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#5924133 - 06/10/17 08:36 AM Sometimes Patience with Chucks Pays Off
Jim Comstock Offline
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Registered: 02/11/11
Posts: 90
Loc: New York
When I hear about ADC companies that offer a mere 3-5 days of trapping or have a deadline of any kind, I cringe as they are surely not doing the most they can do for the customer to solve the problem and bring closure. I am currently working on a job with a single positive set that exceeded the longest time I had previously left sets in place before, which was 36 days. In that case I caught 6 chucks, the last on day 36, making the point that patience was very much warranted. We are now at day 52 at another location, which to many might seem like a waste, but not so. Caught chuck number 5 yesterday in the single set. In places where there were litters the previous year that dispersed, they can and will return after many days, many days apart. If there is a garden in place it only takes one day for it to get ravaged, so in some cases leaving a set in place will help to guard the garden and make you some bucks too. Had to wait 30 days on one chuck last year. The neighbor had been harassing it with a bb gun which may have been the reason for the long dry spell. The range of catching is wide. Got 4 chucks yesterday that ranged from a 1 hour set to catch, seven days for a first, seven days for a second and 51 days for a fifth. They are all different, so its a judgement call as for duration that comes from experience, location, surroundings and situation. While the one hour catch set got pulled in one hour, the 52 day set it still working. And, with positive sets non-targets are minimal. With 11 chucks at the the sets that were in place a total of 88 days we only got one skunk and one possum.

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#5924168 - 06/10/17 09:53 AM Re: Sometimes Patience with Chucks Pays Off [Re: Jim Comstock]
Bob Jameson Offline


Registered: 12/25/06
Posts: 3015
Loc: SW Pa
We sell a trapping program long enough to clean out the den occupation then sell them a barrier job. Chuck dens will be visited for a long time by past occupants and litter mates that are familiar with the site. So you can potentially have long term activity at any given open den site for weeks and months during their active time periods of the year.

Nothing is more attractive then a pretty gal other then a vacant dig out under a deck or shed.Every short legged mammal is going to check it out sooner or later.

There are many dollars to be made installing barrier wire for sheds and decks. We sell about 80% of our proposals when we do our trapping programs. Some call for the barrier after the second go round, others just want them trapped as needed. Its all good and I will do what ever they ask that suits them the best.

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#5924199 - 06/10/17 11:40 AM Re: Sometimes Patience with Chucks Pays Off [Re: Jim Comstock]
BigBob Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 13362
Loc: St. Louis Co, Mo
Now that's true customer service. Kudo's.
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#5924242 - 06/10/17 01:01 PM Re: Sometimes Patience with Chucks Pays Off [Re: Jim Comstock]
Jim Comstock Offline
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Registered: 02/11/11
Posts: 90
Loc: New York
Hadn't thought about an extra charge for long term care other than the income from the additional catches, which have so far been intermittently steady which justifies leaving a trap. I figure the investment in the cage at a positive set that requires almost no maintenance is making more money than $100 dollars sitting in the bank. Just need to make sure you have a few traps to use for the long term. It doesn't seem like much, but even as little as I charge per animal mounts up over time with 4 to 7 catches at some of the locations. In the end I like to feel like I did something for a customer, solved a problem and earned the money rather than pick up the traps and leave it as "we tried" as I know some do. Its a judgement call at each location, some traps are picked up in minutes, other weeks or months. The last thing I want to hear is a sad story about a returning chuck that destroyed the garden a few days after I left.

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#5924259 - 06/10/17 01:38 PM Re: Sometimes Patience with Chucks Pays Off [Re: Jim Comstock]
Michigan Trappin Offline
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Registered: 05/20/14
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Loc: MI
Yep. If I haven't caught the critter, my trap stays until the customer says its gone. And in those situations I tell the customer that there is no set up fee if the critter returns and they want me to trap again

If the target animals are removed and later they want another type animal trapped, new set up fee
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#5924704 - 06/11/17 06:59 AM Re: Sometimes Patience with Chucks Pays Off [Re: Jim Comstock]
Jim Comstock Offline
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Registered: 02/11/11
Posts: 90
Loc: New York
Ditto on the reset. If I leave without a catch and the critter comes back I do a reset without the set up fee. And then of course I just charge per trip or per animal after that, a very fair deal for the customer that all have utilized when this has happened, all but one. Had one call me back this year on the reset deal. Said I'd be glad to reset no charge, but restated that of course he would be charged for what I caught. He then came back, "oh I thought it was free, forget it." Go figure. Guess I could have offered to top out his tank and take him to breakfast. No help for some. Guess you can't take too seriously. On the lighter side, can't think of how many times I've said to a client, "but why did you do that?"

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#5924710 - 06/11/17 07:39 AM Re: Sometimes Patience with Chucks Pays Off [Re: Jim Comstock]
MChewk Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 4587
Loc: Northern Illinois
Gotta ask...what you do when the customer forgets to check or leaves town ....doesn't communicate with you? It happens...law can be pretty specific on these situations.

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#5924855 - 06/11/17 11:42 AM Re: Sometimes Patience with Chucks Pays Off [Re: Jim Comstock]
Jim Comstock Offline
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Registered: 02/11/11
Posts: 90
Loc: New York
I make sure to inform people that traps must be checked at least once daily and to contact me immediately if there is a catch. If they are not going to be available to check traps they are told to call me so that traps can either be fired or picked up until they can check.

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#5924910 - 06/11/17 01:15 PM Re: Sometimes Patience with Chucks Pays Off [Re: Jim Comstock]
MChewk Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 4587
Loc: Northern Illinois
Thanks Jim, I operate the same way....BUT there have been those occasions.....just wondering AND throwing this out for the new guys just starting off.

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#5925141 - 06/11/17 06:48 PM Re: Sometimes Patience with Chucks Pays Off [Re: Jim Comstock]
Jim Bethell Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 941
Loc: Woodhull, Illinois 74
We usually tell the customer to call us by 9:00 am. If they don't call, we check the traps and charge a trip fee.

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#5925610 - 06/12/17 07:50 AM Re: Sometimes Patience with Chucks Pays Off [Re: Jim Comstock]
Jim Comstock Offline
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Registered: 02/11/11
Posts: 90
Loc: New York
Very important to have the calls come in early for sure, the earlier the better, especially on nocturnal animals like skunks. The customer is told to call as early as they can, no time being too early. The machine will have the message. Think I will incorporate the checking with a fee if they don't call by a given time, especially in out of the way places, good idea. I've been a bit lax in that area by not imposing deadlines and then have to suffer at times with a late call that adds miles and potentially unnecessary additional travel time in backtracking.

With that said, since woodchucks are diurnal, traps can be checked at 8:15 with no action, but make a catch not long after a check. Though the chuck may be out and feeding at 6:00 a.m., he may decide to move to the next yard where you have set your traps later in the morning. Shortly after a check and a call with an "all clear," a customer working in the yard will notice a chuck in a trap at 10:45 that was not there at 8:00, which is not uncommon. No way to beat that one. It does mess up a day sometimes when trying to consolidate trips when the calls are staggered, while trying to group locations in all four directions, but you just can't trust a woodchuck anyway. Sometimes getting to sites later in the day saves some trips as the calls with daytime catches trickle in. Often times while picking up chucks I will get calls in the same areas about chucks just captured. Since chucks will feed morning and evening commonly and even mid day, if they move around its anybody's bet when they will get caught.

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#5925634 - 06/12/17 08:26 AM Re: Sometimes Patience with Chucks Pays Off [Re: Jim Comstock]
MChewk Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 4587
Loc: Northern Illinois
Good stuff Mr. Bethell....as we have two Jims here...might have to incorporate that...but as Mr. Comstock mentioned, at times all our efficient time planning goes out the window especially with 'chucks.

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#5925877 - 06/12/17 03:49 PM Re: Sometimes Patience with Chucks Pays Off [Re: Jim Bethell]
BigBob Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 13362
Loc: St. Louis Co, Mo
Originally Posted By: Jim Bethell
We usually tell the customer to call us by 9:00 am. If they don't call, we check the traps and charge a trip fee.

Hmmmm, Smart, I like it!
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#5926488 - 06/13/17 07:00 AM Re: Sometimes Patience with Chucks Pays Off [Re: Jim Comstock]
Jonesie Offline
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Registered: 08/08/07
Posts: 721
Loc: Monroeville NJ
In my area it is not uncommon for the ground hog to go to the next door shed /deck/ foundation 100 feet away as soon as a cage is set. For the past 10 years we first set a cage, the hog most times will get caught fast, but if the hog takes off (The 20 % concept) we remove the cage, and set a Cable restraint. Most times the ground hog will come back in about 5 days from the cage being removed. As long as there is a ground hog there we are there. But like Jim stated there are a few jobs every season that we have to wait them out. Of course with the average yard size here in NJ less than a 1/4 acre and all having sheds and decks there are plenty of places for the ground hog to go and to see ground hogs in every one of the yards with in eye sight. And no, our cable caught hogs are not dead, and we do not catch non targets like cats once in a while we will get a coon or skunks
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#5926574 - 06/13/17 08:31 AM Re: Sometimes Patience with Chucks Pays Off [Re: Jim Comstock]
Jim Comstock Offline
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Registered: 02/11/11
Posts: 90
Loc: New York
We don't catch much for non-targets either, but.... Just had one where the neighbor said there are cats in the area, lots of them. "Think you will catch a cat?" they asked. I told them it surely was possible. Actually got 3, all in the same den hole positive set using a 24 inch double door cage trap. This one actually had a double trigger so the cat had to go way into the hole to trip both. Cats like fresh dirt for litter and may have smelled each other. Have caught the odd cat, but 3 was a first, of course no bait or lure at the den.

Hey Jonesy, love to watch you wrangle a snared skunk. Never have done that. Can almost smell it from here.

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#5926597 - 06/13/17 08:51 AM Re: Sometimes Patience with Chucks Pays Off [Re: Jim Comstock]
Jonesie Offline
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Registered: 08/08/07
Posts: 721
Loc: Monroeville NJ
LOL 95 % of the time I can cut them free and not have a problem, as long as they are calm or older skunks. 5% well lets just say it's not fun LOL The last one got me 5 times be fore I got mad and just jerked it out of the hole by the tail LOL The whole area knew about that one with all the noise and smell LOL If I suspect skunks are also using the den hole along with the hogs, Long white or black hair and small prints in the dirt are good indications LOL I most of the time will not set a cr or if I do I make the bottom of the loop a full 6 off the ground. 4 inches is a def skunk catcher LOL
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#5928412 - 06/15/17 08:04 AM Re: Sometimes Patience with Chucks Pays Off [Re: Jim Comstock]
Jim Comstock Offline
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Registered: 02/11/11
Posts: 90
Loc: New York
Love to hear the stories. Figured that you had to have a time or two that you ended up with a noticeable aroma, tell tale yellow dots that do stain. Know what you mean about getting a little frustrated and impatient when getting sprayed. Once you get nailed the first time, it really doesn't make much difference if he gets you again. I just want it over with, so let her rip.

Got a call on a chuck a minute ago. After setting they had construction going on in the back yard so the chuck was absent. The woman asked to leave the trap, so we did. The construction guys left and the chuck returned, 14 days later. I don't like to leave a lot of traps at these long term locations, most often just one like today. Don't want to tie up a bunch of gear for extended periods.

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#5928469 - 06/15/17 09:12 AM Re: Sometimes Patience with Chucks Pays Off [Re: Jim Comstock]
Jonesie Offline
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Registered: 08/08/07
Posts: 721
Loc: Monroeville NJ
The only good thing about being sprayed is with in a min I don't smell it any more LOL

Groundhogs can move from den site to den site based on food , pressure and other factors only known to them. last week I was standing on a porch talking to a customer about her groundhogs and a mole job. I had just set the mole traps and she was wondering if she should do anything about the grounds hogs. As we was talking here comes mom ground hog and 6 young from her back yard, they go across the street and kept going out of sight the small woodlot LOL I looked at the customer and with a smile I said I suggest that maybe you hold off on the ground hogs LOL
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#5929128 - 06/15/17 09:38 PM Re: Sometimes Patience with Chucks Pays Off [Re: Jim Comstock]
Jim Comstock Offline
trapper

Registered: 02/11/11
Posts: 90
Loc: New York
I can't smell skunk spray after a minute either, but it seems everyone else can. LOL. Judy sure can. What do you bet the lady sees those chucks again? That's why I have a job this year at one spot, the chucks left last year and came back this year one at a time.

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#5929228 - 06/16/17 04:43 AM Re: Sometimes Patience with Chucks Pays Off [Re: Jim Comstock]
sgs Offline
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Registered: 11/10/09
Posts: 760
Loc: NH
I've found that den sites will be visited by many animals for years after being trapped out and even excluded. The same thing goes for travel routes. Once a route is established, succeeding generations of many species will keep using it until it is completely altered and made unusable.

I deal with far more skunks than chucks but I give my customers "the talk" no matter what animal is the issue. I can clean out the present occupants but more will come. Make the place as inhospitable to them as you can but learn to live with them to whatever degree you can. Once your house, deck, garage, shed and yard are bulletproof you'll just be left with the ones passing through on the travel route.

If I leave a trap set, will I (sooner or later) catch another animal? Of course. Nature is, if nothing else, persistent. lol

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#5929238 - 06/16/17 05:41 AM Re: Sometimes Patience with Chucks Pays Off [Re: Jim Comstock]
Jonesie Offline
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Registered: 08/08/07
Posts: 721
Loc: Monroeville NJ
With skunks and ground hogs in my area, and every area is different, We can not make it bulletproof. Skunks and ground hogs like edges. Every yard is lot 1/4 acre to 3 acres that is fenced in with landscaping along those fences. big trees that have the hollow hole at the bottom. raised flower beds and the list goes on. The skunks love this habitat and the hog well he will just dig a den in the middle of the yard just like in a hay field. So I am blessed I guess, with this problem LOL Every day we get hog calls, not every one is sold but we get a lot of calls. Where once I was the squirrel man, now the ground hogs have taken over or at least running neck and neck with them, and it is because of the yard habitats, Landscape is habitat, and the yard is a better habitat with less natural mortality. here is a pic of a middle of the yard den as well as under the shed so all the proofing does not matter here LOL
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#5929247 - 06/16/17 06:05 AM Re: Sometimes Patience with Chucks Pays Off [Re: Jim Comstock]
sgs Offline
trapper

Registered: 11/10/09
Posts: 760
Loc: NH
Yes, I use the term "bulletproof" advisedly. It is a concept to be approached but seldom, if ever, achieved.

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#5929312 - 06/16/17 07:48 AM Re: Sometimes Patience with Chucks Pays Off [Re: Jim Comstock]
Jim Comstock Offline
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Registered: 02/11/11
Posts: 90
Loc: New York
As a kid I hunted chucks in farmers fields, not in town of course, but now they are not only in suburbia, but downtown and in heavily wooded areas with only small lawns where I never knew chucks to be. I often wonder if the well meaning have released them in woodlots near homes because the chuck issue seems to be almost epidemic, something for which I certainly have no complaints. I couldn't finish the last sentence before the phone rang, woodchuck. I should ask the state what their records indicate for number of chucks taken annually, increasing?

If a client has an open "clean" level yard with only one shed that can be excluded, they might be a good candidate for making the yard inhospitable. However, if there are chucks in all of the surrounding neighborhoods and their yard has a flower or vegetable gardens I think it's sometimes best to leave everything as is so that the same holes can easily be located and reset year after year when chucks do return. Like beaver, chucks seem to gravitate to the same spots when they do return. And though beaver and chucks will come back to the same exact spots time after time, it might not be every year or even every other year. Just have to deal with them as they show up.

I'm always amazed that chucks will dig out an old hole, easily finding a hole that was "totally filled in and leveled."

Back to patience. I had trapped a location for several weeks this year, perhaps a month, catching 3. I was hoping to be done, just wanted to be done there actually, after catching the last in a foothold. Just got the call that another has showed up so I have to go back, something that doesn't usually happen because I don't usually leave. I guess that's why sometimes it's best to leave sets for many weeks as chucks just keep coming. Just saves resetting. With these long term setting locations, if cage trapping, double door cage traps are a must. When a chuck suddenly appears in a trap after two weeks I'm going to guess he didn't just pop up out of the hole.

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#5929692 - 06/16/17 08:06 PM Re: Sometimes Patience with Chucks Pays Off [Re: Jim Comstock]
Jonesie Offline
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Registered: 08/08/07
Posts: 721
Loc: Monroeville NJ
My hogs will start to disperse here in a few weeks. With August into Sept being the biggest movement. It is not uncommon for me to take 4 or 5 ground hogs over a few weeks from these spots that have 1 ground hog then 5 plus days another show up and so on. when the area has a established population around. All kinds of reasons make the hogs move around.
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#5930947 - 06/18/17 08:00 PM Re: Sometimes Patience with Chucks Pays Off [Re: Jim Comstock]
Jim Comstock Offline
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Registered: 02/11/11
Posts: 90
Loc: New York
Finally got a call for a female chuck with a litter. The lady saw 4 so I set 5 positive sets, 3 at the house and 2 at the shed. Got to get lucky once in a while. Got them all in a few hours as I was lucky enough to put the correct number of sets at each spot. Left a few sets one more day upon request. Nothing. At least with mom and kids there usually isn't any waiting. Nice to set and pull.

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#5932961 - 06/21/17 06:27 PM Re: Sometimes Patience with Chucks Pays Off [Re: Jim Comstock]
Jim Comstock Offline
trapper

Registered: 02/11/11
Posts: 90
Loc: New York
Not sure of the world record for leaving a chuck set in place, but we just hit day 64. With that said, most would think, why?????? I sort of wanted to pick the trap up at day 51 with chuck number 5, but the nice lady was worried as she had just planted the garden. Not wanting to be responsible for the possible loss of the garden, especially after all of my effort and her expense, we left it. Just got the call, chuck number 6. Hard to beat, a bait free, maintenance free set that just catches. Only have made trips to remove critters. Don't know how long this will persist, but probably won't leave it over the winter.

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#5933376 - 06/22/17 07:37 AM Re: Sometimes Patience with Chucks Pays Off [Re: Jim Comstock]
Jason Turner Offline
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Registered: 01/25/15
Posts: 119
Loc: Arkansas
Jim, was the baitless trap that caught a positive set at a den hole?
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#5933540 - 06/22/17 11:09 AM Re: Sometimes Patience with Chucks Pays Off [Re: Jim Comstock]
Bob Jameson Offline


Registered: 12/25/06
Posts: 3015
Loc: SW Pa
Established burrows with a history of occupation and pup rearing over a period of years will have intermittent visitations from burrowing animals forever.

A den is always of interest to others seeking an opportunity of a potentially unoccupied site or a port in a storm sort of hole. These areas will be a continued invitation for sure.

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#5933971 - 06/22/17 09:28 PM Re: Sometimes Patience with Chucks Pays Off [Re: Jim Comstock]
Jim Comstock Offline
trapper

Registered: 02/11/11
Posts: 90
Loc: New York
Jason, yup. There is a single den down over a bank that we found, I guess about 25 feet down. There is a long hill that goes a long way down to a pond from there. The lady has a garden on top, too close for comfort. Last year they ate it up. We have been keeping the problem at bay since spring. I have a metal nose cone over the hole. I just bring a new trap each time and slide it into the nose cone after pulling a catch, literally takes about one minute. Animals do return to the same spots year after year as Bob noted, beaver to the same ponds and streams in the same places repeatedly. Once you have found bank dens for beaver and chuck holes it makes it a breeze doing a job. When you get the call you pretty much know what gear you will need and when each set will go before you get there. Seems like even when you fill dens in, they will get dug up by the next passer by. I think its been a good ten years of den sets with double door traps.

Only draw back in this business is I keep finding ticks crawling on me. Judy just dug another one out of my back. One local guy just died of Powassan, one of about ten diseases you can get.

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#5935433 - 06/25/17 07:18 AM Re: Sometimes Patience with Chucks Pays Off [Re: Jim Comstock]
Jim Comstock Offline
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Registered: 02/11/11
Posts: 90
Loc: New York
Pulled early evidently on one location. Just wanted to be done really. Had caught 3 initially. Got the call another had come back and dug the den out yet again, so I should have stayed. Went back and got him in a few days, a small one. So, left it in this time as another small one or more could still show up. Has been a banner year for chucks for sure in this area so catching so many at one location a number of times has been more common.

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#5936147 - 06/26/17 06:06 AM Re: Sometimes Patience with Chucks Pays Off [Re: Jim Comstock]
Jonesie Offline
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Registered: 08/08/07
Posts: 721
Loc: Monroeville NJ
I have 2 jobs right, now put trap down hog takes off, leave trap no activity, pull trap hog comes back with in 5 days put force on both, hog digs another hole out and takes off again. LOL one job cust called yesterday hog back after 5 days dug another hole I am hanging cable today. this happens a lot in my area where home owners and such catch the hogs and turn them loose in the park or school grounds.
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#5936259 - 06/26/17 09:02 AM Re: Sometimes Patience with Chucks Pays Off [Re: Jim Comstock]
Kermit Offline
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Registered: 08/23/10
Posts: 74
Loc: Ontario
Saw a ground hog sunning himself on the top of a fence post yesterday. Would wire or a positive set be better? Maybe a leaning tree set?

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#5955527 - 07/20/17 06:26 PM Re: Sometimes Patience with Chucks Pays Off [Re: MChewk]
Dave Schmidt Offline
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Registered: 04/02/10
Posts: 23
Loc: St. Louis area
Electronic trap monitors are great for customers who can't/won't do required trap checks. I recommend TrapSmart - great guys.
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#5956313 - 07/21/17 05:02 PM Re: Sometimes Patience with Chucks Pays Off [Re: Jim Comstock]
trapdye Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 454
Loc: Adirondacks, N.Y.
Patience pays, 17 days & their he was. Still waiting on his buddy.
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