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#5865571 - 04/03/17 01:10 PM C.I.T.E.S. Lawsuit Alert Request for Public Commen
remrogers Offline
trapper

Registered: 03/11/07
Posts: 628
Loc: NW Oregon
Email from National Trappers Association pasted here


C.I.T.E.S. Lawsuit Alert Request for Public Comments
**Please note time sensitive** The USFWS posted a draft EA with 4 alternatives to the Federal Register for comment on March 10, 2017, with comments due back by April 10, 2017.
** You may want to forward to your local DNR **

----------Please Read ----------
This is critically important to the future of Bobcat and Otter Trapping!
There is a lawsuit, that if successful, could end the export of bobcats and otters!
Again, It is important that you read this e-mail and provide comments at the link provided. Take the time to leave your comments. You can be assured, the Anti's will be leaving their comments!
WildEarth Guardians sued the USFWS in Montana District Court arguing that the USFWS has not appropriately considered the environmental impacts of the CITES furbearer export program pursuant to NEPA. The lawsuit specifically references export of bobcat, lynx, river otter, gray wolves, and brown bears. The USFWS had previously concluded that the CITES export program was categorically excluded from NEPA review. As part of a stay agreement issued by the Court, the USFWS agreed to prepare an EA on the CITES export program for furbearers, solicit comments through the Federal Register, issue a final analysis and decision, confer with the Plaintiffs, and then file a report to the Court asking the complaint be either dismissed or continued.
The USFWS posted a draft EA with 4 alternatives to the Federal Register for comment on March 10, 2017, with comments due back by April 10, 2017.
The EA document can be downloaded at: https://www.regulations.gov/document?D=FWS-HQ-IA-2017-0012-0002
Other information can be accessed here https://www.regulations.gov/document?D=FWS-HQ-IA-2017-0012-0001.
The 4 alternatives (starting on page 9) are:
1. Alternative 1, the "preferred action" alternative/"No action" alterative: Continues the CITES Export Program in its current form.
1. Alternative 2, the "no tag" alternative

2. Alternative 3, the "no permit" alterative: no export of CITES species allowed.

3. Alternative 4, the "no approved CITES export program" alternative: Individuals would apply for permits on a case-by-case basis with USFWS for each specimen to be exported

To comment: https://www.regulations.gov/docket?D=FWS-HQ-IA-2017-0012 and click the "Comment Now" button.
The key messages can include:
1) Support for Alternative One/the preferred alternative of "no action". This would maintain the current tagging process and allow for the continued export of otters and bobcats.
2) Comments should primarily focus on ways to further support the conclusions in the draft, specifically why the current export program has not caused negative environmental/economic consequences, and why alternatives 3 and 4 are more likely to do so.
a. Trapping and hunting is highly regulated; trapping and hunting seasons are established to assure long-term sustainability of bobcat and otter populations. States are the wildlife management authority for these species and have monitoring programs in place to assure sustainable populations.
b. Since the current export program was established, otter and bobcat population size and occupied range has increased in the United States. For example, otters occur in all states where they historically did, and 46 of 47 states have indicated stable to increasing otter populations.
c. The current system (tags/alternative 1) is a success story and an example of collaborative safeguards put in place by state agencies and USFWS, with cooperation from trappers. This success story does not need to be fixed, especially through alternative 3 and 5.
d. Loss of the export market (under Alternative 3) or higher costs/burden of individual export permits (Alternative 4) will have negative economic consequences to trappers, hunters, supply dealers, hunting guides, etc...
e. Loss or higher cost/burden of export will result in declines in trapper participation and higher public costs for addressing wildlife conflicts. Certain species are often trapped together (e.g., otters and beavers, bobcats and coyotes), and a loss in export potential for CITES species will lead to increases in human-wildlife conflicts (e.g., aquaculture, flooding of roads/agriculture/private property, livestock depredation)
3) While some may prefer Alternative 2 (no tags), we believe this is "not the time to make that case." A previous AFWA CITES Work Group discussed this idea with the various national trapping associations, state furbearer biologists, and fur dealers/fur auction houses and concluded this option was not feasible at the time due to opposition from fur buyers and fur auction houses due to increased paperwork/reporting on their end.
4) You are encouraged to provide personalized arguments in support of the draft's conclusion (i.e., NOT form letters containing the exact verbiage above). Multiple comments submitted with exact wording will not be treated by the USFWS as separate comments.

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#5865586 - 04/03/17 01:33 PM Re: C.I.T.E.S. Lawsuit Alert Request for Public Commen [Re: remrogers]
J Staton Offline
trapper

Registered: 08/11/12
Posts: 2177
Loc: Arkansas
Done.

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#5865612 - 04/03/17 02:34 PM Re: C.I.T.E.S. Lawsuit Alert Request for Public Commen [Re: remrogers]
coydog2 Offline
trapper

Registered: 05/17/10
Posts: 1315
Loc: Iowa
Done
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#5865635 - 04/03/17 03:19 PM Re: C.I.T.E.S. Lawsuit Alert Request for Public Commen [Re: remrogers]
Mike in A-town Offline
trapper

Registered: 09/29/13
Posts: 4460
Loc: Northeast Oklahoma
Done.

Mike
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#5865661 - 04/03/17 04:10 PM Re: C.I.T.E.S. Lawsuit Alert Request for Public Commen [Re: remrogers]
Larry Baer Offline
trapper

Registered: 08/22/11
Posts: 522
Loc: Peoria County Illinois
Done

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#5865700 - 04/03/17 05:03 PM Re: C.I.T.E.S. Lawsuit Alert Request for Public Commen [Re: remrogers]
WIMarshRAT Offline
trapper

Registered: 02/06/13
Posts: 1962
Loc: WI
It is vital that everyone take a little time to comment.

Here is a little reminder. They were working on delisting grizzle bears and when it went to comment(just like we are now), sportsmen didn't take the time to comment and it set back the delisting efforts because the antis showed up and flooded the register with comments. Just can't afford to take these things for granted anymore.
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#5865765 - 04/03/17 06:17 PM Re: C.I.T.E.S. Lawsuit Alert Request for Public Commen [Re: remrogers]
Mudslinger39 Offline
trapper

Registered: 03/12/16
Posts: 181
Loc: Las cruces New Mexico
Done

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#5865774 - 04/03/17 06:26 PM Re: C.I.T.E.S. Lawsuit Alert Request for Public Commen [Re: remrogers]
cmcf Offline
trapper

Registered: 10/25/15
Posts: 1093
Loc: Wyoming
Gotter did.(done)

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#5865786 - 04/03/17 06:41 PM Re: C.I.T.E.S. Lawsuit Alert Request for Public Commen [Re: remrogers]
trapper234 Offline
trapper

Registered: 01/14/07
Posts: 316
Loc: Perkinstown,, Wisconsin
To comment: https://www.regulations.gov/docket?D=FWS-HQ-IA-2017-0012 and click the “Comment Now” button.

Done
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#5865803 - 04/03/17 06:53 PM Re: C.I.T.E.S. Lawsuit Alert Request for Public Commen [Re: remrogers]
Raptortrapper Offline
trapper

Registered: 12/28/16
Posts: 630
Loc: Colorado
Did Gotter.
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Why do I carry 10mm? Because shooting twice is just silly.

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#5865838 - 04/03/17 07:19 PM Re: C.I.T.E.S. Lawsuit Alert Request for Public Commen [Re: WIMarshRAT]
SNIPERBBB Offline
trapper

Registered: 12/26/06
Posts: 6237
Loc: Rodney,Ohio
Originally Posted By: WIMarshRAT
It is vital that everyone take a little time to comment.

Here is a little reminder. They were working on delisting grizzle bears and when it went to comment(just like we are now), sportsmen didn't take the time to comment and it set back the delisting efforts because the antis showed up and flooded the register with comments. Just can't afford to take these things for granted anymore.


We are trying to get a season on bobcats here. This defintely would not be helpful. We just sent an email blast out on the OSTA e-news.

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#5865843 - 04/03/17 07:27 PM Re: C.I.T.E.S. Lawsuit Alert Request for Public Commen [Re: remrogers]
kabguy Offline
trapper

Registered: 01/05/12
Posts: 12
Loc: Northern Minnesota
Done; added comments supporting option one; it was easy. Takes a couple minutes guys and it is important for the future.

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#5865871 - 04/03/17 07:51 PM Re: C.I.T.E.S. Lawsuit Alert Request for Public Commen [Re: remrogers]
TNFrenchy Offline
trapper

Registered: 01/29/17
Posts: 12
Loc: Tennessee
Done

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#5865953 - 04/03/17 08:38 PM Re: C.I.T.E.S. Lawsuit Alert Request for Public Commen [Re: remrogers]
arcman Offline
trapper

Registered: 11/13/10
Posts: 100
Loc: Iowa
Done.
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"Yeah Henry. Yeah, it's up there.. A whole valley full of prime beaver. A man could live easy the rest of his days."


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#5866029 - 04/03/17 09:25 PM Re: C.I.T.E.S. Lawsuit Alert Request for Public Commen [Re: remrogers]
JDYoungblood Offline
trapper

Registered: 10/28/12
Posts: 1120
Loc: Southwest Arkansas
Done and doner
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If there's a question of responsibility, it is yours.-RE
Member NTA, FTA, SWARFT, ATA

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#5866044 - 04/03/17 09:35 PM Re: C.I.T.E.S. Lawsuit Alert Request for Public Commen [Re: remrogers]
Jmack Offline
trapper

Registered: 12/09/12
Posts: 229
Loc: S E Idaho
Done.
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#5866110 - 04/03/17 10:55 PM Re: C.I.T.E.S. Lawsuit Alert Request for Public Commen [Re: remrogers]
red mt Offline
trapper

Registered: 10/15/14
Posts: 2279
Loc: montana
Dider
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#5866297 - 04/04/17 08:07 AM Re: C.I.T.E.S. Lawsuit Alert Request for Public Commen [Re: remrogers]
huntr6 Offline
trapper

Registered: 12/26/10
Posts: 102
Loc: southeast texas
Done
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#5866349 - 04/04/17 09:05 AM Re: C.I.T.E.S. Lawsuit Alert Request for Public Commen [Re: remrogers]
bhugo Offline
trapper

Registered: 05/08/07
Posts: 927
Loc: Flint, Michigan
Done
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#5866413 - 04/04/17 10:17 AM Re: C.I.T.E.S. Lawsuit Alert Request for Public Commen [Re: remrogers]
DROCK Offline
trapper

Registered: 04/06/13
Posts: 200
Loc: Southern NY
done

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#5866899 - 04/04/17 07:06 PM Re: C.I.T.E.S. Lawsuit Alert Request for Public Commen [Re: remrogers]
dustytinner Offline
trapper

Registered: 08/02/13
Posts: 305
Loc: Money Creek, MN
Done
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#5866900 - 04/04/17 07:08 PM Re: C.I.T.E.S. Lawsuit Alert Request for Public Commen [Re: remrogers]
GomerPyle746 Offline
trapper

Registered: 05/17/10
Posts: 897
Loc: Salem, OR
Done

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#5866935 - 04/04/17 07:37 PM Re: C.I.T.E.S. Lawsuit Alert Request for Public Commen [Re: remrogers]
forestman3 Offline
trapper

Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 961
Loc: Huntingdon Co. Pa.
Done

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#5867763 - 04/05/17 03:11 PM Re: C.I.T.E.S. Lawsuit Alert Request for Public Commen [Re: remrogers]
yruiz Offline
trapper

Registered: 12/31/14
Posts: 67
Loc: Western Colorado
Done

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#5867942 - 04/05/17 06:34 PM Re: C.I.T.E.S. Lawsuit Alert Request for Public Commen [Re: remrogers]
loosanarrow Offline
trapper

Registered: 03/02/14
Posts: 84
Loc: Lakes Region Indiana
Done.

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#5868103 - 04/05/17 08:42 PM Re: C.I.T.E.S. Lawsuit Alert Request for Public Commen [Re: remrogers]
Inveigle Offline
trapper

Registered: 01/12/15
Posts: 14
Loc: Virgina
Done.

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#5868111 - 04/05/17 08:47 PM Re: C.I.T.E.S. Lawsuit Alert Request for Public Commen [Re: remrogers]
Deer Offline
trapper

Registered: 12/27/06
Posts: 278
Loc: WI
I did it

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#5868376 - 04/06/17 06:49 AM Re: C.I.T.E.S. Lawsuit Alert Request for Public Commen [Re: remrogers]
yaaintdeadyet Offline
trapper

Registered: 08/29/12
Posts: 59
Loc: Arizona
Thanks for taking the time, effort and concern to post this rem. I'm going to cut/paste the body of your submission to the Southwest Fur Harvesters facebook page. Southwest Fur Harvesters Association

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#5869072 - 04/06/17 07:37 PM Re: C.I.T.E.S. Lawsuit Alert Request for Public Commen [Re: remrogers]
ottertrapper Offline
trapper

Registered: 12/22/06
Posts: 2725
Loc: Michigan, United States
Done

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#5871484 - 04/09/17 05:15 AM Re: C.I.T.E.S. Lawsuit Alert Request for Public Commen [Re: remrogers]
Trapper Dahlgren Offline
trapper

Registered: 06/15/16
Posts: 664
Loc: Michigan
done

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#5872893 - 04/10/17 02:13 PM Re: C.I.T.E.S. Lawsuit Alert Request for Public Commen [Re: remrogers]
Dash1714 Offline
trapper

Registered: 07/10/11
Posts: 123
Loc: Wyoming USA
DONE
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#5873308 - 04/10/17 10:03 PM Re: C.I.T.E.S. Lawsuit Alert Request for Public Commen [Re: remrogers]
kansaskoons Offline
trapper

Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 1291
Loc: Kansas
Done, everyone needs to chime in!
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watch out, I may be the JACK that WADS you up......

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#5873612 - 04/11/17 09:45 AM Re: C.I.T.E.S. Lawsuit Alert Request for Public Commen [Re: remrogers]
Buck (Zandra) Offline
trapper

Registered: 05/01/11
Posts: 325
Loc: Garden,Michigan
Done
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#5874081 - 04/11/17 07:07 PM Re: C.I.T.E.S. Lawsuit Alert Request for Public Commen [Re: remrogers]
SNIPERBBB Offline
trapper

Registered: 12/26/06
Posts: 6237
Loc: Rodney,Ohio
Didnt see too many ARA responses, but only about 600 comments period however

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#5875077 - 04/12/17 07:56 PM Re: C.I.T.E.S. Lawsuit Alert Request for Public Commen [Re: remrogers]
billy Offline
trapper

Registered: 02/29/08
Posts: 30
Loc: UP of Michigan
comment period ended 4/10 cant find wher I can reply, wish I had found this earlier
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#5876871 - 04/14/17 06:47 PM Re: C.I.T.E.S. Lawsuit Alert Request for Public Commen [Re: remrogers]
remrogers Offline
trapper

Registered: 03/11/07
Posts: 628
Loc: NW Oregon
There have been nearly 2200 views of this post and yet there only 605 comments and not all in our favor. Please leave a comment in support of alternative #1, even if you don't trap cats. If there are more restrictions, there will be more to follow and it will intimately affect you and your trapping.

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#5878192 - 04/16/17 11:49 AM Re: C.I.T.E.S. Lawsuit Alert Request for Public Commen [Re: remrogers]
Yoters Offline
trapper

Registered: 09/22/14
Posts: 51
Loc: New York
I had left my message awhile back. Hopefully we make it through. Stand together or lose everything!

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#5880832 - 04/19/17 10:55 AM Re: C.I.T.E.S. Lawsuit Alert Request for Public Commen [Re: remrogers]
Trapper7 Offline
trapper

Registered: 12/27/06
Posts: 4238
Loc: MN, Land of 10,000 Lakes
I tried, but it said comments were closed.
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