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#5929860 - 06/17/17 01:07 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
Cole simo Offline
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Registered: 11/29/16
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Loc: North Dakota
Or at least isn't exempt from the same crimes

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#5929863 - 06/17/17 01:17 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
James Offline
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Registered: 12/26/06
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A shocking verdict on its face, but as Don Wolf points out, we haven't seen or heard all of the evidence.

There is probably going to be a civil lawsuit to deal with also. The cop may yet lose all he owns.

Jim
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#5929864 - 06/17/17 01:25 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
Cole simo Offline
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Loc: North Dakota
The family of Ron Goldman won a civil suit off less

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#5929909 - 06/17/17 06:30 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
Diggerman Offline
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Registered: 12/18/12
Posts: 2390
Loc: Wi.
I believe LEO's should be held to a higher standard also, But you can not watch a short phone video and argue against months of investigations and weeks of a trial, unless maybe you were on the jury. Put down the poop stirrer.

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#5929919 - 06/17/17 06:59 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
Law Dog Offline
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Registered: 12/11/10
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I remember that poor gentle giant that always wore that graduation cap that was gunned down with his hands up surrendering to the Cops in Ferguson, MO while following directions. Several eye witnesses even seen it happen and it was all BS when the facts came out.

Your seeing what they wanted you to see the jury seen both sides of the issue and came up with a different outcome for whatever reason but the haters and self-righteous think they know more then the 12 that heard the facts.
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#5929920 - 06/17/17 06:59 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
Woodsloafer72 Offline
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Registered: 06/22/15
Posts: 422
Loc: Minnesota
On the surface it appears to be a miscarriage of justice. I wasn't in the courtroom to see all of the evidence presented. I don't know what the jury saw and heard, so I won't argue with them.

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#5929921 - 06/17/17 07:01 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
danny clifton Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
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The acquittal at a trial can be achieved by a prosecutor easier than it can be accomplished by the defense attorney.

No idea if that is what happened here but it DOES happen when officers shoot people.
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#5929929 - 06/17/17 07:15 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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Walk a mile in the others shoes before judging...we were not there.
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#5929931 - 06/17/17 07:18 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
Law Dog Offline
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Registered: 12/11/10
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The one common thread is the people refuse to follow simple direction and that often escalates the problem. I remember that one where the wife says dozens of times her husband did NOT have a gun and he DID, it's never going to be as cut and dried as people think it will be with all that is involved.

It's like threading a needle while standing on the highway it's not as easy as it was sitting at the table at home, a lot is going on around you.

It's funny how the same people that question the Media all the time fall hook, line and sinker when it fits their narrative they never question it!
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#5929945 - 06/17/17 07:41 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: Cole simo]
2ndjoborfun Offline
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Registered: 10/14/10
Posts: 212
Loc: Alabama
From what I've seen, they do not rot in prison - It's stress free.

2nd
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#5929946 - 06/17/17 07:42 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: Cole simo]
Swamp Wolf Offline
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Registered: 04/04/09
Posts: 3516
Loc: SE Georgia
Originally Posted By: Cole simo
And don't tell me it's because he was innocent


That's the American CJ system. There is not a better system anywhere in the world.
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#5929978 - 06/17/17 08:32 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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One of the jurors was interviewed after the verdict.

For three days the jury was deadlocked. Only two were convinced that he was guilty. After a briefing by the judge, including the definition of 2nd degree manslaughter they changed their vote.
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#5929980 - 06/17/17 08:40 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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Castile had a record of around 50 traffic stops; all for minor violations. Yet, he still didn't understand that he needed to follow instructions. Most of the jurors believed that the cop did see at least a portion of the gun. Regardless, he was reaching for something when he wasn't supposed to be.

Did the cop overreact? I don't know, but, can see where he needed to do something.
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#5929988 - 06/17/17 08:51 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
Rat Masterson Offline
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Registered: 08/14/12
Posts: 564
Loc: SE Minn
The video I saw doesn't show the shooting, just the aftermath. If that's the case it's a he said she said deal.

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#5930011 - 06/17/17 09:26 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
goldy Offline
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Registered: 12/31/07
Posts: 6556
Loc: minnesota
The Prosecution was made up of very good lawyers, even Castile's friends/relatives said the prosecution made a very good case. The jury had African Americans. The fact is, there wasn't enough evidence to convict the cop of the charges against him. None of us were at the scene of the killing, none of us heard all the evidence in the trial. No matter what you think, the legal system worked.

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#5930020 - 06/17/17 09:41 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
stinkypete Offline
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Registered: 04/19/10
Posts: 1507
Loc: Ohio
I am shocked how people side with a guy that would not follow simple commands from a police officer. The passenger was shot and died by the result of his owne actions plain and simple.
Take home one of those people you want to help and defend. Then you will see who they really are.

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#5930025 - 06/17/17 09:45 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: stinkypete]
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Originally Posted By: stinkypete
The passenger was shot and died by the result of his owne actions...
Just to be clear, Philandro was the driver. The passenger thought she was a movie director. Comparing her earlier interviews with current, she does seem to have come up in the world since the shooting.
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#5930131 - 06/17/17 01:19 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
tjm Offline
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Registered: 11/11/11
Posts: 6003
Loc: SWMo.
The jury can not find guilty if there is any doubt, that does not actually mean they thought the guy was innocent; it means the charge was not proven. (see Danny's post)

We will probably get a differing perspective from the civil jury.

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#5930152 - 06/17/17 02:26 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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In civil court the bar ain't set so high.

In criminal court the risk of loss of freedom (and sometimes life) is at stake. Fittingly a tougher battle to prove.

In civil court, we are talking about possessions at risk. There's a whole bunch more wiggle room in the court.
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#5930159 - 06/17/17 02:53 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
Jerry Jr. Offline
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Registered: 07/25/16
Posts: 134
Loc: Ne pa
Why in the world would you tell an officer that you have a gun and commence to reach for something? I believe the officer was telling him not to reach for anything. I also believe that the jury reached the right decision, as they had more facts than we have been given.

Jerry Jr.
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