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#5950855 - 07/14/17 10:58 PM Re: Baby powder vs borax [Re: rpmartin]
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Why would I not be serious?If you leave the front legs on or do any skins for taxi,you have to initially dry them so there are no folds under the front legs.Only a few hours until you turn them.Then you can hang them.

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#5950934 - 07/15/17 06:20 AM Re: Baby powder vs borax [Re: rpmartin]
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Yes, that would be a good option. Never give it enough thought before I replied. Thanks
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#5957608 - 07/23/17 10:59 AM Re: Baby powder vs borax [Re: rpmartin]
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Ive sent alot of pelts to Moyle's to tan. All have been boraxed with zero issues when returned. Some have hung for a year before I've sent them. So my question is this, If borax impedes or causes problems with the tanning process what is it?? I don't use it as a crutch but to help speed the drying process.
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#5958643 - 07/24/17 07:03 PM Re: Baby powder vs borax [Re: rpmartin]
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I know what you mean trappergbus. It seems to be a he said she said deal with the borax. Like said above I just use it sparingly on coyotes.

Here is another question for anyone that would like to offer their opinion. I rub borax like crazy on bobcat bellies to whiten and brighten after they are dry, anyone doing this knows it makes a huge difference. So what could be used besides borax to do this?
I doubt if baby powder would as good as borax.
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#5958687 - 07/24/17 07:53 PM Re: Baby powder vs borax [Re: rpmartin]
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Powdered chalk is used in the industry as a whitener and cleaner for white fur.

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#5958783 - 07/24/17 09:12 PM Re: Baby powder vs borax [Re: rpmartin]
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Borax is a great fur cleaner and brightener IMO as can be seen in the following before and after coyote pelt pictures. Just be sure you shack and brush it out of the pelt so it does not annoy the graders. And, it's my understanding that it has nil effect on the pelt tanning process, at least when brushed and well shaken out of the pelt before processing.
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#5958854 - 07/24/17 09:59 PM Re: Baby powder vs borax [Re: rpmartin]
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Boco, that's good to know, do you mean the kind that is used on a chalkboard? Where do you get this chalk?

Bctomcat, I remember seeing those pics I think in the archives. Big difference!

Imo the graders still know if borax was used no matter how well you clean it up. but they don't know if it was used before or after the pelt was dry. Do you think this makes a difference?
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#5958867 - 07/24/17 10:13 PM Re: Baby powder vs borax [Re: rpmartin]
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Imo the graders still know if borax was used no matter how well you clean it up. but they don't know if it was used before or after the pelt was dry. Do you think this makes a difference?
NO
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#6066297 - 11/26/17 10:58 PM Re: Baby powder vs borax [Re: rpmartin]
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I put toilet paper tubes in front legs to hold them to dry. Really quick and simple.
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#6196327 - 03/22/18 08:26 PM Re: Baby powder vs borax [Re: rpmartin]
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Hey Boco, I used your suggestion to dry my coyotes horizontally, it worked great. You da fur man! Thanks
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#6196339 - 03/22/18 08:34 PM Re: Baby powder vs borax [Re: rpmartin]
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Wouldn't any residue from Borax be completely gone before the pelt hits the graders table due to the drumming process?
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#6196407 - 03/22/18 09:43 PM Re: Baby powder vs borax [Re: rpmartin]
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You would think so, but the way greg talked, (he is a fha guy) the graders could tell. How I have no idea. Good question. Maybe just trying to curb the use of borax.
I do know one point he was stressing was do not skip the flip. As in do not put a bunch of borax on a stretched hide fur out and then put a mink board in it to help dry. This seemed to be his pet peeve, he said if he seen this done he would throw straight in the garbage.

Edit, don't think he said he would throw in the trash but should be thrown in the trash.
I believe he is a receiving agent for fha and said if he seen coyotes like this would not except them.


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#6196740 - 03/23/18 09:43 AM Re: Baby powder vs borax [Re: rpmartin]
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In the fur trade I don't see any reason to even leave the front legs on any critter. Except when dealing with cats. Are you going to get down graded on commercial type coyotes and fox If the front legs are gone?
Now If you working with wall hangers maybe.

When dealing with the front legs I just place the end of the stretcher between the steps of a ladder. Now the legs are hanging straight down and will dry In the arm pit area. I have alway's done this with coyotes and fox. And when leaving on the front legs I split them up to the elbow and then pin them to some cardboard strips. And of coarse if your getting them tanned you can skip the flip.
I was told when Howell boys were In the processing business the walls In the drying room were set up with slots so all the streachers were placed In a somewhat a horizontal position.

I don't use any borax or baby powder on my skins. But I do use a spray on stain remover that does a exceptional job on removing blood stains. And works pretty good on those stained bellies.
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#6197235 - 03/23/18 07:12 PM Re: Baby powder vs borax [Re: rpmartin]
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I put mine on saw horses where no hide is in contact of them so they dry great. The front legs are only about 2" when dry, then when turned fur out the legs get pointed toward the middle. I was going to use the bands but this is easier and in my opinion looks just as good. You can barely see where the legs are.

I still use borax on the tail before I turn. I'm to lazy to pin the tail.
What do you with your tails, sorry if you have told me already.


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#6197336 - 03/23/18 08:40 PM Re: Baby powder vs borax [Re: rpmartin]
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Originally Posted By: rpmartin


I still use borax on the tail before I turn. I'm to lazy to pin the tail.
What do you with your tails, sorry if you have told me already.
Use a heavy piece of cardbord or cedar shake for pinning tails on split boards.
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#6197584 - 03/24/18 06:59 AM Re: Baby powder vs borax [Re: rpmartin]
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I use bocos trick for the tail.

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#6198003 - 03/24/18 01:27 PM Re: Baby powder vs borax [Re: rpmartin]
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I put one pin In the tail to keep It In place and never had any problems with them drying.
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#6198845 - 03/25/18 08:11 AM Re: Baby powder vs borax [Re: rpmartin]
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Sounds good, thanks guys
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