Just wondering if anyone can post a picture of the K9 Extreme Jr next to a MB550. Having a hard time deciding on which trap to get. I have and love the 550's but have never seen an Extreme Jr in person. And if I get the Extremes, I have no idea on how I would want them modded. Thanks!

No brainer get the KO Jrs
I have mine outside laminated and 2 coiled. Plenty strong and quick. They lay flat and easy to tune. I had issues with the newer MB 550s and got rid of them
Very good fox and coyote trap if you have lots of fox and target both.
The only change I am making on mine is the JC Connor swivel so they bed even easier and clog less with mud than with a crunch proof swivel under the base plate.

I'm just curious what the issues are about the new 550s before I get more? Thanks

Thank you, Mr. Morse. Quite a difference in frame thickness by the look of that picture! I have been on the No BS website and seen the pictures on there, but wanted a pic of the two side by side. Thank you for that! By chance, do you have one with them both set side by side? Thanks again! I'll be at the convention in Escanaba this Saturday. It would be great to find a dozen or two when I'm there!

I could not get consistent pan tension for fox. I have more fox than coyotes and never had a fox toe catch until I used the 550's. Also if someone can post a picture of both set you will see the JRs have a more square opening. Some of it is just personal preference.
I do like the JRs dog less system and the pan sits lower like a step down pan.

The pan sits 1/4 " below the jaws.

The juniors are rediculous. They are like a tank. Curious as to how much foot damage they do. By far the heaviest trap Iv handled by far.

They are really easy on feet. I have had no issues with the JRs on red fox or raccoons. I even caught my own beagle in one with no issues. The electric fence collar broke and she decided to visit my test set up the hill from the house. Caught a stray black lab as well with no issues other than my son wanting to keep her. Luckily we found the owner and I don't have to feed another worthless couch dog.

What do the juniors weigh? I believe the bigger k9 extreme trap weighs in at four pounds per trap. ALOT trap to haul around. But i dont think you have to worry about the trap getting bent up. Excellent coyote and cat trap.

I don't understand the problems with the 550's.I've run them for several years,old and new and have yet to get anything but above the pad holds on fox,cats and coyotes.If you like them and are already using them,buy them.Shipping on MB's,for 4 doz,is cheaper than 1 doz no BS.The MB 550,2 coiled,weighs 2 lb 3.6 oz.

Having said that,I bought a sample Junior and Extreme,4 coiled,double lammed.They are an amazing trap,as well designed as any I've seen.The pan sits perfectly level with zero wobble-just perfect.I can't find anything about them I'd change except the physical weight.If that's not a problem for you,I can't see how you can go wrong with the no BS.They are nice.

2TRAPS is right,they aren't going to get banged up.They are built like a tank and feel like one when you carry them.Amazing traps though.

I run the 550 os 4 coiled and by bending the dog where the flat meets the round I get consistent 2# pan tension.

I also file an extra notch so the dog stays in place when setting. Thanks 2 traps..


Perfect

I sure wish they were adjustable dogless though..

I like those safety notches also. Helps me alot. Going be hard to beat The 550 as multi species trap. I may just sell all my traps and run nothing but the 550s. But I just got so many good traps I use them all.

Lots of great choices nowadays thanks to Mr. coyote..

Wish that the sterling ' s went so hard to find or so expensive would be fun to give them a try.

The Sterling was the first hardcore coyote trap. Then more followed, thanks to Mr. coyote.

Well, Thank you all for the replies. I just got back from the convention and bought a 1/2 dozen of both the Jr's and the full size Extremes. Like what was already stated- TANKS! I had a great and lengthy conversation with Kendals brother, Kurt, and was amazed with their products. I got the 6 Extremes (os,ol,4coil), 6 Jr's(os,ol,4coil), 1 dozen 1.5's(dj,ol)(thanks 2traps!), 1 dozen of their DP's and a jar of their K9 bait. Can't wait to put them in the ground!

Hay man no problem. What do you think about his bait. Wanted to try it.

Well, it stinks! I was mistaken, I got the K9 Extreme Force LURE, not bait. But in all seriousness, I believe it will work pretty well. You can smell some skunk, but not too much. I forgot to mention that I also got one of their WolfFang drivers. They had a prototype of their Extreme Beaver trap there too. I tried my hardest to get Kurt to sell it to me (I wanted to be the first to own/use one), but he wouldn't. He said that the jaws and levers weren't even heat treated yet, that they pretty much just threw it together to have it to show. I'll tell you what, it looks like one heck of a beaver trap! And for the record, I love the 550's but the Extreme Jr blows it out of the water! No BS about it (pun intended)

what is the outside jaw spread on the KO Jrs? and laminated?

Inside-5 1/4, outside-5 11/16 (without lamination, from their catalog). I believe they use 3/16 laminations. The catalog says "jaw lamination is custom made, it's between 3/16 and 1/4 rod. Top and bottom is flat and sides are round".

The inside lam is smaller than the outside.

They charge way too much for shipping 32.00 I think.

Wondering if any venders will have these at the Michigan convention in Evart?

Kendall is the only vendor carrying these unless you find them from a tailgater.

I thought so....was hoping to get one in my hands prior to buying....plus save a little on shipping...

You won't be disappointed with the traps. The Extremes and Jr's are awesome. The 1.5's are the best I've ever seen. I know I saved a TON on shipping by buying them at the convention.

Ditch
Which vendor did you purchase the extremes from? Assuming you got them at the UP convention......

My laminated JRs are 6" outside 5 1/4" inside. I only run laminated on the JRs .
I have a dozen unlaminated Extremes but don't like them as much as the laminated Extremes. Easier on the feet and legs of fox when laminated IMO.

I wonder how you know that ...

I think he is just happy with his new traps...nothing wrong with that....I'm sure he has set them about 100 times by now...
Don't we all???

I have set them multiple times, ambush , not for trapping purposes, just for fun. Like a kid who gets a bike for Christmas, in the middle of a snow storm. The kid HAS to ride it in the basement a few times, even if he can't go outside on a bike ride. To answer your question- No-BS had a booth set up, and I bought them straight from Kendall's brother, Kurt. He is a very good guy and spent quite a while talking with me. Hawks- all the footholds I bought from No-BS are outside laminated, even the 1.5's. they are all VERY strong and fast, and can see the benefit of the lams.

After 2 years running the KO 1.5s I agree. They're the best.

Ditch

Glad you like them, I will try a few this year myself....will be putting them to use during our cat season...

Man! I wish I could go after cats down here! We don't have a lot, but they are around. Last year while coyote hunting, I had one almost pounce on me. I heard a little movement to my left and as I was hitting the call (mouth call), I turned my head and it took off like lightning. It was only about 5 yards away by the time I saw it. It was dark and I didn't get a good look at it, but I would guess that it was 25-30 pounds. Not huge, but big enough to scare ya in the middle of the night!

Exciting I'm sure.....not a lot of cats up here, I put in many hours scouting for a cat, got lucky to finally locate one or two in an area
no luck picking one up but came close...spent time after our big 10 day season and kept tabs on the area ended up finding several great locations for this coming season....snow is your friend while looking for cats, easier to pin one down...

The short cat season and the short limit stinks...I'd love to go to the UP and trap cats but with a limit of 2 no way..

Does anyone know the load limit on the chained WolfFangs that come on the NO-BS DP's? I was thinking about putting them on the JR's and some of my 550's.

What size chain do they have? I would think the load would be greater than chained super stakes.

Not sure of the chain size...#2 maybe? But, due to the coating that comes on it, I'm not real sure if the links are welded and don't know if it is American or foreign. You can look on their website and see a picture. I would just hate to put them on different footholds and find out the hard way. I'll PM Kendall and get some more information. I'll let you all know what he says.

Do yourself a favor use 1/8inch cable and a few lengths of chain trap will bed better plus cable has more breaking strength than chain .

I've always used cable (1/8th") without problems. I just figured that I would use the chained WolfFangs on some footholds since I don't need them on DP's.

It is a very nice bonus to get them on the DP's though.

I agree !!

I had couple them wolf fangs come loose were the ring is welded to chain and wolffang. Fine for coon but I'm not sure I would run them on k9 traps.

I go a step farther and use stainless,1/8".They hold up extremely well.I also spray prime the anchor head.I'm surprised how well that lasted through a season in harsh,alkaline soils.I plan to spray them each season and give them plenty of time to cure.

I saw the chained fangs that KO uses on DPs at last years NTA. The chain is #2 welded american machine chain. The same I use on Super stakes. You will be good..

2traps- that little ring was my biggest concern. Sounds crazy, but I can't really tell if the chain is welded or not. Each link looks solid enough (completely closed), but where the weld would be just looks tightly closed. No weld or grinder marks showing. What would be the best thing to replace that ring holding the anchor to the chain?

How well does the coating hold up on these traps?