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#5808067 - 02/10/17 12:19 AM NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK
Steve Swarner Offline
trapper

Registered: 06/01/16
Posts: 41
Loc: New Mexico
Trappers,

All the bills including the anti-trapping bill and coyote contest bill are scheduled for next week. I canít tell you how important it is to call or email the committee members and voice your opposition to the bills. Your heritage is under attack. Some main talking points involve what the loss of trapping means to you, including your income, including protecting your livestock. Only you can put your personal experiences into words. Another topic is the inaccuracies that are being communicated pertaining to public safety. It is also important that you read the bills. The bills are very easy to find on www.nmlegis.gov website. Once youíre there click the ďLegislationĒ tab, then search for the bill under the bill finder. These are Senate bills. Read them and be informed.

For SB266 this is a way to give the State Game Commission power over all wildlife; including coyotes. They donít want this. If this bill turns into law, it will provide future opportunity to restrict your rights pertaining to hunting, fishing, AND Trapping.

SB267 is another opportunity for the same. It will make a coyote and many other animals protected that will again provide opportunities to impose limits on animals that donít need protection.

SB268 is obviously going after the perception that these contests are cruel, inhumane, and damaging to the predator vs prey balance. These statements are made without fact. They rely on the ignorance of people that donít know otherwise and choose not to be informed.

SB286Ö What else needs to be said. It will outlaw all forms of trapping of any kind. You wonít even be able to put out a glue trap to catch a mouse if they get their way.

I reviewed the calendar all the bills are scheduled in room 311 and start at 8:30am. I would advise you to be there early and get a seat. Donít let the antiís take away your opportunity to express your opposition.

SB266 State Game Commission Mission & Purpose, Feb 14,
SB267 Protection of fur bearing animals & coyotes Feb 16,
SB268 Prohibit coyote killing contests, Feb 16
SB286 NM Wildlife protection... (anti-trapping) Feb 16.

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#5808197 - 02/10/17 07:15 AM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
Tom Fisher Offline
trapper

Registered: 06/11/08
Posts: 357
Loc: el vado, nm
I'll be at the hearings both days-----------will you?

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#5808202 - 02/10/17 07:19 AM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
yodeldog101 Offline
trapper

Registered: 11/09/08
Posts: 4964
Loc: Mt
Wow...that suks..Antis ...wish they would just go away shocked mad
_________________________
Member NTA MTA NRA We live back in the woods ya see...my woman and the kids and the dogs and me....

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#5808278 - 02/10/17 08:13 AM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
adam m Offline
trapper

Registered: 02/11/14
Posts: 12405
Loc: nm
Can't make it either day. Gonna email them

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#5808637 - 02/10/17 02:03 PM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Tom Fisher]
Steve Swarner Offline
trapper

Registered: 06/01/16
Posts: 41
Loc: New Mexico
Beaver Slayer!!! I can only make it on the 16th.

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#5808640 - 02/10/17 02:07 PM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
adam m Offline
trapper

Registered: 02/11/14
Posts: 12405
Loc: nm
Just talked to a warden and he said another bill was introduced to protect coyotes and skunks. And another that protects ALL vertebrae animals from cruelty and death and will make it a felony to kill any animals. We both see that one getting tossed out right away.

I'll look for them later to see if I can find either.

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#5808683 - 02/10/17 03:05 PM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Tom Fisher]
Steve Swarner Offline
trapper

Registered: 06/01/16
Posts: 41
Loc: New Mexico
Tom, Im looking into being there both days, gonna have to find a cheap hotel to make it work.

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#5809203 - 02/10/17 08:52 PM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
adam m Offline
trapper

Registered: 02/11/14
Posts: 12405
Loc: nm
I just looked up those proposals and found something very interesting. There is a proposal to make hunting and fishing a NM constitutional right. For those that are contacting the legislators, senators etc.... please ask them to pass SJR15 and add trapping in the bill.

https://www.nmlegis.gov/Sessions/17%20Regular/resolutions/senate/SJR15.pdf

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#5809657 - 02/11/17 09:47 AM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
adam m Offline
trapper

Registered: 02/11/14
Posts: 12405
Loc: nm
not only ask to pass SJR15 but to add trapping to the constitutional amendment.

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#5809913 - 02/11/17 01:57 PM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
Steve Swarner Offline
trapper

Registered: 06/01/16
Posts: 41
Loc: New Mexico
Theres an update on this all bills will be heard on Thursday at 8:30 am

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#5809922 - 02/11/17 02:06 PM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
Steve Swarner Offline
trapper

Registered: 06/01/16
Posts: 41
Loc: New Mexico
All the bills including the anti-trapping bill and prohibit coyote contest bill are now scheduled for Thursday, Feb 16, at the Roundhouse in Santa Fe; Room 311, 8:30 am. I canít tell you how important it is to call and email the committee members and voice your opposition to the bills.
Senate Bill Summary

SB266 this is a way to give the State Game Commission power over all wildlife; including coyotes. If this bill turns into law, it will provide future opportunity to restrict your rights pertaining to hunting, fishing, AND Trapping.

SB267 is another opportunity for the same. It will make a coyote and many other animals protected that will again provide opportunities to impose limits on animals that donít need protection.

SB268 is obviously going after the perception that these contests are cruel, inhumane, and damaging to the predator vs prey balance. These statements are made without fact. They rely on the ignorance of people that donít know otherwise and choose not to be informed.

SB286 What else needs to be said. It will outlaw all forms of trapping of any kind. You wonít even be able to put out a glue trap to catch a mouse if they get their way.

For those going to Sante Fe I would advise you to be there early (7:30am at the latest) and get a seat. Donít let the antiís take away your opportunity to express your opposition.

Below are the members of the conservation committee. For those that live in the districts of these senators please express that you vote these issues. Although communication to all the committee is important, I highlighted the members that you should focus on. I am personally tasking all of you that read this email to call and email every committee member, AND pass this on to at least two people. We donít have much time.

Senate Conservation Committee

Title
First Name
Last Name

Room Number
Capital Office Phone
Email
Chair
Joseph
Cervantes
Dem
328B
505-986-4861
Joseph@cervanteslawnm.com
Vice Chair
Elizabeth
Stefanics
Dem
416C
505-986-4834
liz.stefanics@nmlegis.gov
Member
William
Payne
Rep
109B
505-986-4703
william.payne@nmlegis.gov
Member
Peter
Wirth
Dem
119
505-986-4727
peter.wirth@nmlegis.gov
Member
Ron
Griggs
Rep
414A
505-986-4369
ron.griggs@nmlegis.gov
Member
Richard
Martinez
Dem
319
505-986-4487
richard.martinez@nmlegis.gov
Member
Cisco
McSorley
Dem
217
505-986-4389
cisco.mcsorley@nmlegis.gov
Member
William P.
Soules
Dem
328A
505-986-4834
bill.soules@nmlegis.gov
Ranking Member
John Patrick
Woods
Rep
415D
505-986-4393
pat.woods@nmlegis.gov

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#5810350 - 02/11/17 07:47 PM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
Mudslinger39 Offline
trapper

Registered: 03/12/16
Posts: 189
Loc: Las cruces New Mexico
Thank you Steve and Adam. This is important folks, we are battling a stacked deck this time. 6 democrats to 3 republicans. Need 5 votes to go our way to kill these bills in committee. Any and all calls and emails are appreciated. We think two of the democrats might be swayed to our side!

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#5810376 - 02/11/17 08:08 PM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
Yotegiter Offline
trapper

Registered: 10/15/11
Posts: 665
Loc: Formerly NM, now Midway, KY
I am still a member of the NMTA and emailed everyone on the list. It be criminal to let all that fine trapping and hunting get away from us to the anti's.

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#5811907 - 02/12/17 09:19 PM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
TravC Offline
"MCnasty"

Registered: 03/14/07
Posts: 2169
Loc: van horn tx
Emails sent and have been spreading the word
_________________________
There i said it....

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#5811950 - 02/12/17 09:56 PM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
USMC47 Offline


Registered: 02/23/09
Posts: 6850
Loc: California
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www.derricks-nm.com

www.montanatrappingsupplies.com

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#5811953 - 02/12/17 09:56 PM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
USMC47 Offline


Registered: 02/23/09
Posts: 6850
Loc: California
Let'er rip, potato chip!
_________________________
The deadliest weapon in the world is a Marine and his rifle.

www.derricks-nm.com

www.montanatrappingsupplies.com

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#5812638 - 02/13/17 05:28 PM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
adam m Offline
trapper

Registered: 02/11/14
Posts: 12405
Loc: nm
You're welcome mudslinger.
The anti trapping bill is getting more press coverage than the others.

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#5815223 - 02/15/17 03:34 PM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
Tom Fisher Offline
trapper

Registered: 06/11/08
Posts: 357
Loc: el vado, nm
Off to Sante Fe in the morning to the Round House! Will put something up here when I get back hoping it's good news thanks to all that help!-------It's a good time to be a trapper!

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#5815312 - 02/15/17 04:43 PM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
adam m Offline
trapper

Registered: 02/11/14
Posts: 12405
Loc: nm
Thanks Tom. Be safe on your journey.

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#5815463 - 02/15/17 06:30 PM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
Steve Swarner Offline
trapper

Registered: 06/01/16
Posts: 41
Loc: New Mexico
Just got into Santa Fe! See tomorrow Tom!

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#5816054 - 02/16/17 07:58 AM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
Steve Swarner Offline
trapper

Registered: 06/01/16
Posts: 41
Loc: New Mexico
Here at capitol building, they have rolled the anti trapping bill over to another date go figure, the fur bearer protection act and the coyote contest will be heard today, bills 268 and 267,

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#5816252 - 02/16/17 12:21 PM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
adam m Offline
trapper

Registered: 02/11/14
Posts: 12405
Loc: nm
Steve have they spoken on it?

I'm streaming it now but they are talking the kids at the round house today.

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#5816274 - 02/16/17 12:49 PM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
SWesternTrapper Offline
trapper

Registered: 12/19/15
Posts: 159
Loc: New Mexico
Adam how do you stream it?


Edited by SWesternTrapper (02/16/17 12:49 PM)

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#5816278 - 02/16/17 12:56 PM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
SWesternTrapper Offline
trapper

Registered: 12/19/15
Posts: 159
Loc: New Mexico
Found it thanks

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#5816319 - 02/16/17 01:45 PM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
adam m Offline
trapper

Registered: 02/11/14
Posts: 12405
Loc: nm
http://sg001-harmony.sliq.net/00293/harmony
Sorry I forgot to post the link

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#5816329 - 02/16/17 01:52 PM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
adam m Offline
trapper

Registered: 02/11/14
Posts: 12405
Loc: nm
Wait did I just hear them say SB268 passed?


DON't quote me on that yet


Edited by adam m (02/16/17 01:56 PM)

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#5816415 - 02/16/17 03:14 PM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
Tom Fisher Offline
trapper

Registered: 06/11/08
Posts: 357
Loc: el vado, nm
The coyote calling contest ban passed, the Game &Fish bill failed Trapping bill set for Tuesday I THINK we had a good crowd,most all the users plus cattle& sheep and other users I didn't keep track of was hoping to not make another trip -----keep writing and calling we can't lose!

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#5816451 - 02/16/17 04:10 PM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
adam m Offline
trapper

Registered: 02/11/14
Posts: 12405
Loc: nm
That stinks about the contest bill. Some of my buddies put them on to help raise money for cancer patients especially pediatric cancer patients.

I'll send out more emails. Hopefully more articulate

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#5816489 - 02/16/17 04:47 PM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
Steve Swarner Offline
trapper

Registered: 06/01/16
Posts: 41
Loc: New Mexico
Im sorry it was bill 266 that was tabled, a bill which would have made all wildlife a protected species, the Coyote contest bill was passed as in it will move on to the judiciary committee and be heard there, I believe before being voted on by the senate

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#5816827 - 02/16/17 09:01 PM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
adam m Offline
trapper

Registered: 02/11/14
Posts: 12405
Loc: nm
Thanks Steve and Tom for the updates I appreciate it.
Steve does that mean SB266 failed or will be reviewed again later? I hope that means it failed which is a big win.

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#5816962 - 02/16/17 11:47 PM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
Steve Swarner Offline
trapper

Registered: 06/01/16
Posts: 41
Loc: New Mexico
its a fail but because it has been tabled it means someone could pick it up, but i doubt that will happen, it was horribly written and would need allot more work then i believe the writer wanted to put into it, financially for the state its a disaster

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#5817137 - 02/17/17 07:58 AM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
adam m Offline
trapper

Registered: 02/11/14
Posts: 12405
Loc: nm
Thanks Steve. Yeah it was horribly written. It sure would be a disaster for the state.

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#5817242 - 02/17/17 09:37 AM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
SWesternTrapper Offline
trapper

Registered: 12/19/15
Posts: 159
Loc: New Mexico
I just called and SB 286 has not been rescheduled yet. Here's the # 505-986-4485

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#5819587 - 02/19/17 02:59 PM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
Steve Swarner Offline
trapper

Registered: 06/01/16
Posts: 41
Loc: New Mexico
Trappers,

All the anti-trapping bill SB286, is scheduled AGAIN to be heard by the Conservation Committee on Tuesday, February 21, at the Roundhouse in Santa Fe; Room 311, 8:30 am. As you know the bill was pulled from the committee just prior to its scheduled hearing. I donít know the reason other than there were a lot of people in the room that opposed the bill. It is imperative that you do not let this stall our active opposition to this bill, and do all you can to resend your letters or emails, and make your phone calls again. Your heritage is under attack, and it is yours to lose. As before, only you can put your personal experiences into words. Another topic is the inaccuracies that are being communicated pertaining to public safety.

For those going to Sante Fe; we need more than last week, I would advise you to be there early (7:10am at the latest) and get a seat. Donít let the antiís take away your opportunity to express your opposition. I believe the antiís will show up earlier since so many were left without a seat.

Below are the members of the conservation committee. For those that live in the districts of these senators please express that you vote these issues. Although communication to all the committee is important, I highlighted the members that you should focus on. I am personally tasking all of you that read this email to call and email every committee member, AND pass this on to at least two people. We donít have much time.

Senate Conservation Committee

Title
First Name
Last Name

Room Number
Capital Office Phone
Email
Chair
Joseph
Cervantes
Dem
328B
505-986-4861
Joseph@cervanteslawnm.com
Vice Chair
Elizabeth
Stefanics
Dem
416C
505-986-4834
liz.stefanics@nmlegis.gov
Member
William
Payne
Rep
109B
505-986-4703
william.payne@nmlegis.gov
Member
Peter
Wirth
Dem
119
505-986-4727
peter.wirth@nmlegis.gov
Member
Ron
Griggs
Rep
414A
505-986-4369
ron.griggs@nmlegis.gov
Member
Richard
Martinez
Dem
319
505-986-4487
richard.martinez@nmlegis.gov
Member
Cisco
McSorley
Dem
217
505-986-4389
cisco.mcsorley@nmlegis.gov
Member
William P.
Soules
Dem
328A
505-986-4834
bill.soules@nmlegis.gov
Ranking Member
John Patrick
Woods
Rep
415D
505-986-4393
pat.woods@nmlegis.gov

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#5819600 - 02/19/17 03:24 PM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
Steve Swarner Offline
trapper

Registered: 06/01/16
Posts: 41
Loc: New Mexico
This an Email I sent off to the committee, I won't be able to attend the committee meeting, I used up all my bullets on the last one with work, It is convenient for them to change these things, if anyone is going and doesn't have any thing to share and feels I had something to say please feel free to use any or all these points when addressing them in person.

Effect of Hunting and Trapping on Wildlife Damage
Author(s): Michael R. Conover
Source: Wildlife Society Bulletin, Vol. 29, No. 2 (Summer, 2001), pp. 521-532 Published by: Allen Press
Courtesy of jstor
Summary
It often is in the best interest of society to main-
tain a wildlife population below the level of the
environmental carrying capacity. Reasons may include the desire to 1) reduce the frequency of massive die-offs in that species, 2) produce the maximum sustained yield of animals for harvest, 3) maximize environmental benefits for other species, 4) reduce spread of disease or parasites, and 5) reduce wildlife damage to acceptable levels. In most cases, using hunters and trappers is the only cost-effective and efficacious method available to reduce wildlife populations over large areas. Hunt- ing and trapping reduce wildlife damage by many different mechanisms, including 1) reducing a wildlife population below the environmental carry-
ing capacity, 2) removing individuals from a popu-
lation earlier in the year than would normally happen through natural causes of mortality and 3)
changing the behavior of animals so that they are
less likely to cause damage. Hunting and trapping also can increase landowner tolerance of wildlife
and wildlife damage. If hunting or trapping were to end, some wildlife populations would increase, ani- mals would become more habituated to humans, wildlife damage would increase, landowner tolerance ance for wildlife would decrease, and some rural property values would fall. Because of these events, wildlife habitat would be lost because landowners would simultaneously lose a major incentive to maintain wildlife habitat and be confronted with greater levels of wildlife damage.

Its proven over and over again to be an effective way to conserve wildlife and their habitats

It seems public safety has been brought up because a couple recent domestic animals caught in traps. Although this may be an issue in some of the populated areas of new mexico and there mountain play grounds, it is hardly an issue where i trap. South of I-40 there is a lot of land that nobody but trappers and wild animals go on. the following is a letter from the Chairman of Idaho fish and game and how they handled ďpublic safetyĒ. I would hope that New mexico follows their direction and not the direction members of this committee might like to go.

By Fred Trevey, Chairman, Idaho Fish and Game Commission
In Idaho, trapping is a constitutional right. Despite that a recent editorial in an Idaho newspaper said the Idaho Fish and Game Commission should have restricted that right based on a couple of instances last year where dogs were accidently caught and killed in body-gripping conibear traps.
Make no mistake, Fish and Game Commissioners and trappers empathize with the owners of those dogs, but we feel it is better to use education, rather than restrictions to prevent these kinds of unfortunate occurrences from happening in the future.
The Commission last month directed Fish and Game staff to work with trappers to develop a proposal requiring trapper education for all trappers in Idaho. Commissioners believe the proposed mandatory trapper education course should include instruction in ethics and best practices on how and where traps are placed on the landscape. This should help to reduce instances of dogs and other non-targeted species being caught not only in conibear-type traps, but foothold traps and snares as well.
Mandatory hunter education became a requirement in Idaho more than three decades ago, in part to stem the number of hunting-related accidents that were occurring in our state - and it worked. The accident rate has dropped significantly over the years and new hunters go afield trained to be safe, to respect the rights of others, and to conduct themselves responsibly. The vast majority of trappers conduct themselves responsibly too and the Commission is confident that like hunter education, trapper education will make a difference.
Trapping in Idaho dates back hundreds of years and continues to be a time honored tradition here today. Trappers harvest furbearers such as beaver, bobcat, otter, marten and more recently wolves have been added to the list of species that can be legally trapped.
Trapping also cultivates stewardship values and encourages another way to learn about wildlife and their habitat. It is a primary tool used to control some species of depredating wildlife that impact the agricultural and ranching communities and for biologists to capture wildlife for research and management.
It's worth noting that two years ago, 75 percent of Idaho voters approved the constitutional amendment protecting the right to hunt, fish and trap in Idaho and it is important for all of us to respect each other's rights on the land.

New Mexico has a bill that Iím sure will pass, which will make it a constitutional right to hunt trap and fish here, and I believe it is important that we all respect each others right to the land. This bill isnít about public safety, it isnít about animal welfare its about people wanting to restrict the rights of trappers. PERIOD, Id also like to remind the committee that despite what you will hear from proponents of this bill mainly people claiming to care for animals and their environment, the New Mexico Trapping laws were given a grade by the group BORN FREE, a group stemming from the ANIMAL PROTECTION AGENCY, a grade of ďCĒ for our trapping laws. A grade of ďAĒ is no trapping at all.

There is plenty of room for all of us in New Mexico.

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#5820476 - 02/20/17 09:27 AM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
Tom Fisher Offline
trapper

Registered: 06/11/08
Posts: 357
Loc: el vado, nm
The trapping bill is first so come early

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#5820940 - 02/20/17 05:56 PM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
adam m Offline
trapper

Registered: 02/11/14
Posts: 12405
Loc: nm
Thanks for the update. Steve that's a great email

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#5821457 - 02/21/17 05:52 AM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: adam m]
Steve Swarner Offline
trapper

Registered: 06/01/16
Posts: 41
Loc: New Mexico
Thanks Adam Gods will and good luck to all of us today

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#5821604 - 02/21/17 08:27 AM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
adam m Offline
trapper

Registered: 02/11/14
Posts: 12405
Loc: nm
You're welcome. Amen.
I'm gonna stream it. The livestream link is towards the top of page 2 of this thread

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#5821690 - 02/21/17 09:51 AM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
adam m Offline
trapper

Registered: 02/11/14
Posts: 12405
Loc: nm

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#5821711 - 02/21/17 10:25 AM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
adam m Offline
trapper

Registered: 02/11/14
Posts: 12405
Loc: nm
someone in opposition to the bill opened his statement by showing everyone a trap and snapped it on his hand and continued on his opposition all while with a trap on his hand and without missing a beat. grin

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#5821746 - 02/21/17 10:58 AM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
SWesternTrapper Offline
trapper

Registered: 12/19/15
Posts: 159
Loc: New Mexico
From my understanding we still have to wait they're going to come up with a better solution for the bill. Because the bill is all over the place with public land and the punishment. I'm I correct?

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#5821769 - 02/21/17 11:17 AM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
SWesternTrapper Offline
trapper

Registered: 12/19/15
Posts: 159
Loc: New Mexico
It's funny how none of the supporters of the bill had no evidence or pictures of their beloved pets that they claimed got caught in a trap,not even the veterinarian that claimed a pet that he couldn't save and later died named Sonny which was one of a clients Labrador retriever that got caught on a trap.


Edited by SWesternTrapper (02/21/17 11:17 AM)

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#5821807 - 02/21/17 12:10 PM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
adam m Offline
trapper

Registered: 02/11/14
Posts: 12405
Loc: nm
You're correct they are creating a sub committee to try to iron out the wrinkles and remove the gray areas before sending to the judiciary committee (waste of tax money in a state that's reducing teachers pay/work) to figure out if this bill will work or not. They have until 3/18

The bill is terribly written. They added an amendment that clarifies "public land". Basically they want ALL land that's not privately owned or tribal land. The sponsor opens and says our G&F officers are short handed already gives a few examples then later goes to say they will be the only ones trap. I'm surprised no one used that against him.

I thought he amputated the dogs leg. Our G&F director did great.

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#5821844 - 02/21/17 01:05 PM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
SWesternTrapper Offline
trapper

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Posts: 159
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Looks like they are really trying to get this passed or I think they would have just thrown it out like the last one.

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#5821856 - 02/21/17 01:16 PM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
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Yeah it does. But they also want both sides to win.

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#5821868 - 02/21/17 01:38 PM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
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Any news?
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#5821885 - 02/21/17 02:08 PM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
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The wrinkles they are trying to iron out is which public land they can close to trapping and how to cite and punish a trapper that gets caught on that public land. How do we win. If the antis get an inch we lose a mile. They will keep chewing at it every year until they get what they want. Nothing but it getting thrown or voted out will we win.


Edited by SWesternTrapper (02/21/17 02:09 PM)

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#5821890 - 02/21/17 02:19 PM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
adam m Offline
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TravC, see above comments.
You're right SWT. I thought there was some other consortia too.

Hopefully it gets stalled or tossed out. Our other hope is the SJR15 with the amendment to add trapping to it. SRJ15 is a constitutional amendment to make hunting and fishing a right

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#5822239 - 02/21/17 08:44 PM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
Tom Fisher Offline
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Iam not sure what or how this will go ---------what I do know is it ain't over we seem to be in a draw the wackos have an in with the committee these people will not be satisfied until we are legally out of the picture. One of my character flaws or attributes is that I'am stubborn!

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#5825263 - 02/24/17 11:49 AM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
Tom Fisher Offline
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We need phone calls to the committee to bury this

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#5825337 - 02/24/17 01:20 PM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
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I agree with your last 2 comments Tom.

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#5825406 - 02/24/17 03:12 PM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
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I'm a former resident and am considering moving back.I wrote a letter,stating that fact, to the committee members and got an auto reply from Liz.Stefanics@nmlegis.gov. Hopefully it helps
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#5836177 - 03/05/17 10:20 PM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
adam m Offline
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I was looking to see if any of the bills mentioned were on scheduled for tomorrow and it looks like SJR15 is on the schedule for tomorrow morning. I hope they add the amendment to add trap(ping) to it. SJR15 is to make Hunting fishing and harvest wildlife a state right. I emailed the sponsor and others to add trap(ping) to the SJR.

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#5837086 - 03/06/17 09:00 PM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
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If they don't add it im afraid it will do nothing for trapping
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#5837156 - 03/06/17 09:56 PM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
adam m Offline
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I tried the recorded webcast and in that 3 hr meeting they didn't talk about half of the items scheduled. Not sure if they didn't make it back from lunch.

TravC, I was looking at it again and it might save trapping which is included under 2 key phrases used in the SJR: "harvest wildlife" & "traditional means and methods". I think those phrases although vague might be helpful.

For those that want to look at SJR15 I pasted it below, which is very short. I bolded and underlined one particular sentence.

SENATE JOINT RESOLUTION 15
53rd legislature - STATE OF NEW MEXICO - first session, 2017
INTRODUCED BY
George K. Munoz





A JOINT RESOLUTION
PROPOSING AN AMENDMENT TO ARTICLE 2 OF THE CONSTITUTION OF NEW MEXICO BY ADDING A NEW SECTION TO PROTECT THE RIGHT TO HUNT AND FISH.

BE IT RESOLVED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO:
SECTION 1. It is proposed to amend Article 2 of the constitution of New Mexico by adding a new section to read:
"A. The residents of New Mexico have a right to hunt, fish and harvest wildlife lawfully. Wildlife belongs to this state and is held in trust for the benefit of the residents of this state.
B. Exclusive authority to enact laws to regulate the manner, methods or seasons for hunting, fishing and harvesting wildlife is vested in the legislature, which may delegate rulemaking authority to the state game commission. No law shall be enacted and no rule shall be adopted that unreasonably restricts hunting, fishing and harvesting wildlife or the use of traditional means and methods. Laws and rules authorized under this section shall have the purpose of wildlife conservation and management and preserving the future of hunting and fishing.
C. Lawful public wildlife harvesting and fishing shall be a preferred means of managing and controlling wildlife.
D. This section shall not be construed to modify any provision of common law or statutes relating to trespass or property rights."
SECTION 2. The amendment proposed by this resolution shall be submitted to the people for their approval or rejection at the next general election or at any special election prior to that date that may be called for that purpose.


Edited by adam m (03/06/17 09:59 PM)

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#5837426 - 03/07/17 09:14 AM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
SWesternTrapper Offline
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SB267 being heard today at 8:00am room 311 3/7/17: If passed COYOTES AND SKUNKS TO BECOME FURBEARERS


Edited by SWesternTrapper (03/07/17 09:14 AM)

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#5837439 - 03/07/17 09:28 AM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
adam m Offline
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Thanks. Tried pulling it up. Looks like they will be starting at 830.

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#5837462 - 03/07/17 09:58 AM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
SWesternTrapper Offline
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Did they call it but sponsor was no show?

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#5837480 - 03/07/17 10:21 AM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
adam m Offline
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That's what I thought. I'm gonna check out the Web cast again later.

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#5837523 - 03/07/17 11:07 AM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
SWesternTrapper Offline
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Adam it Didnt pass right?

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#5837575 - 03/07/17 11:44 AM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
adam m Offline
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No clue yet. Was checking my line. I'm gonna pull up the video later

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#5837634 - 03/07/17 12:45 PM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
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Watched it going an the road seemed like they tabled it
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#5837636 - 03/07/17 12:49 PM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
adam m Offline
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just finished watching it. It was tabled.

The opposition was solid and our G&F Director did a great job. As well as the NMTA. He did a great job.

For those who want to watch it below is the link the bill in question starts around 9:26 and lasts roughly half an hour.

http://sg001-harmony.sliq.net/00293/Harmony/en/PowerBrowser/PowerBrowserV2/20170307/-1/32533


Edited by adam m (03/07/17 02:07 PM)

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#5837969 - 03/07/17 05:37 PM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
adam m Offline
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Not sure where it was heard today, but the radio said SB268 Yote contests Ban has moved to the senate floor. Sure enough I looked and it shows SB268 is now at the senate but yet to be scheduled:(

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#5837979 - 03/07/17 05:50 PM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
adam m Offline
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I hope this is true. While looking on a local tv stations update regarding the yote contests i found an article dated 2/21/17 (the same day the anti-trapping bill was last heard) the sponsor (Pete Campos) withdrew the bill (SB268). However looking on the nmlegis site the bill shows it is still at the Senate Conservation Comm.


http://www.kob.com/new-mexico-news/new-mexico-lawmaker-withdraws-bill-to-ban-wildlife-traps/4406099/

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#5838988 - 03/08/17 05:04 PM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
SWesternTrapper Offline
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I just called Santa Fa and they said it still active and in the committee


Edited by SWesternTrapper (03/08/17 05:04 PM)

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#5839010 - 03/08/17 05:36 PM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
Tom Fisher Offline
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The bill to reclassify the coyote and skunk has been killed #267 RIP

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#5839065 - 03/08/17 06:31 PM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
adam m Offline
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Thanks SWT and Tom I appreciate it.

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#5847326 - 03/15/17 04:49 PM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
adam m Offline
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268 is now headed to the house floor before it's final stop at the governors desk. frown just an FYI there's non profits that hold yote calling contests to raise funds for various causes/people. Kids with cancer, adults with cancer, fallen officers, disabled vets, give big game hunts to various people etc...and they don't keep a penny.

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#5850731 - 03/19/17 09:43 AM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
Tom Fisher Offline
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According to the House floor calendar the Calling bill #268 did NOT pass or wasn't voted on so we won every fight! Thanks to all and to Paul for keeping this at the top, looking forward to next season and the next set instead of wondering what foolishness Sante Fe has conjured up!

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#5878957 - 04/17/17 12:41 PM Re: NEW MEXICO TRAPPING UNDER ATTACK [Re: Steve Swarner]
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Nice
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