2017/2018 Maine hunting/trapping thread
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What have my fellow Mainers been up to? Anyone persisting through the bad fur prices and ludicrous regulations to trap this fall? I didn't get much chance to trap last fall/winter between college and logging, but I'm looking to get back into the swing of things this fall and hopefully work up a decent pile of fur, maybe even some marten.
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Re: 2017/2018 Maine hunting/trapping thread
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Going to trap at least some muskrats during early season then maybe some mink,otter sets with a few sets for bobcats thrown in.Maybe just maybe a few fisher and marten sets.
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Re: 2017/2018 Maine hunting/trapping thread
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Caught 114 muskrats and a mink.Not going to trap marten and fisher untill they do away with the exclusion cages.
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Re: 2017/2018 Maine hunting/trapping thread
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Thanks.Good luck trapping.You using the exclusion cages for fisher with the opening in the side or the front?
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Re: 2017/2018 Maine hunting/trapping thread
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I'm using a 50/50 mix of wood and wire with my marten boxes, and my fisher box is wire. I've heard of quite a few people getting fisher in their marten boxes.
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Re: 2017/2018 Maine hunting/trapping thread
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The ones they are getting in their marten boxes are females and small males.I'm hearing the fisher exclusion cages with the opening on the side is working much better then the one with the opening in the front.At least they are catching a few.If you don't mind let me know what you find out on the trapline.Thanks,Bruce
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Re: 2017/2018 Maine hunting/trapping thread
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last year got 5 marten and 5 fisher in them out of 36 traps. Of the 5 fisher were they caught with the openings on the side of the fisher exclusion cage or the front,or marten sets?
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Re: 2017/2018 Maine hunting/trapping thread
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Set 6 Marten sets today and 3 mink/muskrat sets. My exclusion devices are made out of wire, but I have one that I made out of wood to try out this year. I set the wooden one on the ground the rest are wired to leaning or downed logs. Anyone set their wooden boxes on the ground and any advice on setting them on the ground? I have done the same as you with wiring the wire up and setting wood on the ground. I don't have a whole lot of knowledge of the devices since this is my first year using them heavily. All I know is that I have been told to mark them well before any threats of snow, because once they are buried they are hard to recover.
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Re: 2017/2018 Maine hunting/trapping thread
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Caught 114 muskrats and a mink.Not going to trap marten and fisher untill they do away with the exclusion cages. I do believe that there is a strong possibility of this.
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Re: 2017/2018 Maine hunting/trapping thread
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Caught 114 muskrats and a mink.Not going to trap marten and fisher untill they do away with the exclusion cages. I do believe that there is a strong possibility of this. I have heard that there was a possibility of it happening this past summer, but people weren't able to work things out to get it done.
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Re: 2017/2018 Maine hunting/trapping thread
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In a perfect world, SAM could lobby Gov LePage to work with the Trump Administration to resolve this non-sense of an endangered specie. The Wikipedia definition of endangered specie is as follows; " An endangered species is a species which has been categorized to become extinct"
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Re: 2017/2018 Maine hunting/trapping thread
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Today's first run of the whole line netted a large weasel, with some brown still on the back
Alex How often will you be running your line?
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In a perfect world, SAM could lobby Gov LePage to work with the Trump Administration to resolve this non-sense of an endangered specie. The Wikipedia definition of endangered specie is as follows; " An endangered species is a species which has been categorized to become extinct" Would be awesome.
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Re: 2017/2018 Maine hunting/trapping thread
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Today's first run of the whole line netted a large weasel, with some brown still on the back
Alex How often will you be running your line? Running a 3 day check right now because I have some sets in organized towns. Once it gets colder I will go to a 5 day check in just unorganized towns. A 3 day check is hard right now with school, but I'm making it work. Alex
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Re: 2017/2018 Maine hunting/trapping thread
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Its not that cold yet.Want to keep an eye on that 3 day check. Only do a 3 day check for one stretch of the week. I do daily checks for the rest of the week. Alex
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Re: 2017/2018 Maine hunting/trapping thread
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Seems like it should be a good year for otter. Sign is plentiful.
Alex Alex, what sign are you seeing with otter? With the exception of toilets and crossovers, otter do not leave much sign.
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Re: 2017/2018 Maine hunting/trapping thread
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Fresh water clam shells is one sign but muskrats also eat those as well.
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Re: 2017/2018 Maine hunting/trapping thread
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Seems like it should be a good year for otter. Sign is plentiful.
Alex Alex, what sign are you seeing with otter? With the exception of toilets and crossovers, otter do not leave much sign. Toilets mostly, as well as seeing otters themselves Alex
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Re: 2017/2018 Maine hunting/trapping thread
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Sorry I don't have a picture of the box I caught him in. Nice catch with the coni pans. It is something new I am trying. The trap is a victor 120. The box is a standard 4x4 opening wooden box. Alex
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Re: 2017/2018 Maine hunting/trapping thread
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The majority of mine are 120 size, with the exception of one 160 size. I have about a 50/50 mix of wood and wire boxes, and am anxious to see which proves to be more effective. Thanks, Alex
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Re: 2017/2018 Maine hunting/trapping thread
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Hey JWood, if you are driving by my place you have seen that my boxes are still on the porch. When are the bears going in? Where did you find snow? I might start in a week or so. Butch, Have you been trapping this year?
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Re: 2017/2018 Maine hunting/trapping thread
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Had bait chewed but trap unfired in a wire box today. The way my traps set in the boxes I don't think the animal had to fully commit to step on my coni pan. The trap was too close.
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Re: 2017/2018 Maine hunting/trapping thread
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Had bait chewed but trap unfired in a wire box today. The way my traps set in the boxes I don't think the animal had to fully commit to step on my coni pan. The trap was too close.
Alex Mouse? or weasel?
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Had bait chewed but trap unfired in a wire box today. The way my traps set in the boxes I don't think the animal had to fully commit to step on my coni pan. The trap was too close.
Alex Mouse? or weasel? The bait was tore up and pulled from the wire. I am thinking either weasel or marten. The coni pan was only an inch or two from the bait so either could have avoided setting off the trap. I reset with the pan in the other direction. Alex
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Re: 2017/2018 Maine hunting/trapping thread
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Checked the sets the other day caught 1 big male fisher in a big set and had 2 bear hits. fisher measured 33 inches from nose to skirt. That's a nice one.
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Re: 2017/2018 Maine hunting/trapping thread
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If you know where the Martin are I'm sure you can do better than that but I'm setting blind hoping for some fresh snow soon. I set on sign in a few spots and it paid off. I've been having action at all my sets I set on tracks from the snow 2 weeks ago. But I am also running a much shorter line than you. Did you prebait at all? Alex
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Re: 2017/2018 Maine hunting/trapping thread
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If you know where the Martin are I'm sure you can do better than that but I'm setting blind hoping for some fresh snow soon. I set on sign in a few spots and it paid off. I've been having action at all my sets I set on tracks from the snow 2 weeks ago. But I am also running a much shorter line than you. Did you prebait at all? Alex Pre-baiting does not work:
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Re: 2017/2018 Maine hunting/trapping thread
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Here in Maine the trap is measured when set from inside center of jaw to inside center of other jaw going straight across trap pan.You don't measure from where jaws are attached to the frame.That measurement don't matter.
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Re: 2017/2018 Maine hunting/trapping thread
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Here in Maine the trap is measured when set from inside center of jaw to inside center of other jaw going straight across trap pan.You don't measure from where jaws are attached to the frame.That measurement don't matter. Thanks for helping a new guy out, Bruce. I appreciate the help.
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Thanks for the compliments on the bear, guys. I wish it had showed up in September.
Trap question for you guys in the units restricting trap size to 5 3/8th inches. How is the figure arrived at? I just bought some MB 550's based on their description of trap size but I'm thinking they measure inside center of jaw to inside center of jaw when the trap is set.
It looks bigger than that where the jaws attach to the frame when the trap is set. I don't have a tape handy. How is Mr. Warden going to view this? No problem with the 550's in Maine. The 550-RC has an outside jaw spread of 5 1/2” and an inside jaw spread of 4 3/4”. Here is one at work in northern Maine from a few weeks ago. This was a mean old red 'yote & got a second one here two days later.
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Here in Maine the trap is measured when set from inside center of jaw to inside center of other jaw going straight across trap pan.You don't measure from where jaws are attached to the frame.That measurement don't matter. Thanks for helping a new guy out, Bruce. I appreciate the help. Any time.
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That sure looks like an old coyote.Wonder how many deer that one had killed in its life.
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No problem with the 550's in Maine. The 550-RC has an outside jaw spread of 5 1/2” and an inside jaw spread of 4 3/4”. Here is one at work in northern Maine from a few weeks ago. This was a mean old red 'yote & got a second one here two days later. That's a nice looking animal. I have a friend who just moved here to live off the grid. She told me she heard some coyotes outside her cabin the other night so she grabbed her light and handgun and went outside to see what was going on. She claims there were at least twenty sets of eyes she shined. I find it hard to believe but she is sticking to her story. How far from Ashland? Send me the location and I'll go thin them out, LOL.
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Whats everyone using for posting pictures?
My photobucket says its full even though Ive deleted a lot of pics.
Thanks I upload them directly from my computer Alex
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Re: 2017/2018 Maine hunting/trapping thread
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Well I pulled the line today. Work and school obligations didn't leave me any time to trap and enjoy it. It was a good little run, catching a marten, fisher, weasel, and muskrat. Doesn't sound like much to many, but it was nice to get back trapping.
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Re: 2017/2018 Maine hunting/trapping thread
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Well I pulled the line today. Work and school obligations didn't leave me any time to trap and enjoy it. It was a good little run, catching a marten, fisher, weasel, and muskrat. Doesn't sound like much to many, but it was nice to get back trapping
Alex Sounds good to me!
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Re: 2017/2018 Maine hunting/trapping thread
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Nice pics everyone . Ive had some so bad luck this year on the marten and fisher line, one fisher thats it. Must be a bad year for marten or is it just me? Is this the "off" year for marten? I have been told that it is good every other year.
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Re: 2017/2018 Maine hunting/trapping thread
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Pretty sure the exclusion devices don't help with fisher or marten harvest They sure don't help.
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Re: 2017/2018 Maine hunting/trapping thread
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My wife convinced me to take a break from cleaning up the aftermath of the fur shed fire and go check traps in the woods (she's great). Nothing like a trapline to get your mind off of other issues for a few hours. The antler was a nice bonus - earliest one I've ever found! Very nice.
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Just getting back in cell service from The Martin line. I have some interesting observations on the exclusion devices. Will share more when I have the chance to sit down in front of a computer. Looking forward to hearing it.
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Just getting back in cell service from The Martin line. I have some interesting observations on the exclusion devices. Will share more when I have the chance to sit down in front of a computer. Looking forward to hearing it. X2
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For a month now, I've had 60 marten/fisher sets in the woods. Approx. 30 of them are the 120 style devices with a 4x4" opening, and a straight shot from entrance hole to the bait. The other 30 are 160/220 devices, with the larger hole, but a 90 degree turn at the entrance of the box. It's been a slow year, and so far I've caught 7 marten and 3 fishers. Every single one of those 10 animals have been caught in the 120 style boxes. All I've caught in the 160/220 boxes are small weasels. I had a refusal in a 160 box the other day, so experimented by putting a 120 box six feet away. Just visited the set today, and there was a marten in the 120 box. See video below: https://youtu.be/a8BBXPCIZ-EI'm not sure what's going on, but it's possible that not being able to see inside the box, see the bait, or see the back of the box, or difficulty navigating the 90 degree turn, is preventing them from entering the larger boxes. Whatever it is specifically, it's been a huge learning experience for me. I'd be interested in hearing how many folks have caught marten/fisher in the larger boxes this year. I have heard of some being caught last year, but last year was a hunger year for marten/fisher up here. This year food is everywhere and they can be picky. Not 100% sure, but I've learned enough to go all in on 120 boxes next year. Hope this helps.
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Re: 2017/2018 Maine hunting/trapping thread
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Hey JWood, now you tell me. I put out most of my small boxes and thought I needed some big ones. So I put out about a dozen "big side entrance" boxes in the past three days. BTW, I might have driven past some of your sets today. I went out Rocky to Quebec and turned left. 193 miles later I had 18 more boxes out. Saw a pack of six bulls together out there if you're looking for more horns. I did get 3 fisher and 4 or 5 marten in the side entrance boxes last year. Maybe the deep snow helped. Note the hole something chewed in the side of the box. I watched a squirrel trying to get into a side entrance box yesterday. All the sq. did was try to squeeze in the spring slot climb over the box and try the other side. It did that 2 or 3 times before I chased it away.
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Re: 2017/2018 Maine hunting/trapping thread
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jwood exactly what I have been hearing all along.You will catch smaller fisher and marten in the smaller boxes with the straight shot.No fisher in the larger boxes with the opening in the front and a very few in the larger boxes with the opening in the side.
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Re: 2017/2018 Maine hunting/trapping thread
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Jeremiah, I guess I can add to your theory. One my line this year I set one side entrance 160 box and the rest were 120 boxes. I caught 1 marten and 1 fisher in the 120 boxes. I also caught 1 marten in a 120 box in the past. I set my 160 box where I had seen a fisher run across the road in front of me and had it set for almost a month. I regularly had my 160 box disturbed (boughs tore off around back, tracks around it) but nothing ever stepped foot in it.
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Re: 2017/2018 Maine hunting/trapping thread
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I'd imagine it would work for the laws. Should work. Lord knows with the wardens here though, haven't found many to be trusted that doesn't like to pinch people for the dumbest things just because "it's the law" and they interpret it differently.
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Re: 2017/2018 Maine hunting/trapping thread
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Concerning the 4 inch opening on 120 sized boxes: I saw somewhere that someone was turning the 4 inch opening on it's side creating a diamond shaped opening. Anybody know if this is an acceptable way to build them? Still a 4 inch opening depending where the measurement is taken from. Also would allow a Fisher a little more space to get themselves into the box. Wardens never had an issue with me doing it. It's still a 4x4 opening, there is no law governing how it is oriented. Alex
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Concerning the 4 inch opening on 120 sized boxes: I saw somewhere that someone was turning the 4 inch opening on it's side creating a diamond shaped opening. Anybody know if this is an acceptable way to build them? Still a 4 inch opening depending where the measurement is taken from. Also would allow a Fisher a little more space to get themselves into the box. Lt. Tom Ward told me that was acceptable.
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Re: 2017/2018 Maine hunting/trapping thread
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Jwood, good video.
The year the state made the boxes a law the fisher catch was around 165 +/- and the marten catch about the same. Now consider this, my fur buyer has records of many years buying 1500 fisher. The boxes are not efficient and are the pipe dream of a non long liner.
I along with several friends had always dreamed that when we retired from regular work that we could run long lines much like we did in the 70s and 80s. Well you can, but not efficiently for fisher or marten. The state has ended that.
I have caught a lot of very large fisher in 120s in boxes. The 120 or 5x5 in boxes work very well and are perhaps my favorite fisher sets, but are now illegal. I would suggest that the 120 or 5x5 set in a box, keeping the trap back a decent distance from he opening would be an acceptable set up for avoiding the non threatened Lynx. An adult Lynx only has a arm so long. It seems plausible that it would be quite difficult for a Lynx to get into a trap that was recessed say 20" into a box, even with a opening slightly larger than a trap. This type of a box has probably not been tested because it would be too efficient and no one from the MTA has suggested it.
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Re: 2017/2018 Maine hunting/trapping thread
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Mac; Not only was that suggested but it was put forth as a motion which carried. Then was ignored by the mta. Just to keep the record straight. This and many other suggestions were made by trappers that actually trap, to no avail. Don't ever make the mistake of expecting any degree of logic pertaining to the Lynx debacle. I guess they cave in order to appease the anti's.
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It's pretty bad when we're only allowed 10 fisher a year and can't even come close to that harvest individually with dozens of traps out. I have trapped years with only 20 or so traps out because I was just starting and still in school but was able to fill all my tags. Too bad too because fisher are one of the only profitable furbearers left in this state.
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Re: 2017/2018 Maine hunting/trapping thread
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Checked a few "fisher exclusion devices" today. Had three that made a million tracks but would not go in the 4" hole also had 1 walk all around & on a side entrance box, but would not go in. Are you trapping the western mountains or are you up north?
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Nice red.Could have been a flyer.
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Re: 2017/2018 Maine hunting/trapping thread
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Thats a big area your trapping. I only have 60-70 fisher exclusion boxes out. I skip over 20-30 miles where someone else is trapping. Had four fisher work the area around the box hard last night, but they would not go in.
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Re: 2017/2018 Maine hunting/trapping thread
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This lynxie walked the road for almost three miles. We should be able to trap lynx.
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Re: 2017/2018 Maine hunting/trapping thread
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This lynxie walked the road for almost three miles. We should be able to trap lynx. I saw an estimate where we had around a thousand in the state. What are we allowed, three incidental catches and they can shut us down?
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Canada and Alaska are full of lynx.There is no logical reason why we can't also trap lynx.They are not endangered.
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" Don't ever make the mistake of expecting any degree of logic pertaining to the Lynx debacle."
Absolutely correct. It is maddening. Mac
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Re: 2017/2018 Maine hunting/trapping thread
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I'm picking up a few more fisher this week with the snow. I'm guessing theyre getting hungry but unfortunately the season closes here where I am the 15th. I too live in a zone that the season ends the 15th. Fisher have always been watched like the proverbial Hawk, and often over regulated. I would consider most if not all of the restrictions put on fisher over the years to be capricious and ludicrous. Fisher numbers have always fluctuated as a course that nature follows. Having spent thousands of hours in the woods on snow I have seen first hand how populations change. Fisher are not in danger during these times. Not at all. If the market is high, it is a bit of a different story. In a high market which I may never live to see again, It makes absolutely no sense in having a month long season in areas in which other animals can be harvested. I do not have a degree as a biologist but have spent considerable time trapping and studying wildlife in the last fifty years, so therefore have learned a bit. I have caught fisher in coyote and bobcat sets through the years that had to be released. Not a good deal if you have any inclination of common sense. Common sense truly has become a super power. It was my understanding that the state was concerned with a box open ended the size of a 120 or 5x5 due to the fact that during testing it appeared that a lynx kitten might fit in one. Well ye old science experts, there is not much of a chance of a Lynx kitten or kitten size roaming around the woods in November or December, Those varmints will be adult size by that time of the year. But again, I suggest that common sense may be a super power. I, like many of my friends had hoped to be able to run a true long line for fisher and marten when I retired. The investment in purchasing a car hauler to transport in efficient boxes into the North woods does not make it feasible. The feds and the state have ended that dream of many of us. It is sad that wildlife management does not exist. Instead it is a matter of appeasing the antis and the dam feds. Neither of which have a clue about true wildlife management, and neither care a dam thing about the animals. As for the anti groups, it is more about furnishing salaries for a bunch of useless and certainly misdirected humans that would chose any other cause if there were bigger salaries in that. As for the feds expertise; look at any of the government. Case closed. Mac
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Re: 2017/2018 Maine hunting/trapping thread
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Re: 2017/2018 Maine hunting/trapping thread
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What we need is a 160 size box with a 5 or 6 inch hole in the front. That would work much better.Could recess it with no baffle so a lynx could not reach it.
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Re: 2017/2018 Maine hunting/trapping thread
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I too pulled in anticipation of the storm. Gear shifter snapped on the truck just after dark, had to limp 40+ miles back to town, grabbed my farm truck and back out to the woods in the dark and zero degrees. Pulled em all, got done at 3 AM the next day. 3:24 AM met my first vehicle - a logger headed in on his morning commute. Caught up on sleep, worked and moved snow, and finally got back to checking this thread. I did finally catch a fisher in one of the side entrance devices. Also had two obvious refusals in fresh snow within 24 hrs. Will try and post a couple pics and video link soon. I hate it when that happens. My truck went down out by Blue Pond in Oct. A Sat Phone & 3 A's got me home by 8 PM or so on a Saturday night & the guy from Twins Garage in Ft Kent even fixed my truck & I was good to roll the next morning.
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Re: 2017/2018 Maine hunting/trapping thread
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Looks like at least you can get the frozen fisher out of the wooden boxes.
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Re: 2017/2018 Maine hunting/trapping thread
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Looks like at least you can get the frozen fisher out of the wooden boxes. Male fishers in a little box are a problem. This guy needed to thaw before removal. Lol
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