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#5929778 - 06/16/17 10:39 PM Philandro Castile
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Shooter found not guilty. (After 29 hours of deliberation)

Protesters going nuts. Still peaceful, but closed down I94 in both directions. Cops seem to be avoiding them so far.
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#5929791 - 06/16/17 11:01 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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Girlfriend filmed him dying never tried to render him any aid just sat there talking/filming I thought that was kind of weird!
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#5929800 - 06/16/17 11:19 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
Cole semo Offline
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I support good cops 100% but think him being acquitted was a miscarriage of justice

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#5929802 - 06/16/17 11:21 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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If you just watched your boyfriend get philando'd for reaching for his wallet you probably wouldn't be too keen on moving around too much either.

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#5929803 - 06/16/17 11:21 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
Cole semo Offline
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I would've liked to see him rot in prison

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#5929805 - 06/16/17 11:25 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: FlyinFinn]
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Originally Posted By: FlyinFinn
If you just watched your boyfriend get philando'd for reaching for his wallet you probably wouldn't be too keen on moving around too much either.


She had no problem running her mouth zero compassion just argued with the cop! Watch the video and see for yourself she was cold.
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#5929811 - 06/16/17 11:27 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: Law Dog]
Cole semo Offline
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Originally Posted By: Law Dog
Girlfriend filmed him dying never tried to render him any aid just sat there talking/filming I thought that was kind of weird!

Weird or not he was reaching for his license, his girlfriend and Yanez's partner said he was reaching for his license and yet he put 7 rounds into a car with a baby in the backseat

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#5929812 - 06/16/17 11:28 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: Law Dog]
Cole semo Offline
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Originally Posted By: Law Dog
Originally Posted By: FlyinFinn
If you just watched your boyfriend get philando'd for reaching for his wallet you probably wouldn't be too keen on moving around too much either.


She had no problem running her mouth zero compassion just argued with the cop! Watch the video and see for yourself she was cold.

Doesn't matter she didn't shoot her boyfriend 7 times. My guess is she was afraid for her life the officer was unhinged

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#5929813 - 06/16/17 11:28 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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You where there?
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#5929816 - 06/16/17 11:31 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
Cole semo Offline
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The facts speak for themselves jerry

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#5929819 - 06/16/17 11:40 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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Then why did a jury that heard all of the evidence acquitt him?
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#5929821 - 06/16/17 11:52 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
Cole semo Offline
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Why did a jury that heard all the evidence acquit oj?

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#5929822 - 06/16/17 11:53 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
Cole semo Offline
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And don't tell me it's because he was innocent

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#5929823 - 06/16/17 11:55 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
Cole semo Offline
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We're all staunch believers in the second amendment. Seems odd that we're not defending a man who was legally carrying but still was punished, no?


Edited by Cole simo (06/16/17 11:55 PM)

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#5929824 - 06/17/17 12:02 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: Cole semo]
mrob Offline
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Originally Posted By: Cole simo
The facts speak for themselves jerry

They sure do. The fact is he was found not guilty by a jury that heard all the evidence.

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#5929826 - 06/17/17 12:05 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
Cole semo Offline
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Well that must have been jury nullification because there is no way you could view that evidence objectively and not convict. He is guilty. He killed a man without reason and should be held responsible

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#5929828 - 06/17/17 12:08 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
Cole semo Offline
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The silence of the second amendment crowd is deafening. It could have been you or it could have been me.


Edited by Cole simo (06/17/17 12:09 AM)

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#5929831 - 06/17/17 12:13 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
Boco Offline
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If I was a cop I would err on the side of caution too,with all the wingnuts out there killing cops.The cop didn't know he wasn't reaching for a gun.In a country where everyone is presumed to be armed these are normal reactions by cops.


Edited by Boco (06/17/17 12:15 AM)

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#5929832 - 06/17/17 12:16 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: Boco]
Cole semo Offline
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But both philando and yanez's partner said he wasn't

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#5929833 - 06/17/17 12:17 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
Cole semo Offline
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Erring on the side of caution is sugarcoating it at the very least

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#5929834 - 06/17/17 12:18 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
Boco Offline
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If there is any question about who is going home to their family,it will be me.

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#5929835 - 06/17/17 12:21 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
Cole semo Offline
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But what crime did he commit boco?

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#5929836 - 06/17/17 12:22 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
Cole semo Offline
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If a good, cool headed cop had been the one to walk up to the driver side window we wouldn't be having this conversation

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#5929837 - 06/17/17 12:23 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
Boco Offline
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Those are the ones that end up laying on the pavement.Too many dead cops nowadays.


Edited by Boco (06/17/17 12:24 AM)

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#5929838 - 06/17/17 12:25 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: Boco]
Cole semo Offline
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Originally Posted By: Boco
Those are the ones that end up laying on the pavement.Too many dead cops nowadays.

I understand and that is tragic but being trigger happy isn't the answer

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#5929839 - 06/17/17 12:28 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
Cole semo Offline
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I have a pistol in my truck and wouldn't dream of pulling it on a cop but that's apparently all it takes and that should make all cc people nervous

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#5929840 - 06/17/17 12:30 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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He didn't commit a crime,but most of these incidents are escalated by these idiots who were not taught to respect authority and don't understand that they are required to follow the police instructions for their own safety and the safety of the officer until the peace officer has done his investigating.
Having a yappy wife likely didn't do anything to ease any tension either.

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#5929841 - 06/17/17 12:35 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
Cole semo Offline
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But Boco he did follow the rules. He he told the cop he had a cc permit and a weapon in the car and proceeded to reach for his license when the officer asked. Don't disrespect the dead. And his girlfriend was much more put together than the officer despite the circumstances

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#5929842 - 06/17/17 12:39 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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I doubt the cop would have been acquitted if it was as innocent as you say.
Over the years I have had interactions with cops.They are doing a job,and if they stop me they have a reason.I speak with them man to man in a respectful and civilized manner.I follow thir instructions and have never had a problem.If I had any reason to believe they were in the wrong,a court of law is the place to address that.
You don't tell a cop that you have a hidden gun then go reach for something unknown or unseen,that sounds like supreme stupidity.


Edited by Boco (06/17/17 12:40 AM)

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#5929843 - 06/17/17 12:40 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: Boco]
Cole semo Offline
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Originally Posted By: Boco
He didn't commit a crime,but most of these incidents are escalated by these idiots who were not taught to respect authority and don't understand that they are required to follow the police instructions for their own safety and the safety of the officer until the peace officer has done his investigating.
Having a yappy wife likely didn't do anything to ease any tension either.

In what way shape or form did he disrespect that cop?


Edited by Cole simo (06/17/17 12:40 AM)

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#5929844 - 06/17/17 12:42 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: Boco]
Cole semo Offline
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Originally Posted By: Boco
I doubt the cop would have been acquitted if it was as innocent as you say.
Over the years I have had interactions with cops.They are doing a job,and if they stop me they have a reason.I speak with them man to man in a respectful and civilized manner.I follow thir instructions and have never had a problem.If I had any reason to believe they were in the wrong,a court of law is the place to address that.
You don't tell a cop that you have a hidden gun then go reach for something unknown or unseen,that sounds like supreme stupidity.

Assuming you get the chance to go to said court of law. This man was respectful to the officer yet he paid the ultimate price.

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#5929845 - 06/17/17 12:42 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
Boco Offline
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I don't know I wasn't in court to hear the evidence.Others on here have indicated that the wife was berating the peace officer in a disrespectful and belligerent manner.Not sure if that was before or after the incident.


Edited by Boco (06/17/17 12:43 AM)

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#5929847 - 06/17/17 12:45 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
Cole semo Offline
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Did you watch the tape?

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#5929848 - 06/17/17 12:46 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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I haven't been alive long boco but I've learned that real justice is far too evasive

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#5929849 - 06/17/17 12:50 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
Boco Offline
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Too much disrespect for authority nowadays,disrepect for elders also.Couple that with all the police being targeted and killed by scum and I can see why cops are more on edge nowadays-they have good reason to be.And the result is incidents like this.
I'm on the side of the guy doing his job to support his family everyday and putting his life on the line for the good of our society.

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#5929850 - 06/17/17 12:52 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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He may have been aiming for the Woman, Boco. Boco I kind of think along the same line of thought just as you do. I did not see all the evidence, there fore I can't judge the cop. If he did shoot the man and it was murder then he needs to go to the pen.

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#5929851 - 06/17/17 12:53 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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Doing your job is one thing. Shooting a man, who WAS being respectful to the officer, is another

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#5929852 - 06/17/17 12:53 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
Boco Offline
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I may have seen that tape a while ago,but a tape does not tell the story.In and of itself a videotape is only a small part of the evidence from a 2-d perspective.

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#5929853 - 06/17/17 12:58 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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The officers recounted the story and never once did they contradict the story of the original testimony

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#5929857 - 06/17/17 01:03 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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A fundamental part of early America (not the Canadians the redcoats had their way with you guys for awhile) is that a man in a uniform should be held to the same standards as a civilian


Edited by Cole simo (06/17/17 01:04 AM)

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#5929860 - 06/17/17 01:07 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
Cole semo Offline
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Or at least isn't exempt from the same crimes

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#5929863 - 06/17/17 01:17 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
James Offline
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A shocking verdict on its face, but as Don Wolf points out, we haven't seen or heard all of the evidence.

There is probably going to be a civil lawsuit to deal with also. The cop may yet lose all he owns.

Jim
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#5929864 - 06/17/17 01:25 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
Cole semo Offline
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The family of Ron Goldman won a civil suit off less

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#5929909 - 06/17/17 06:30 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
Diggerman Offline
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I believe LEO's should be held to a higher standard also, But you can not watch a short phone video and argue against months of investigations and weeks of a trial, unless maybe you were on the jury. Put down the poop stirrer.

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#5929919 - 06/17/17 06:59 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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I remember that poor gentle giant that always wore that graduation cap that was gunned down with his hands up surrendering to the Cops in Ferguson, MO while following directions. Several eye witnesses even seen it happen and it was all BS when the facts came out.

Your seeing what they wanted you to see the jury seen both sides of the issue and came up with a different outcome for whatever reason but the haters and self-righteous think they know more then the 12 that heard the facts.
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#5929920 - 06/17/17 06:59 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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On the surface it appears to be a miscarriage of justice. I wasn't in the courtroom to see all of the evidence presented. I don't know what the jury saw and heard, so I won't argue with them.

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#5929921 - 06/17/17 07:01 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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The acquittal at a trial can be achieved by a prosecutor easier than it can be accomplished by the defense attorney.

No idea if that is what happened here but it DOES happen when officers shoot people.
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#5929929 - 06/17/17 07:15 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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#5929931 - 06/17/17 07:18 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
Law Dog Offline
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The one common thread is the people refuse to follow simple direction and that often escalates the problem. I remember that one where the wife says dozens of times her husband did NOT have a gun and he DID, it's never going to be as cut and dried as people think it will be with all that is involved.

It's like threading a needle while standing on the highway it's not as easy as it was sitting at the table at home, a lot is going on around you.

It's funny how the same people that question the Media all the time fall hook, line and sinker when it fits their narrative they never question it!
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#5929945 - 06/17/17 07:41 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: Cole semo]
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From what I've seen, they do not rot in prison - It's stress free.

2nd
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#5929946 - 06/17/17 07:42 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: Cole semo]
Swamp Wolf Offline
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Originally Posted By: Cole simo
And don't tell me it's because he was innocent


That's the American CJ system. There is not a better system anywhere in the world.
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#5929978 - 06/17/17 08:32 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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One of the jurors was interviewed after the verdict.

For three days the jury was deadlocked. Only two were convinced that he was guilty. After a briefing by the judge, including the definition of 2nd degree manslaughter they changed their vote.
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#5929980 - 06/17/17 08:40 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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Castile had a record of around 50 traffic stops; all for minor violations. Yet, he still didn't understand that he needed to follow instructions. Most of the jurors believed that the cop did see at least a portion of the gun. Regardless, he was reaching for something when he wasn't supposed to be.

Did the cop overreact? I don't know, but, can see where he needed to do something.
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#5929988 - 06/17/17 08:51 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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The video I saw doesn't show the shooting, just the aftermath. If that's the case it's a he said she said deal.

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#5930011 - 06/17/17 09:26 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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The Prosecution was made up of very good lawyers, even Castile's friends/relatives said the prosecution made a very good case. The jury had African Americans. The fact is, there wasn't enough evidence to convict the cop of the charges against him. None of us were at the scene of the killing, none of us heard all the evidence in the trial. No matter what you think, the legal system worked.

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#5930020 - 06/17/17 09:41 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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I am shocked how people side with a guy that would not follow simple commands from a police officer. The passenger was shot and died by the result of his owne actions plain and simple.
Take home one of those people you want to help and defend. Then you will see who they really are.

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#5930025 - 06/17/17 09:45 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: stinkypete]
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Originally Posted By: stinkypete
The passenger was shot and died by the result of his owne actions...
Just to be clear, Philandro was the driver. The passenger thought she was a movie director. Comparing her earlier interviews with current, she does seem to have come up in the world since the shooting.
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#5930131 - 06/17/17 01:19 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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The jury can not find guilty if there is any doubt, that does not actually mean they thought the guy was innocent; it means the charge was not proven. (see Danny's post)

We will probably get a differing perspective from the civil jury.

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#5930152 - 06/17/17 02:26 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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In civil court the bar ain't set so high.

In criminal court the risk of loss of freedom (and sometimes life) is at stake. Fittingly a tougher battle to prove.

In civil court, we are talking about possessions at risk. There's a whole bunch more wiggle room in the court.
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#5930159 - 06/17/17 02:53 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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Why in the world would you tell an officer that you have a gun and commence to reach for something? I believe the officer was telling him not to reach for anything. I also believe that the jury reached the right decision, as they had more facts than we have been given.

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#5930259 - 06/17/17 06:44 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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I just seen a pic of the cop that shot Philanderer Castillo.He aint white,thats why he wasn't guilty.

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#5930525 - 06/18/17 08:04 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: Jerry Jr.]
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Originally Posted By: Jerry Jr.
Why in the world would you...
My guess is THC.

It was found in Castile's body. How much is unclear as it is hard to measure after death.

Castile reaching, and his girlfriend filming with the bullets flying, makes me think their brains were somewhere else.
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#5930594 - 06/18/17 10:00 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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I see much wisdom in the different points of view posted here. Two things come to my mind regarding this tragedy I question:

Do prosecutors sometimes reach to far as to the charges, due to public and political pressure?

Secondly why was the officers training seemingly so inadequate, particularly for working in that area? It's not exactly Mayberry in that area.

A last thought. I seem to be reading of a lot more "incidents" where the LEO is a minority as in this case. Could law enforcement be bowing to political pressures and hiring too many minorities who do not meet the proper standards, just to meet quotas? Are they rushing them thru so to speak?
Status quo LEO's make mistakes as well I am not giving them a free pass.
Toughest of jobs for sure, hats off to all of them, I do however think in this case there should be consequences. It could of been one of our children who paid a price at the hands of an inexperienced officer.
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#5930623 - 06/18/17 10:52 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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I would have an easier time siding with the cop if it was only 1 or 2 rounds fired, but 7 into a car at point blank range? I have been shot before-I know what it feels like to take a bullet, after his initial shot he should have been able to "subdue" the criminal and get his gun away from him. 7 shots to subdue a seated man is a little over the top, 7 shots into a car with an innocent child in the backseat or any bystanders is just plain stupid.


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#5930640 - 06/18/17 11:13 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: beltrami trapper]
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Originally Posted By: beltrami trapper
I would have an easier time siding with the cop if it was only 1 or 2 rounds fired, but 7 into a car at point blank range? I have been shot before-I know what it feels like to take a bullet, after his initial shot he should have been able to "subdue" the criminal and get his gun away from him. 7 shots to subdue a seated man is a little over the top, 7 shots into a car with an innocent child in the backseat or any bystanders is just plain stupid.


Well said and I agree. As I said I think a lot of this tragedy points to lack of training and experience. Where does that blame fall?

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#5930644 - 06/18/17 11:18 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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Yes Osky, The political setting has changed with prosecutors since about the Ferguson timeframe (or Baltimore to be more exact). The current political agenda are searching high and low right now to charge cops. And city/county and political leaders wonder why crime is skyrocketing...hmmmm.

Attorneys will always try and pick apart training. They are just searching for (or more so trying to install the the thought of) negligence. IMO it is over stressed and the thing that is under stressed is the normal human God given will to survive when one is faced with (what their body is telling them) is a life or death situation. Our bodys can go on autopilot at these times in a last ditch effort to live. Training can become integrated into these movements but it's not the driving force.

Yes, some are recruited and shoved through the training process simply because of their race/gender or even political or sexual makeup. No doubt about this. Some people are also shoved to the top without maturing in their rank....thus creating a dis service to the entire department. Many department heads out there that don't have the foggiest idea of basic policework. They are oftentimes just political figurines.

That said, there are some great great minorities in policework today (and some that should have never been hired...let along promoted. But policework is a craft...that is learned and developed by doing it. This takes decades (and age) in many cases to really get a grasp of. Picking the right emotional makeup is key here. I would argue that a cities HR dept isn't the one that should be picking these people...but often times do. And Plenty of early 20s white guys out running around like 6 years olds that just drank a case of energy drinks, too.
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#5930645 - 06/18/17 11:20 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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Beltrami...The 7 shots tells me that he was really in fear of his life. And it's not TV. Plenty of guys that can take a round or 3 and still kill you before they lose enough blood to keep from doing so.
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#5930651 - 06/18/17 11:27 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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I am not aware of his level of training. At least he hit what he shot at eek

Once the adrenalin kicks in, it is the training that takes over. I'd be willing to bet his conscious mind had no idea of how many rounds he had fired. Shoot once, shoot seven times, whatever it takes to stop the threat. Excessive? It does sounds like it.
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#5930656 - 06/18/17 11:32 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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It is a shame someone would fall into survival mode and philando a guy 7 times before the guy sitting in the car properly produced a weapon.

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#5930658 - 06/18/17 11:34 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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If it were MR. PRIVATE CITIZEN who philando'd a guy 7 times with no opposing threat Mr. Citizen would be in state prison making license plates and wagon running gear for below minimum wage for a few decades.

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#5930659 - 06/18/17 11:35 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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7 shots tells me he was shaking like a leaf, and probably leaking down his leg a little bit too. Point blank range he could have fired 1 shot and had his hand through the window and on that mans gun before he even reacted to the gunshot and take his gun away. From what I have read castile never had his gun drawn at any time. I have read about and heard the officer on the tape instantly knowing he screwed up big time by running around yelling a certain F word numerous times right after the shooting.. My brother was an officer in the metro area for over 25 years so I sympathize somewhat, I could have been going to his funeral or court date at any time

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#5930661 - 06/18/17 11:40 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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Maybe the cop should have waited to be shot first in case it was only a pellet gun just to be sure.

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#5930663 - 06/18/17 11:41 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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A big part of the problem is the reporting of outright lies and misinformation, unarmed people were in fact armed, their hands were up and they were playing nice but that's often just a lie, nobody entered the cell where they hung themselves but that IS what is reported. Look at the Michael Brown case about everything that was reported for weeks was a lie and is a lie that lives on today. The biggest problem I see is immaturity and understanding the seriousness of situation and not following simple directions in a razor thin situation.

If I tell someone to show me their hands and the grab for their lap the last thing a guy thinks is ice cream cone. Now add drugs and alcohol to this and it does not get better it gets only worse.

Break down the stories of the last 5 years any many turned out the way they should have more then not it's just misreported to make a better story and to be more PC.
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#5930668 - 06/18/17 11:44 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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Beltrami...ask your brother about your theory of shooting once and grabbing for his gun. He will disagree with you. I guarantee it.
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#5930669 - 06/18/17 11:48 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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Only in this instance yanez would have had to shoot once and then dig around in philando's pants for the weapon that was never presented.

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#5930672 - 06/18/17 11:49 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: Boco]
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Originally Posted By: Boco
Maybe the cop should have waited to be shot first in case it was only a pellet gun just to be sure.

You mean the gun he never pulled on that trigger happy fool?

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#5930676 - 06/18/17 11:53 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: Cole semo]
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Originally Posted By: Boco
Maybe the cop should have waited to be shot first in case it was only a pellet gun just to be sure.

You mean the gun he never pulled on that trigger happy fool?



He must of left his Xray glassed at home that day! LOL
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#5930681 - 06/18/17 11:57 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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Yes Calvin, lots of whites too no doubt.
At the very least from what I have seen of the tape the officer could have taken one big step back down the car and had the control position behind the deceased and in his blind spot from which to order the guys hands and body out. Many other options as well. I don't think the officer a horrible person, I just think he was unprepared, untested, and unready for that type of split second confrontation.
There are a whole bunch of darn good guys, very smart and very good with weapons who could never function effectively in a military situation without extensive training. And they get it. I think this officer panicked where maybe better/further training would have changed the outcome. If so, why did he not have it?
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#5930686 - 06/18/17 12:01 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: Osky]
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Originally Posted By: Osky
Yes Calvin, lots of whites too no doubt.
At the very least from what I have seen of the tape the officer could have taken one big step back down the car and had the control position behind the deceased and in his blind spot from which to order the guys hands and body out. Many other options as well. I don't think the officer a horrible person, I just think he was unprepared, untested, and unready for that type of split second confrontation.
There are a whole bunch of darn good guys, very smart and very good with weapons who could never function effectively in a military situation without extensive training. And they get it. I think this officer panicked where maybe better/further training would have changed the outcome. If so, why did he not have it?
Osky
exactly what I was getting at to osky, they have to be mentally prepared for these situations, and have the nerve to stand in and do it. Some people just dont have what it takes, and surely a large part of every years new recruits fits into that bill.

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#5930694 - 06/18/17 12:07 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: Calvin]
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Originally Posted By: Calvin
Beltrami...ask your brother about your theory of shooting once and grabbing for his gun. He will disagree with you. I guarantee it.

I have and he is the one who called the stop an all out rookie mess. He had to deal with armed people hundreds if not more times in his career, he had been shot at but not hit before- he has returned fire and injured criminals, he was run over by a drunk driver, you name it he pretty much seen it and lived through it. He agrees that 7 rounds fired in that particular instance is nothing more than being scared,stupid, or both. As well as a few of his old co-workers that just stayed at my cabin last weekend.

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#5930717 - 06/18/17 01:10 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: Calvin]
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Originally Posted By: Calvin
Beltrami...The 7 shots tells me that he was really in fear of his life. And it's not TV. Plenty of guys that can take a round or 3 and still kill you before they lose enough blood to keep from doing so.

This! Pour it on until the threat is over!

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#5930742 - 06/18/17 01:58 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: wildflights]
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What threat?
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#5930749 - 06/18/17 02:07 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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I agree, what threat? If he was being chased or shot at by the guy I would have a different view. Fact is he was seated in a car- told the officer he had a permit to carry and that he was reaching for his license. Did he actually draw the weapon and pose a threat? Did he even get his license or his gun out? From what I have seen/heard the cop judged a little to soon and just assumed he was pulling his gun. Officer could have drawn his weapon and waited to see if he pulled his gun or his license- he had the upper hand. With a gun pointed at his head from a couple feet away he could have identified the gun was being drawn and then made the call to pull the trigger- even wyatt earp wouldnt beat that draw.

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#5930764 - 06/18/17 02:33 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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I tend to agree with beltrami, the officer was in a tactically superior position gun drawn on a at that point an unarmed seated person??? If your a permit holder has this changed what you will do if pulled over? I know that seeing this incident made me rethink what I do when I'm pulled over. No duty to inform in the state of Minnesota unless asked. I have in the passed voluntarily informed officers but think now it's a mistake. Maybe just hand them my permit with my other info.

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#5930776 - 06/18/17 02:58 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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I do not posses a carry permit for the simple fact I will never ask for permission for something explicitly laid out in our Constitution. Therefore I am ignorant in regards to if permit information is available to law enforcement by drivers license information or by vehicle plate registration. If is available, why is it? Does the threat of someone who legally (though self depreciatingly) asked for permission pose a certain threat? Wouldn't a better policy be to treat every citizen as though they have a concealed weapon on them? Also, to those that would issue a citation to a citizen who doesn't posses the proper permission papers; how does enforcing a law that is in direct opposition to what is written in the supreme document limiting government work?

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#5930798 - 06/18/17 03:59 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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Just a note...a carry permit is VOID if your are under the influence of drugs or alcohol. So in essence he had no permit.

I do believe that had he been sober he would have acted differently...and been alive today. This is why this clause is in the permit stipulations. Sometimes people brain under the influence just don't do what needs to be done in a certain situation.

Flynn. None of what you say ever holds up in court...so good luck with that. I'm sure you are very familiar with the Sovern Nation...and how they (or you) end up in the clink with the same verbage. The rest of us have to live in todays world...Like it or not. And most times I don't (for the record).


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#5930802 - 06/18/17 04:05 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: beltrami trapper]
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Originally Posted By: Calvin
Beltrami...ask your brother about your theory of shooting once and grabbing for his gun. He will disagree with you. I guarantee it.

I have and he is the one who called the stop an all out rookie mess. He had to deal with armed people hundreds if not more times in his career, he had been shot at but not hit before- he has returned fire and injured criminals, he was run over by a drunk driver, you name it he pretty much seen it and lived through it. He agrees that 7 rounds fired in that particular instance is nothing more than being scared,stupid, or both. As well as a few of his old co-workers that just stayed at my cabin last weekend.


He may have called it a rookie mess but to say to shoot a guy once then wrestle over his gun is a complete different thing. Nobody would ever condone those tactics. That was my original point...not the rookie mess part. My bad on the wording.
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#5930807 - 06/18/17 04:12 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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None of the videos I have seen have shown the actual shooting. All of the videos just show the girlfriend talking with Philandro dieing in the background. Many posters are taking what she says as true without any evidence, whatsoever.

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#5930827 - 06/18/17 04:59 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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I am unsure of how my post had anything to do with Sovern Nation-whatever that is. Also, I am unsure of what verbage I used that would land me in jail. Furthermore, what I post here isn't meant to be upheld in court. If I had wanted lawerly advice I would have asked a lawerly question. I asked a law enforcement question concerning the enforcement of gun permits. If one believes in the Constitution (which is a document limiting government, not bestowing upon anyone any rights) and it says 'shall not be infringed'- how does one enforce any law that does infringe without entering a dilemma? Im not talking about a legal dilemma, I am talking of a moral, personal dilemma.

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#5930886 - 06/18/17 06:33 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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thankfully I haven't been pulled over much but in the few instances I was told to keep both hands on the steering wheel until further notice then asked where my liscense and reg was and told to retrieve it every post has good pros and cons about the incident
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#5930896 - 06/18/17 06:58 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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It could be that the prosecutor tried to overcharge the case, as happens frequently. The jury may have convicted him of a manslaughter charge if he'd been charged with it.
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#5930900 - 06/18/17 07:05 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: FlyinFinn]
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Originally Posted By: FlyinFinn
I do not posses a carry permit for the simple fact I will never ask for permission for something explicitly laid out in our Constitution. Therefore I am ignorant in regards to if permit information is available to law enforcement by drivers license information or by vehicle plate registration. If is available, why is it? Does the threat of someone who legally (though self depreciatingly) asked for permission pose a certain threat? Wouldn't a better policy be to treat every citizen as though they have a concealed weapon on them? Also, to those that would issue a citation to a citizen who doesn't posses the proper permission papers; how does enforcing a law that is in direct opposition to what is written in the supreme document limiting government work?


I don't have a concealed permit but have a Firearms Purchase Certification. It allows you to buy a firearm over the counter without having to wait for a background check to be done cause that's what is checked when you apply for the permit. You have to renew it every 3 years.

I know here in Nebraska law enforcement have permit information available to them when they pull up driver license information. I learned this when I got pulled over a couple of years ago. I got a warning for doing about 5mph over the speed limit. His records showed that I had that FPC and he asked me if I had any firearms in the vehicle. Not sure if this holds true for every state though.

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#5930930 - 06/18/17 07:45 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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Our criminal justice system is a joke, for as smart as you have to be to be a part of it, it actually lacks major common sense in many instances. Why some evidence can be used and some with held is mind boggling, if it's the truth it should be open. The OJ case is all the info on that system I'll ever need to be aware of. Yet there are complete idiotic fools that truly think he was and is innocent.

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#5930938 - 06/18/17 07:50 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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This is an extremely sad case. Maybe something like Dumb and Dumber. One guy can't follow instructions, and the other freaks out. Lots of lives affected. Too bad!!

Why? What could have been done differently? Too late now. SAD.

My take is that if Castile had only kept his paws on the steering wheel, there would never have been a confrontation.

If Yanez had only fired a shot or two, justification would have been easier.

Dumb and Dumber. Too late now.
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#5930957 - 06/18/17 08:10 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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Just out of curiosity, what instructions did Castile fail to comply with?

The paramedics who treated him said they found his gun in his pocket, so he obviously didn't pull it out.
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#5930973 - 06/18/17 08:23 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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Buck, I'm going from memory here, I believe the charge was second degree manslaughter.

8m pretty sure we had a lengthy discussion here right after it happened


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#5930976 - 06/18/17 08:24 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: BuckNE]
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Originally Posted By: BuckNE
Just out of curiosity, what instructions did Castile fail to comply with?


"Don't Reach"

I've been there. Cop always tells you to keep your hands in sight. One insisted on the dash. Most are happy with the steering wheel.

Even if he was going for his seat belt, that is the same vicinity of a typical carry spot. I believe it looked like a threat.
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#5930977 - 06/18/17 08:27 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: Steven 49er]
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Originally Posted By: Steven 49er
Buck, I'm going from memory here, I believe the charge was second degree manslaughter.


Yeah, I just looked it up. Thanks.

I'm still curious why people think Castile wasn't following instructions.

He told the officer he had a permit and a gun. When reaching for his wallet he was shot. I read that the paramedics found his gun still in his pocket.

Sounds to me like the cop just freaked out when he found out the guy had a gun. I don't think there was any malice. Just another cop too jumpy to be a cop.
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#5930978 - 06/18/17 08:28 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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Originally Posted By: BuckNE
Just out of curiosity, what instructions did Castile fail to comply with?


"Don't Reach"

I've been there. Cop always tells you to keep your hands in sight. One insisted on the dash. Most are happy with the steering wheel.


The cop said don't reach for his gun. Apparently he didn't. He reached for his wallet.
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#5930986 - 06/18/17 08:32 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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I don't know about Castile, but I carry my wallet on the left. He was reaching for the right.

A man with his experience of traffic stops should have already had that wallet in hand when the cop got to the window.
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#5930988 - 06/18/17 08:35 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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My wallet is on the right.

Last time I got pulled over was for not having a sticker on a rental car. West Baton Rouge after the shooting. That Nervous Nelly had his hand on his gun the entire time and had me scared he was going to shoot me because of a sticker Hertz failed to put on a windshield. I kept talking in a calm voice and explained everything I was going to do. Reach into my right rear pocket for my license. Reach into the center console for the rental agreement.

I hope that dude calmed down a little since then or he's going to shoot someone over a sticker.
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#5930992 - 06/18/17 08:41 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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By the way, he let me off without a ticket. But when I asked if I should go straight to Hertz at the airport and change cars he said, "No, nobody will pull a rental car over for not having an inspection sticker."

I wanted to say, "You just did, you moron." But he might have shot me.
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#5930996 - 06/18/17 08:43 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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When I get pulled over I always have my driver's license, vehicle registration, and carry card in hand, and hand over the package. I usually wait five minutes for a computer check and am told to carry on and get the directional, tail light, high center or whatever fixed.
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#5930999 - 06/18/17 08:46 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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Originally Posted By: T-Rex
When I get pulled over I always have my driver's license, vehicle registration, and carry card in hand, and hand over the package. I usually wait five minutes for a computer check and am told to carry on and get the directional, tail light, high center or whatever fixed.



do they pat you on the head and say "good boy"?
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#5931000 - 06/18/17 08:46 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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That was the first time I've been pulled over since 1985. I didn't realize you could get shot over an inspection sticker until now.
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#5931004 - 06/18/17 08:52 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: taser]
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do they pat you on the head and say "good boy"?
Nah! If they reached for my head, I'd probably consider it a threat. grin
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#5931013 - 06/18/17 09:02 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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Originally Posted By: T-Rex
When I get pulled over I always have my driver's license, vehicle registration, and carry card in hand, and hand over the package. I usually wait five minutes for a computer check and am told to carry on and get the directional, tail light, high center or whatever fixed.
Normally thats what I had always done up untill last fall. I got pulled over at 1 am after working an almost 20 hour day, and proceeded to grab my wallet and my insurance card and wait. The officer came to the window with his gun already drawn stating he saw me "hiding" something while I got my wallet- while he was still in his car. I chuckled and explained that I had got my wallet and handed him my license. He basically called me a liar and said he wanted to search my vehicle. Ok I say and sit in his car while he searches to find nothing. I tell him there is nothing illegal or any guns in the truck but he wasnt satisfied. I then waited for a k9 unit to come search my work truck to find nothing. After over an hour at the side of the road these 2 guys acted like even bigger a-wads after coming up empty handed. They then proceed to tell me that "it was my lucky day" they didnt find anything. I kept my words to myself knowing one of these guys if not both might be a little unstable- smiled at both, wished them a nice night and jumped back in to my truck just shaking my head.- reason for being pulled over initially?? I was never given one! Wasnt speeding and had no lights on my truck out or anything so I still dont know- think they were just bored on a tuesday night


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#5931022 - 06/18/17 09:15 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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I know I would never give them permission to search. They can make one heck of a mess and even create damage.

If they really want to search; they'll have to get a warrant. I doubt any judge would give them that based upon "maybe saw him hiding something" from a remote vehicle.
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#5931026 - 06/18/17 09:18 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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Nah, then they might have "found" something.
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#5931031 - 06/18/17 09:25 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: BuckNE]
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Nah, then they might have "found" something.
Probably true. Maybe an empty shotgun shell, or beer can from the previous weekend. Maybe a bottle of isopropyl alcohol that I use to sterilize my cooler containing medical specimens. Who knows what they might find and interpret as they like.
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#5931050 - 06/18/17 09:48 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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I think what may be happening, slowly, is that our American culture is reciprocating the fear they see and sense in news stories concerning reactive law enforcement ending in shootings. I mean, if cops are jittery over a potentially armed citizen, it is only natural for the citizens to be jittery over a defiantly armed officer.

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#5931057 - 06/18/17 09:52 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: FlyinFinn]
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Originally Posted By: FlyinFinn
I think what may be happening, slowly, is that our American culture is reciprocating the fear they see and sense in news stories concerning reactive law enforcement ending in shootings. I mean, if cops are jittery over a potentially armed citizen, it is only natural for the citizens to be jittery over a defiantly armed officer.


Well, that's pretty obvious.

A bunch of law abiding citizens are sitting here holding a conversation about how not to get shot while reaching for their license and registration.
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#5931078 - 06/18/17 10:19 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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Originally Posted By: T-Rex
I know I would never give them permission to search. They can make one heck of a mess and even create damage.

If they really want to search; they'll have to get a warrant. I doubt any judge would give them that based upon "maybe saw him hiding something" from a remote vehicle.
I felt that since I had nothing to hide it would be quicker just to let him poke around and feel good about himself for a little while. Unlike those 2 officers I had already put in a 20 hour day and had to be back to work in another 5 hours. My work truck and tools couldnt sit in their possession for up to a week while it was destroyed to find nothing. I sure as heck wouldn't have been reimbursed for jobs lost or the time spent putting my truck back together after it was trashed.


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#5932470 - 06/21/17 05:07 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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#5932509 - 06/21/17 06:31 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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No way to know how accurate the article hippie posted is.

One thing I do know. Buck's, comment on a discussion to avoid being shot by LE while abiding by the law, is pretty telling on the state of LE in our country.

Beltrami, is posting about sitting in a squad car because consenting to a search is easier than refusing.

what is happening to our country?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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#5932519 - 06/21/17 06:53 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: beltrami trapper]
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Originally Posted By: T-Rex
When I get pulled over I always have my driver's license, vehicle registration, and carry card in hand, and hand over the package. I usually wait five minutes for a computer check and am told to carry on and get the directional, tail light, high center or whatever fixed.
Normally thats what I had always done up untill last fall. I got pulled over at 1 am after working an almost 20 hour day, and proceeded to grab my wallet and my insurance card and wait. The officer came to the window with his gun already drawn stating he saw me "hiding" something while I got my wallet- while he was still in his car. I chuckled and explained that I had got my wallet and handed him my license. He basically called me a liar and said he wanted to search my vehicle. Ok I say and sit in his car while he searches to find nothing. I tell him there is nothing illegal or any guns in the truck but he wasnt satisfied. I then waited for a k9 unit to come search my work truck to find nothing. After over an hour at the side of the road these 2 guys acted like even bigger a-wads after coming up empty handed. They then proceed to tell me that "it was my lucky day" they didnt find anything. I kept my words to myself knowing one of these guys if not both might be a little unstable- smiled at both, wished them a nice night and jumped back in to my truck just shaking my head.- reason for being pulled over initially?? I was never given one! Wasnt speeding and had no lights on my truck out or anything so I still dont know- think they were just bored on a tuesday night


How long did it take for the K9 to come?

The supreme Court ruled that a reasonable time to be stopped without being considered detained is less than 20 minutes.

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#5932525 - 06/21/17 07:02 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: danny clifton]
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Originally Posted By: danny clifton
No way to know how accurate the article hippie posted is.

One thing I do know. Buck's, comment on a discussion to avoid being shot by LE while abiding by the law, is pretty telling on the state of LE in our country.

Beltrami, is posting about sitting in a squad car because consenting to a search is easier than refusing.

what is happening to our country?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????


How accurate?
It's the dash cam video and shows more than the girls who ya'll been basing your posts off of.

The cop seemed calm until he reaches for his gun., After being told NOT to reach for it.


Edited by hippie (06/21/17 07:04 AM)

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#5932534 - 06/21/17 07:15 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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He was reaching for his ID, split second later he emptied clip into a citizen legally carrying.

Cop knew he screwed up by screaming "f*c€" over and over again.

The cop seemed untrained and not psychologically suited for the job. Another work place death.

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#5932535 - 06/21/17 07:18 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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Why was he reaching for his ID? Cop didn't ask for it.
Cop said three times to NOT reach for his gun.

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#5932538 - 06/21/17 07:24 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: hippie]
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Originally Posted By: hippie
Originally Posted By: danny clifton
No way to know how accurate the article hippie posted is.

One thing I do know. Buck's, comment on a discussion to avoid being shot by LE while abiding by the law, is pretty telling on the state of LE in our country.

Beltrami, is posting about sitting in a squad car because consenting to a search is easier than refusing.

what is happening to our country?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????


How accurate?
It's the dash cam video and shows more than the girls who ya'll been basing your posts off of.

The cop seemed calm until he reaches for his gun., After being told NOT to reach for it.


The whole "reaches for his gun" thing has me confused.

Apparently he reached for his wallet. The cop said he saw "something dark" in his hand, but one article I read said the paramedics found his gun in his pocket.

So if that is accurate, the guy got shot reaching for his wallet, not his gun.
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#5932540 - 06/21/17 07:26 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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Think about it.

Cop says show me your id and proof of insurance.

You inform him you have a gun and he says don't reach for the gun. He didn't say keep your hands on the wheel. He said don't reach for the gun.

You're still trying to comply with the order to show id, so you reach into a different pocket for your wallet, and a split second later BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM.
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#5932542 - 06/21/17 07:26 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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I just noticed the link i gave to the dash-cam video isn't working.
Did you watch the video i'm talking about?

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#5932543 - 06/21/17 07:27 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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I watched a 9 minute unedited dashcam video that goes way past what most of the news is showing and doesn't have any cut out.
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#5932545 - 06/21/17 07:28 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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Cop did not ask for his licence, at least not in the video they released. (that i saw)
He was just telling him his brake lights were out when the guy said he has a gun. The cop, calmly tells him to NOT reach, several times before he gets excited. I guess he saw the gun when he gets excited.


Edited by hippie (06/21/17 07:30 AM)

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#5932548 - 06/21/17 07:30 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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I'll give the other cops credit. After Nervous Nelly blasted away and other cops got there and finally got him to take his gun off the guy he just turned into Swiss cheese, they worked HARD to save Castile. I counted 3 guys taking turns doing chest compressions.
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#5932552 - 06/21/17 07:34 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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I didn't judge the results of the Jury because i hadn't seen any video other than the after the fact one.
Since seeing this one, i'll trust the jury did what they believed.

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#5932553 - 06/21/17 07:34 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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He sure as heck did. I'll send you the unedited version by pm due to the cop's language.
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#5932570 - 06/21/17 07:48 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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Castile's gun slid out of his pocket when they rolled him onto a backboard, according to the testimony of a cop.

According to the paramedic, the cop had to "reach deep" into his pocket to get the gun.

The gun never left Castile's pocket. Obviously the "something dark" that Yanez saw was the wallet.

http://www.wdio.com/news/philando-castile-jeronimo-yanez-trial/4506366/


Edited by BuckNE (06/21/17 07:49 AM)
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#5932571 - 06/21/17 07:52 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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The location of the gun is moot. He was shot because he failed to keep his hands in sight. That is a threat.
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#5932572 - 06/21/17 07:52 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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Don't reach, Simple instructions that were not followed.

Not the outcome (shooting) anyone wanted, but that's not what the Jury had to decide. In a civil trial, they may find him guilty.

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#5932573 - 06/21/17 07:53 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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The location of the gun is moot. He was shot because he failed to keep his hands in sight. That is a threat.


He wasn't told to keep his hands in sight.

He was given two orders:

1. Produce ID

2. Don't reach for the gun.

Castile followed both instructions TO THE LETTER
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#5932575 - 06/21/17 07:57 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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Cop asks for id, IT'S HANDED OUT.

While cops looking at it, he says he has a gun. Cop says DON'T reach. guy must reach.

Jury appears right in their verdict.

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#5932578 - 06/21/17 08:01 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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He didn't hand out the id, he handed out the proof of insurance, then reached for his wallet.

You're wrong.
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#5932580 - 06/21/17 08:03 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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I think the jury decided that being an amped up chicken snot halfwit isn't against the law so they acquitted the cop.
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#5932588 - 06/21/17 08:19 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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I also watched the unedited dash cam footage. It appears to me that Castile complied with the officers instructions.

It also appears to me that the cop overreacted in a big way.

A man died for having a brake light out and complying with a police officer's instructions.
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#5932590 - 06/21/17 08:20 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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Too much "coulda, shoulda, woulda". Intent is not the issue. Suspect was reaching, cop reacted. The result is unthinkable, but, it was the reaching that triggered what followed.
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#5932591 - 06/21/17 08:21 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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Do you really think Castile was a threat? If he was a threat he would of never even told the officer in the first place he had a firearm. It makes no sense whatsoever. That man had zero intentions of harming that officer, another reason every officer should have body cameras. It's getting to the point where every vehicle should have cameras just to protect yourself.

I have alot of respect for law enforcement, the problem is humans are not equal. In my opinion, in order to be a police officer you need to have a great deal of composure, that officer and so many others have none! If your that scared then maybe some of these officers need to seek a new profession. Either that or the training needs to improve.

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#5932595 - 06/21/17 08:30 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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Where is the NRA on this? Seriously...

Glad I got into trapping....My NRA money will now go to NTA and WTA.

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#5932599 - 06/21/17 08:33 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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I don't put much stock in psycho babble but the psychobabblers claim most people who apply for law enforcement have the same mentality as those they are supposed to interdict.
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#5932610 - 06/21/17 08:42 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: danny clifton]
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Originally Posted By: danny clifton
I don't put much stock in psycho babble but the psychobabblers claim most people who apply for law enforcement have the same mentality as those they are supposed to interdict.


Could you site your source , Danny ?
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#5932616 - 06/21/17 08:50 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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I do commend the prosecutors office for even bringing up charges. If philando'philando's girlfriend hadn't facebooked the event I am confident Yanez would still be roaming the steets in a uniform. All permission seekers should be relieved he isnt.

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#5932635 - 06/21/17 09:17 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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Originally Posted By: T-Rex
Too much "coulda, shoulda, woulda". Intent is not the issue. Suspect was reaching, cop reacted. The result is unthinkable, but, it was the reaching that triggered what followed.


You're right. He was reaching for his ID, just like the cop told him to.

"Don't reach for it" in reference to the gun is not an order not to reach for the drivers license the cop just seconds earlier had asked for.


Edited by BuckNE (06/21/17 09:20 AM)
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#5932643 - 06/21/17 09:28 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: Aaron Proffitt]
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Originally Posted By: Aaron Proffitt
Originally Posted By: danny clifton
I don't put much stock in psycho babble but the psychobabblers claim most people who apply for law enforcement have the same mentality as those they are supposed to interdict.


Could you site your source , Danny ?


Here you go: http://cjonline.uc.edu/resources/crimina...roblem-solving/

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#5932680 - 06/21/17 10:34 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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They had it on the cop's video cam this morning on TV. Castile acted properly by informing the cop he had a permit to carry and was armed. The cop acted improperly. He should have instructed Castile to put his hands on the wheel and followed proper procedure. He was a poor excuse for a cop. Firing all those rounds with a woman and her baby in the car! Disgraceful, to say the least! Castile would have been better to have never mentioned he had a permit and a firearm on his person.

I consider the BLM people borderline terrorists, but in this case, I agree entirely with their protests after the conclusion of this case. It makes people with concealed carry permits reluctant to reveal when they are armed to a police officer for fear there might be another hyper, improperly trained Yanez out there. Thankfully, he was fired from that police department.
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#5932682 - 06/21/17 10:43 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: BuckNE]
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Originally Posted By: BuckNE
Originally Posted By: T-Rex
Too much "coulda, shoulda, woulda". Intent is not the issue. Suspect was reaching, cop reacted. The result is unthinkable, but, it was the reaching that triggered what followed.


You're right. He was reaching for his ID, just like the cop told him to.

"Don't reach for it" in reference to the gun is not an order not to reach for the drivers license the cop just seconds earlier had asked for.


Yanez testified he saw Castile started to pull out a handgun. Yet, the paramedics on the scene said there was a handgun inside Castile's pocket that couldn't be seen. Seen on the video, when asked for his ID, Yanez could be heard to say something like, "Don't go for the gun!" To which Castile indicated he wasn't, but was getting his ID. It was at that point Yanez fired about 7 shots. Clearly not a person qualified to be a police officer.
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#5932687 - 06/21/17 10:49 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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No he didn't. He testified that he saw Castile pull out "something dark" and that he THOUGHT it was a handgun. Turns out the handgun never left the pocket.
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#5932688 - 06/21/17 10:51 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: Trapper7]
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Originally Posted By: Trapper7
Yanez testified he saw Castile started to pull out a handgun. Yet, the paramedics on the scene said there was a handgun inside Castile's pocket that couldn't be seen. Seen on the video, when asked for his ID, Yanez could be heard to say something like, "Don't go for the gun!" To which Castile indicated he wasn't, but was getting his ID. It was at that point Yanez fired about 7 shots. Clearly not a person qualified to be a police officer.


Unfortunately, it took an innocent man and father to a 4 year old little girl dying for them to figure it out.
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#5932694 - 06/21/17 10:57 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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They're just lucky everyone in that car wasn't killed by Nervous Nelly in that hail of gunfire. Did you notice the angle?

It's amazing the passenger wasn't shot, and for the last two he had stepped toward the front of the car and the angle was toward the backseat.
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#5932695 - 06/21/17 10:58 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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Same difference. The police cam just came out today. Yanez asks Castile to see his license. Castile properly tells the cop he has a permit and is armed. When he complies with Yanez's request to see his license and reaches in his pocket to get it, Yanez panics and tells him not to go for his gun. To which Castile tells him he's not, but getting his license as told. Then, Yanez starts shooting!
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#5932699 - 06/21/17 11:01 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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#5932704 - 06/21/17 11:22 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: hippie]
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The link above shows that Yanez (the cop) lied several times. He even lied to Castile about why he pulled him over. He thought Castile was a robbery suspect which might explain why he was so nervous and trigger-happy.

He murdered an innocent man then lied about the circumstances to try to save himself from jail time.

From the link:

When Castile drove past him, Yanez said they made eye contact and Castile gave him a “deer in the headlights look.” Yanez said he had "strong suspicions" that Castile was one of the suspects, according to the Minnesota Star Tribune.

He radioed his partner, Joseph Kauser, to inform him that he was stopping the car because the “occupants just look like people that were involved in a robbery,” according to the Star Tribune.

"I scared to death, I thought I was going to die," Yanez said, according to the Minnesota Star Tribune. "I had no other choice. I was forced to engage Mr. Castile. He was not complying with my directions."

Yanez told the jury that he saw Castile reaching for his gun. When he saw the metal of the gun, Yanez told the jury, “my family popped into my head. My wife. My baby girl," according to the Minnesota Star Tribune.

I don't understand how the jury found him innocent of second-degree manslaughter or reckless discharge of a firearm, the two crimes he was charged with.

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#5932710 - 06/21/17 11:28 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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Yeah, Yanez has quite the imagination. He even told investigators he thought he saw the barrel of the gun, despite the fact that the gun was still in Castile's pocket.
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#5932714 - 06/21/17 11:43 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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Oh, well. Jurors do strange things. Take the Slager shooting, for instance. Jurors watched a video of a cop shoot a man 9 times in the back as he is running away, then planting a taser on his dead body, and STILL the jury was hung.
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#5932719 - 06/21/17 11:50 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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Prosecutor can pull out all the stops...... Or not
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#5932721 - 06/21/17 11:52 AM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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I guess Slager has pleaded guilty in federal court and is awaiting sentencing. News articles said the maximum penalty is life, but the prosecution asked the judge to use the 2nd degree murder guidelines which has a max of 25 years.

I guess he decided he couldn't count on getting a jury with morons on it a second time.


Edited by BuckNE (06/21/17 11:56 AM)
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#5932850 - 06/21/17 03:12 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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A properly trained police officer would have told Castile to put his hands on the wheel, dash, etc when he was told he had a weapon. You see that on TV on shows like Cops. Castile was a loose cannon who panicked. Thank goodness he was fired. Hopefully, no other police force will be foolish enough to hire him.
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#5932851 - 06/21/17 03:13 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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Police murdered an innocent man then lied about the circumstances to try to save himself from jail time.
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#5932852 - 06/21/17 03:14 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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when is the NRA going to stand up for this law abding (conceal permit) man being gunned down by the police?

They have not said anything I have seen have they?
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#5932853 - 06/21/17 03:16 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: Cole semo]
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THIS!!

Originally Posted By: Cole simo
The silence of the second amendment crowd is deafening. It could have been you or it could have been me.


Edited by lebowski (06/21/17 03:16 PM)
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#5932861 - 06/21/17 03:31 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: lebowski]
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THIS!!

Originally Posted By: Cole simo
The silence of the second amendment crowd is deafening. It could have been you or it could have been me.


Can only assume neither of you are in agreement with the second amendment or are part of it. There seem to be plenty of people on here who haven't kept their silence.
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#5932868 - 06/21/17 03:35 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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The facts are. Not one of us were there and have no Idea what happened In that car.
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#5932875 - 06/21/17 03:50 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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I think here on this forum there has definitely been people speaking up about it. I think what Lebowski is referring to is that the largest gun rights organization has been silent.

I know when I get home tonight I'm peeling my NRA sticker off of my truck.

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#5932880 - 06/21/17 03:57 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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Why should the NRA get Involved? It just might have been a justified shooting.

Dosen't the NRA fight for our gun rights? I don't see where any ones gun rights were violated.
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#5932905 - 06/21/17 04:43 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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By Philando legally asking for permission for what is explicitly laid out as a GOVERNMENT Do NOT INFRINGE ON THIS ISSUE in the Constitution lead directly to Philando's death. If Philando had kept his mouth shUT about the gun- which is nobodies business but his- officer scaredy cat wouldn't have given him acute lead poisoning.
If I were to belong to a national gun rights organization, I would want them to speak up for a fellow gun owner who was gunned down without presenting a threat. Since the NRA is a partly political organization it may behoove them to try to influence gun laws that might prevent other gun owners from being whacked in their sedan while his special ladyfriend and child look on.

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#5933061 - 06/21/17 08:23 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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FlyinFinn has a point, in his own distorted way.

As a Minnesota permit to carry holder, Mr Castile was required to take a course. As a part of that course is a huge presentation on how to handle a traffic stop. Evidently, he was asleep, had someone else take the course for him, or had an instructor that was dumb as a box of rocks.

Had he either kept his mouth shut, or his hands in sight, there would have never been an issue.

While is seems that he simply made an innocent mistake; he really should have known better.
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#5933066 - 06/21/17 08:31 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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good plan trex. just tell the nice officer he can't check your license because your afraid to take your hands off the wheel.
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#5933067 - 06/21/17 08:33 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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to bad somebody had to die before anyone noticed this cop shoulda been a lawn mower for a landscaping company
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#5933069 - 06/21/17 08:36 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: danny clifton]
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good plan trex. just tell the nice officer he can't check your license because your afraid to take your hands off the wheel.

Yeah, and when you don't tell him/her that you have a CCW,(in Ohio) you may end up in the hoosegow...
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#5933093 - 06/21/17 08:58 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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Danny, and Catch, did you see the dashcam? The timing was way to far off. Pretty much as soon as Castile declared he had a weapon, he started reaching.

"Let's see those papers!" says cop

"I've got a gun" says driver.

Driver reaches for something.

Bang.



The cop would not have had a problem if the driver hesitated a bit to assure the cop understood.

A proper response to "show me your papers" ain't "I've got a gun" and start reaching.

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#5933101 - 06/21/17 09:06 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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I think Castile's biggest mistake was in underestimating just how scared the cop was.

The cop thought he had him a big bad armed robber, but Castile the school cafeteria worker didn't know that.
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#5933104 - 06/21/17 09:12 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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Are you implying that the assistant to the lunch lady didn't major in psychology?
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#5933105 - 06/21/17 09:12 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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I did watch it T-Rex, and will have to respectfully agree to disagree lol. I'm with Danny and a lot of other guys on this one. That LEO screwed the pooch and should never have gotten away with it, but he did. It's clear in that video that he was not LEO material.
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#5933111 - 06/21/17 09:21 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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OK Catch22, you disagree. Why?

What should an officer do in those circumstances? Seven shots, maybe not. Even the first shot, maybe or maybe not. But, unless he was completely incompetent, that gun needed to be presented.
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#5933122 - 06/21/17 09:39 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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OK Catch22, you disagree. Why?

What should an officer do in those circumstances? Seven shots, maybe not. Even the first shot, maybe or maybe not. But, unless he was completely incompetent, that gun needed to be presented.


Why?
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#5933127 - 06/21/17 09:45 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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Joking, right?

Guy announces he has a gun and starts reaching. Unless he is a suicidal masochist he needs to do something.
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#5933130 - 06/21/17 09:47 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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Yeah, most guys who intend to shoot you announce they have a gun before reaching for it.
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#5933134 - 06/21/17 09:49 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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Sorry, my 4 year old grandson just announced they needed a judge for his debate team.

Bye!
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#5933135 - 06/21/17 09:49 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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What kind of cop killer announces he has a gun and then reaches for it, rather than having it out of his pantaloons and ready to rock before the officer is at the window?

As it is, this post is a repeat.


Edited by FlyinFinn (06/21/17 09:50 PM)

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#5933136 - 06/21/17 09:50 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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Anyone read the transcript of the investigators' questioning 15 hours after the shooting? I did.

Yanez said he thought he saw a gun. Even claimed he saw the barrel.

Funny thing is, they found the gun in his pocket when they rolled Castile onto a backboard, and the paramedic testified that the cop who retrieved it had to "reach deep into his pocket" to get it.

Yanez never saw that gun. He saw a wallet and started blasting away.
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#5933143 - 06/21/17 09:56 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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That investigators' interview showed just how full of crap Yanez is.

First he said he didn't even remember the first 5 shots, and then he went into great detail about how he was aiming and positioning himself to avoid hitting the woman and the kid....with the shots he first said he didn't even remember.
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#5933144 - 06/21/17 09:56 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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Give up, Buck!

We all know, after the fact, that he wasn't reaching for the gun!!!!

HE WAS REACHING. HE APPEARED TO BE A THREAT.

GET OVER IT.
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#5933145 - 06/21/17 09:57 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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So, seeing the possible outcome of announcing that you are armed, does one risk the misdemeanor of not announcing in in order to lessen the chance of getting philando'd?
Do ya feel lucky, punk?

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#5933151 - 06/21/17 10:01 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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Hey Finn! Do you even have a driver's license? I wonder how you would respond to a traffic stop by the ruling class.
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#5933152 - 06/21/17 10:04 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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It could have been worse, I suppose. He could have plugged his partner and the 4 year old.
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#5933153 - 06/21/17 10:05 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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Hey Finn! Do you even have a driver's license? I wonder how you would respond to a traffic stop by the ruling class.

Are ya going to pull him over for something he did, or something he appeared to do lol. Threat assessment is apparently a lost art nowadays... And who in the world is "the ruling class" lol.
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#5933155 - 06/21/17 10:09 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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What does my driver's license status have to do with this? I don't have a pistol, so I don't have to worry about whether to announce my firearms status.

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#5933156 - 06/21/17 10:09 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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He was pulled over for the obvious reason of unsafe lights, and not so obvious as resembling a robber from the night before.

A Librtarian views the ruling class as anyone who would require permission for things like operating a vehicle on publically funded roadways.
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#5933159 - 06/21/17 10:11 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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You obviously don't know a lot about Libertarians.

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#5933160 - 06/21/17 10:12 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: BuckNE]
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It could have been worse, I suppose. He could have plugged his partner and the 4 year old.


Exactly...take a moment... think about it. You just got done running your line or going to the barber shop with you grandchild. Get pulled over for a tail light. You're a good, respectable citizen that respects LEOs andget pulled over. You tell the LEO that you have a firearm on you just to be safe and show respect. You continue to follow commands to give the LEO your DL but he's freaks out and proceeds to turn you into Swiss cheese in front of your grand daughter and wife.
The angle was slightly different and also put one in your grand daughter chest.

All you were doing was spending time me running g errands/lines with your family

Now because of a ill trained officer you and your granddaughter are dead for lawfully carrying while living.

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#5933161 - 06/21/17 10:14 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: FlyinFinn]
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You obviously don't know a lot about Libertarians.
You have the floor!
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#5933162 - 06/21/17 10:14 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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He was pulled over for the obvious reason of unsafe lights, and not so obvious as resembling a robber from the night before.

A Librtarian views the ruling class as anyone who would require permission for things like operating a vehicle on publically funded roadways.


Speaking of "resembling a robber", he told the investigators the only features he could remember about the description of the robber (and it was the previous week) was that he was black, had shoulder length hair, and a wide nose. That description probably fit a couple of guys in that town, ya think?
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#5933164 - 06/21/17 10:14 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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What do I care more about...mine and my families life or my right to carry?

Well...as bad as it might seem to you guys..it's my family's.
At this point in Americas history I'm not going to risk their lives for my right to carry.. I love them more than guns. Sorry.

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#5933167 - 06/21/17 10:19 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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Now, according to Tweed, we even have a dead granddaughter.

GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!

Legally carrying??? He was probably stoned. He never reported changing his address from Hennepin County to Ramsey county. As a separate issue, I doubt he was legally carrying.
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#5933172 - 06/21/17 10:23 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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Maybe Trex will be the next and go extinct.

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#5933173 - 06/21/17 10:24 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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Since tRex asked; my position as a libertarian is that the second amendment means exactly what it says when read in layman's terms. No infringement. It doesn't vary by zip code or race. There isn't a protected class of citizens who are owed any announcement to whether or not you have a firearm. I would like the total repeal without replacement of the national firearms act of 1934 and the gun control act of 1968 and the Brady bill of the 1980's as well as all state and local laws and ordanance pertaining to owning and carrying a firearm.

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#5933175 - 06/21/17 10:25 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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You never answered my question, Catch 22. Why was he not law enforcement material? Don't expect Danny to answer for you. Why?
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#5933179 - 06/21/17 10:30 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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Trex is Yanez's partner.

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#5933180 - 06/21/17 10:31 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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You never answered my question, Catch 22. Why was he not law enforcement material? Don't expect Danny to answer for you. Why?

I believe the video speaks for it's self, I mean like loud and clear! And Finn, I agree with your Libertarian stance on the 2nd.
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#5933183 - 06/21/17 10:33 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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I think the fact that another cop had to talk him into putting his gun away and backing off (told him 3 or 4 times) and Yanez just stood there wigged out says it all. I think the cop was expecting him to start blasting away again.
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#5933197 - 06/21/17 10:50 PM Re: Philandro Castile [Re: T-Rex]
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Watch the video of the child and his mother in the back of the cop car

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