footholds with teeth provided an advantage when trapping beaver. I have used 48 Newhouse's and #4's with welded teeth on beaver (and otter) for about 40 years. Imo, yes, they do provide an advantage particularly when catching a beaver by the hind foot. I target for the front foot but the occasional back foot catch is inevitable.
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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap
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Traps with teeth on the beaver line gives you a huge advantage. If you don't have traps with teeth you can always add some of your own design. Those little nubs Wolfdog shows are a start but are lacking In shape and size. They don't need to be sharp or pointy. And they shouldn't line up from jaw to jaw.
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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap
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Sleepy creek makes or did make a #5 long with teeth
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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap
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Sleepy Creek does not recommend the 5 for water trapping so its not for beaver.
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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap
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Before Michigan outlawed teeth I used a pile of 48 newhouses and 14 jumps,my favorite being the 48's but the 14's were considerably easier to set.Teeth on beaver traps are definitely an asset,but our DNR and trapping assoc.'s didn't see it that way.
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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap
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There's alot of stuff our DNR an trapping assoc.'s don't see right...
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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap
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I thought the number 5 sleepy creek was for decoration not use.
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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap
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Yes even a 330.
Boco don't get this mod group started on body grips. Pretty soon they will be adding laminations base plating and center swiveling them. And when the springs get weak they will be adding helper springs. And maybe they will start 4 springing them. LOL
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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap
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Reading about your experiences in a lifetime of trapping Beaver in the Ontario bush and leaning heavily on 330's has had me speculating about the difference between operating on remote/registered lines versus the free for all trapping (excepting private property)we have in the states.When I trapped beaver hard I ran into more beaver than I care to admit to that knew more about 330's than I did.Castor mounds set up with 330's would go untouched while the same set with foot holds produced.Dam spillways set with 330's almost always went untouched,I would pull the 330,replace it with a foothold and success.It got to the point where I was setting far more footholds than BG's.No disrespect intended,I just found beaver could be very cagy around half submerged BG's,and they often avoided fully submerged traps too on public land here.I couldn't believe how wiley beaver can be once they've had traps snapped off in their face or lost a few toes.
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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap
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And I should have added that's where a trap designed for beaver,like a 14 jump or 48 newhouse came into play.These style traps do not fool around,once caught their in till you take them out.No "pullouts"with these.
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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap
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Buck The south well SC and NC must be like Canada. In the 15 years I spent down there I might have set a dozen foot holds when trapping beaver. The 330 and the 280 were the go to traps In just about every situation.
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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap
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That is interesting.More beaver trappers here in the north?Maybe with the current slump in the beaver market and newer generations of beaver we won't see avoidance.I should have mentioned its been a while since I trapped beaver exclusively.I got pretty proficient at foot holding beaver and loved working with traps made for beaver,the No.44 dls,44 underspring with teeth,and stock 4 newhouses all worked good.Actually then as now,a guy looking for an affordable trap with teeth would do well to look at the 14 jump,at approx.$25 a piece its the most affordable around.The other newhouses with teeth like the 114,14longspring and the 48's are all collector items.O'Gormans Wyoming Big Iron was a little pricey but was probably top dog.Really looking forward to chasing them this fall for the first time in years.
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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap
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When we were young and had no money for real beaver traps. (before BGs) WE welded fence staples In #4 Herters coil springs. Can't ever remember losing a beaver In that set up. But they were like setting a time bomb. You didn't want to get caught In one. LOL
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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap
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I always thought those No.4 Herters were awesome even without teeth added.For some reason they seemed much beefier and stronger than their 3's.While the No.3 Herters are a dime a dozen up here the 4's were always harder to find.Only ever had a few myself,I'd definitely use them if I could find any.Good beaver trap.
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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap
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The old timer that I trapped with for many years told me that before 330's were invented in the early 50's,trappers would take one spring off their smaller bear and wolf traps to use for beaver.They liked the weight for drowning,they didn't need to tie a weight to the trap like with a no 4.Of course once the conibears and snowmachines came on the market they revolutionized beaver trapping for ever.
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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap
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Just a thought on this. What about using a Bridger #5 offset and filling in the offset with pieces of key stock to make teeth.
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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap
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I had a PM from a trapper asking about teeth In traps. We discussed It and he came up with the Idea of using cement nails. And that's a great Idea. Knock off the very end so they are a little more blunt and weld them In place. Or maybe just turn them around and use the head end. Weld In place then grind off what's left over on the outside of the jaws. This would allow you to hang onto the nail when welding It In place.
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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap
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Just a thought on this. What about using a Bridger #5 offset and filling in the offset with pieces of key stock to make teeth. I have pondered this. Arkansas law states traps must be "smooth jawed" doesnt say "flat". I couldnt use "teeth" but "lugs" maybe an option
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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap
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I am not a fan of the teeth just because I don’t see a need. In Minnesota you can garage sale them at $25 for the Victor jumps. When I buy auction trap lots I do not think they add cost to the lot a bit unless someone is specifically after them.
I use jumps solely on baited under ice platforms. Dale Torma taught me that.
Ran into TS-85s with nail teeth welded on at a County job this year. What a fear some device! I didn’t care to set that in muddy water and shutter at that getting a dog.
My impression talking to older trappers whom used them for the last 50 yrs was they did not want them sharp but the uneven edge was the reason they held. At least one company makes a squarish tooth trap, maybe even a hard rubber jaw. I see some canine potential in that worth studying.
I am not a fan of the teeth just because I don’t see a need. In Minnesota you can garage sale them at $25 for the Victor jumps. When I buy auction trap lots I do not think they add cost to the lot a bit unless someone is specifically after them.
I use jumps solely on baited under ice platforms. Dale Torma taught me that.
Ran into TS-85s with nail teeth welded on at a County job this year. What a fear some device! I didn’t care to set that in muddy water and shutter at that getting a dog.
My impression talking to older trappers whom used them for the last 50 yrs was they did not want them sharp but the uneven edge was the reason they held. At least one company makes a squarish tooth trap, maybe even a hard rubber jaw. I see some canine potential in that worth studying.
your referring to the lpc ez grip trap. Cool thing about this company is they actually make a replacement set of jaws for the Victor 3n traps is $15 a pair but I mean. On a separate note for canine's I've talked to a live market trappers from here in Ms who welded but bless across this trap jaws along with a good size offset. He said that treat animals better than almost anything elese he's tried! Again he was a live market guy so minimal damage to the animal is paramount ! Said the only reason he stopped was because game and fish said they were technically teeth. This isnt his but he did something similar.
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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap
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Has anyone tried checkering the jaw surface like on gun stocks?? If the paw can't move it won't get cut..
Common sense catches alot of fur.. Pay homage to all you harvest..
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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap
[Re: AJE]
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06/11/18 05:30 PM
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Those aren't teeth wolfie. Teeth over lap the jaws when closed.
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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap
[Re: AJE]
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06/11/18 05:44 PM
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I believe those are best called traction nodules..
Common sense catches alot of fur.. Pay homage to all you harvest..
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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap
[Re: Wolfdog91]
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06/22/18 06:45 PM
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Bubble welds across the jaw face That's a little known art, Wolfie... In Minnesota it's legal, not sure about Wisconsin. You don't need teeth on a trap to hold wolf or beaver. Does it work ? Yes. Just not totally needed to be successful
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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap
[Re: AJE]
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06/22/18 09:32 PM
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Legal in WI must be submerged at all times.
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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap
[Re: AJE]
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06/25/18 11:31 PM
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I don't know of a study but there was an article in the Trapper's Post by a researcher that talked about it,using the LPC #7.The teeth reduced edema.
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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap
[Re: Taximan]
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06/28/18 01:22 PM
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I don't know of a study but there was an article in the Trapper's Post by a researcher that talked about it,using the LPC #7.The teeth reduced edema. if you can find the one done by T.t.turnbull they have some good info on the subject
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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap
[Re: AJE]
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06/28/18 03:51 PM
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Bus what you refer to in metal is named knurling. I've considered it but not tried. Like on a ratchet wrench handle.
I still have a couple of those crimp on teeth from the 70s. I did not use those for long.
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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap
[Re: AJE]
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06/28/18 06:55 PM
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I've used the old 44 under springs,still have some in fact.Decent beaver trap,only problem I had was buying ones with good springs.Those small leaf springs get weak and you really had no way to replace them.If you find some with decent springs they'll do the job for you.
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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap
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06/29/18 06:38 PM
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Bus what you refer to in metal is named knurling. I've considered it but not tried. Like on a ratchet wrench handle.
I still have a couple of those crimp on teeth from the 70s. I did not use those for long. Yes thats what I was refering to. Would not have to be much to keep the paw in place..
Common sense catches alot of fur.. Pay homage to all you harvest..
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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap
[Re: AJE]
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06/29/18 08:47 PM
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The 14s are top of the line beaver traps. I've used them for 25 years or so. But the MB 750s are also great traps. I sold all my 14s years ago and went to the 750s. The 750s are just more versatile and can be used In states where you can't use a toothed trap.
Those clamp on teeth deals where just plain nasty. A critter doesn't deserve that kind of treatment.
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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap
[Re: AJE]
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08/16/19 06:45 PM
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Your skills are definitely improving ! Nice job Wolfie!
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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap
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08/17/19 10:49 AM
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Assuming they can be found and purchased, are the Oneida 14 jump traps considered good beaver traps? The reason I ask is that I recall from years, ago, that some trappers felt the single under spring had a tendency to throw an animal's foot out of the trap as it closed. Opinions? Not if the trap is set right , think about how the spring works in relation to how it's set. The 14 is a great beaver trap.
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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap
[Re: AJE]
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08/17/19 01:59 PM
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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap
[Re: AJE]
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02/13/21 12:00 PM
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Listen to ADC wolfdog. You would be losing most of the beaver with that set up. The teeth need to be on top or under the jaw faces.Back to the drawing board.
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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap
[Re: AJE]
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02/13/21 03:04 PM
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If any one decides to put teeth In their beaver traps look at using cement nails. They will give you a nice blunt type tooth and that's what you want.
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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap
[Re: AJE]
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02/13/21 06:26 PM
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Dont step on that ,you'll get a sore foot.
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap
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02/23/21 10:17 PM
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Problem with toothed traps is they couldn't pass aihts or bmps because the injuries they caused were not within acceptable parameters of the injury scale 8 times out of 10. Not trying to start a debate about traps, just stating the facts why they are no longer made. I agree they don't meet the BMP and other parameters, but perhaps those parameters where a little subjective and emotionally driven to some degree. It's accepted fact that a toothed trap can actually do less harm in some cases by allowing hemorrhaging to drain; apparently that is one of the reasons they used toothed traps when trapping the wolves that were relocated from Canada to Yellowstone Park. That's what I've heard anyway.
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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap
[Re: AJE]
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02/26/21 07:51 AM
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I have some #4 double long springs given to me that had heavy fence staples welded on top of the jaws, then cut off to about 1/2 inch. They are wall hangers at my cabin. I have also seen this done to #3 coil springs, trap had a bluegill tied to the pan, trap was screwed to short 2x8. The trap was set, trap and board was turned upside down and floated in ponds for snapping turtles. Tied securely of course. With the increase in Loons I could never do it. But trout pond owners and snapping turtles are mortal enemies.
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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap
[Re: AJE]
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02/26/21 04:19 PM
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I've seen pics of them. Dirk Miller recommended them in his book(had pics). Wish we could use them for beaver. Lot less escapes
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Re: Teeth on a beaver trap
[Re: AJE]
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