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#5997318 - 09/12/17 07:18 PM Seasoned coyote men
Dave Plueger Offline
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While trapping coon on a river I trap, I always put in a few coyote sets at the ends of sand bars. They are quite effective, however I've yet to find a fool proof anchoring system. I've used pogos, earth anchors, cross staked, used drags, and I still have a few issues with each. Any suggestions? This is sugar sand, and very loose.

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#5997339 - 09/12/17 07:43 PM Re: Seasoned coyote men [Re: Dave Plueger]
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How bout a 90# bag of concrete ? Water on site , dig a hole and place a permanent anchor attachment ..........??
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#5997356 - 09/12/17 07:58 PM Re: Seasoned coyote men [Re: Dave Plueger]
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Almost all my traps get pounded in sand. Some spots I go 16" down and sometimes I have to go 24" down with earth anchors. I have never lost a trap to an animal pulling the anchor out. Not sure how deep you're going? I love the sand compared to rocky ground.
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#5997360 - 09/12/17 08:02 PM Re: Seasoned coyote men [Re: Dave Plueger]
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Hi Dave,
I trap in that wonderful stuff too (sugar sand) and the best thing I've found to use is a one hole concrete block. I put a piece of chain on it haul it up dig my hole so that it when I put the block in the hole, hole up I can bury the trap so that the levers rest on the block but the frame is over the open hole in the block. I use waxed dirt to finish it out and with sand packed tight around the outside it is rock solid drains well and with waxed dirt it stays weatherproof. It's the only thing I've found that was fool proof. Hope this helps.
Rick


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#5997369 - 09/12/17 08:09 PM Re: Seasoned coyote men [Re: Dave Plueger]
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#5997370 - 09/12/17 08:10 PM Re: Seasoned coyote men [Re: Dave Plueger]
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Thanks everyone...I've been using 18" earth anchors, but I'll have to try longer.

I like the permanent anchor idea. I trap these same locations year in and year out so once in place, I'm good to go for a while.

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#5997384 - 09/12/17 08:24 PM Re: Seasoned coyote men [Re: Dave Plueger]
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A good sized tree limb you could use it for blocking and a drag!
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#5997408 - 09/12/17 08:34 PM Re: Seasoned coyote men [Re: Dave Plueger]
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Dig a hole about 2 feet deep. Take 1 gallon paint can lids and attach a length of chain to the lid. Bury lid and your good to go.
A post hole digger makes short work of digging that hole.
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#5997411 - 09/12/17 08:36 PM Re: Seasoned coyote men [Re: Dave Plueger]
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longer chain on trap works pretty good they cant pump them near as easy
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#5997412 - 09/12/17 08:36 PM Re: Seasoned coyote men [Re: The Beav]
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Originally Posted By: The Beav
Dig a hole about 2 feet deep. Take 1 gallon paint can lids and attach a length of chain to the lid. Bury lid and your good to go.
A post hole digger makes short work of digging that hole.

I was thinking of burying an old disc blade with a length of chain welded to it..
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#5997423 - 09/12/17 08:42 PM Re: Seasoned coyote men [Re: Dave Plueger]
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I do not think I would trust my equipment/catch to a flimsy paint can lid as thin as they are nowadays. Course you could add a big fender washer on the bottom of the lid to attach to and spread the load.

An old disk blade and chain would be the ticket though!
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#5997558 - 09/12/17 10:32 PM Re: Seasoned coyote men [Re: Dave Plueger]
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It's sandy bury the whole can!
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#5997581 - 09/12/17 11:06 PM Re: Seasoned coyote men [Re: Dave Plueger]
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I can guarantee you that a large washer on the bottom side of the lid will hold just fine. Burying a disk blade would be a huge job. Or just bury a 6" square piece of plywood If you don't trust the paint can lid.
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#5997601 - 09/12/17 11:44 PM Re: Seasoned coyote men [Re: Dave Plueger]
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I would be leaning toward using a heavy limb drag and placing them ahead of season.I've used them a lot over the years and have great faith in them.It has to be sturdy enough that a coyote can't break it or chew through.The lid anchor sounds pretty good but I would worry about a coyote digging it up.They are smart and relentless.I've seen them dig quite a hole in places less soft.

A heavy enough limb will work anywhere and with a long chain that should be used,it doesn't have to crowd the set.That chain should be easy to hide in that soft ground.Plus,you don't have to bring the limb with you,pound anything or dig.

I do like the idea of permanent anchors when feasible.

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#5997647 - 09/13/17 04:42 AM Re: Seasoned coyote men [Re: Dave Plueger]
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The Beav knows what he's talking about, at least this time anyway.
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#5997662 - 09/13/17 05:19 AM Re: Seasoned coyote men [Re: Dave Plueger]
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I was going to suggest cinder blocks also. They are a pain to transport but once on location you can reuse them season after season just move them up the bank and find a spot to hide them until next season. On a long chain using block as a drag I haven't had a coyote or big coon hardly budge them, the corners of the block dig in and stay put.
Now if it is wet conditions then a hard freeze the blocks slide on wet mud pretty easily so burying the at the set is best approach. They won't pull a block out of the ground on a long chain too much distance between trap and buried block the mechanics of it won't let the block come up at all from buried location. I had several Badgers this way too and they won't even dig the block up either.
But again at end of season just get the block up out of ground and put it up on high ground nearby where it won't be buried in flood debris or anything like that during off-season. Long chain on drags like that.
I like the idea above using the hole in block as bedding spot with levers resting on sides of block hole. I may play with that myself this year that's a good idea.
I use this setup on sand bars along the creeks on our line. They get traveled by coyotes when Creek is frozen and have been very good locations for us. Those frozen creeks are like highways for predators here. The frozen mud of typical banks are hard to set well but sand is easier to work in, just needed a good anchor system in that soft stuff. I don't remember when we started hauling cinder blocks to use but I've done it so long I just count on it now each season. Some sand bars haven't moved much at all on one Creek and those blocks have been there gosh since 1980s or so. Still work great and haven't crumbled on me yet.
These were 16" two hole blocks I had from a demo foundation job.
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#5997675 - 09/13/17 05:52 AM Re: Seasoned coyote men [Re: Dave Plueger]
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Good ideas....while not sand I trap in a lot of black peat ground....longer 5 ft+ chain lengths and a strong reinforced trap work very well rigged to 24 inch or longer rebar.

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#5997712 - 09/13/17 06:56 AM Re: Seasoned coyote men [Re: Dave Plueger]
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Could you long chain em to small trees around there. I do that a lot with drags with the long chain if it look like it might drag to far. Work good for me.

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#5997719 - 09/13/17 07:01 AM Re: Seasoned coyote men [Re: Dave Plueger]
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This is what I use on sand bars. 4" auger flighting welded to 1/2 in rebar . They screw in and out of sandbars without digging a hole. Never lost one yet.

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#5997747 - 09/13/17 07:26 AM Re: Seasoned coyote men [Re: Dave Plueger]
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Long chain or cable with a drag and wrap the drag around a tree,etc.
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#5997754 - 09/13/17 07:35 AM Re: Seasoned coyote men [Re: Dave Plueger]
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#5997755 - 09/13/17 07:35 AM Re: Seasoned coyote men [Re: Dave Plueger]
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If weight is an issue nothing beats the 6" x 6" piece of 3/4" plywood. Otherwise disc blades, packer wheels etc.. work like a dream.

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#5997765 - 09/13/17 07:44 AM Re: Seasoned coyote men [Re: Dave Plueger]
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the drag works here, got to watch for the bottomless water sand here though. I don't go on sandy points anymore...

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#5997892 - 09/13/17 10:41 AM Re: Seasoned coyote men [Re: Dave Plueger]
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Dave, ive had similar problems on a couple of real sandy places. Three things have worked for me. Drags that were actually logs, burying a large rock with a point hammered to it, and the one I eventually went with when practical...I still used an earth anchor at the trap but ran a slide wire to some solid ground.
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#5997905 - 09/13/17 11:08 AM Re: Seasoned coyote men [Re: Dave Plueger]
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I use railroad plates for spots like this. I can sometimes stand on one and jump up and down and few times and they will sink into the bottom. It's tough to get them out. I cached them way up the bank from year to year. Long chain helps in case the coyote gets one loose. Hope for the best but prepare for the worst... You can make a mound set using a plate in the bottom of it pretty easy. I have even used junk found in the creeks around here like tires and rims...

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#5997927 - 09/13/17 11:43 AM Re: Seasoned coyote men [Re: Dave Plueger]
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Not sure how many of these locations you have set at once but the mobile home anchors will hold. If they are too long they can be easily shortened by cutting and welding an attachment to the top. Keep the top squared so a long wrench or piece of pipe can be used to screw the anchor into ground.
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#5997938 - 09/13/17 12:01 PM Re: Seasoned coyote men [Re: Dave Plueger]
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I have hundreds of old T fence posts available in this area when they replace an old fence. I'd use them, and if they're too long cut what you don't need off the top. It might be there forever. I'd put something on the few inches sticking out to make a scent post.
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#5997970 - 09/13/17 12:41 PM Re: Seasoned coyote men [Re: Dave Plueger]
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Not a seasoned coyote guy, but the only ones I ever target/catch are in the same situation as yours Dave. The clogs and junk make great anchors.



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#5998040 - 09/13/17 02:31 PM Re: Seasoned coyote men [Re: Dave Plueger]
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Sandbar coyote trapping......
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#5998066 - 09/13/17 03:08 PM Re: Seasoned coyote men [Re: Dave Plueger]
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Some of the best Fox trapping I ever had was trapping the sand bars on the WI river.
Tons of campers used those sand bars and the left overs from those camp sites drew fox and coon like a magnet.
That's where I came up with paint can lid Idea.
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#5998121 - 09/13/17 04:55 PM Re: Seasoned coyote men [Re: Dave Plueger]
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Thanks everyone for the great ideas! I'll be trying several of these methods this fall.

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#5998130 - 09/13/17 05:10 PM Re: Seasoned coyote men [Re: Dave Plueger]
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Long springs and sand bars! Doesn't get any better.

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#5998217 - 09/13/17 07:33 PM Re: Seasoned coyote men [Re: Dave Plueger]
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May have to put in some of my #3 double longs James.

Jumperzee, how many sets do you typically put in on an average sand bar? I normally put in 2. One near each end of the sand bar.

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#5998234 - 09/13/17 07:48 PM Re: Seasoned coyote men [Re: Dave Plueger]
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Originally Posted By: Dave Plueger
May have to put in some of my #3 double longs James.

Jumperzee, how many sets do you typically put in on an average sand bar? I normally put in 2. One near each end of the sand bar.



Dave, you know if its good for one trap, then its good for two, and if its good for two, then its good for three. Just like trapping coon Dave...LOL
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#5998559 - 09/14/17 05:46 AM Re: Seasoned coyote men [Re: ringtailtrapper]
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Very good post. Lots of good suggestions. Let us know what works out.
Loved the picture of the coyote on a wood drag and the one with it tied to old metal junk.
Might be a bad idea to hook to wood drags that are not super heavy. Otter tend to hit a lot of sand bars. I have taken otter in coyote sets close to the water. Could lead to a problem. Otter tend to be relentless and very powerful. Too light of a drag could be a real drag.
Not criticizing, just thinking out loud. An old coyote guy from Washington state, Kramer I think, showed using a 2x4 dead man set up for soft soil areas in his book.

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#5998660 - 09/14/17 09:01 AM Re: Seasoned coyote men [Re: Dave Plueger]
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Fellow above recommended railroad tie plates and I concur. Fairly easy to obtain, cheap or free, not real heavy etc. I weld a chain link dead center and fasten a cable to it. These make great anchors under bridges or culverts for mink and rats, not so great for coon(need more weight so go to cut off grader blades for them). A tie plate buried two feet deep in sugar sand will not pull easily.

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#6109419 - 01/01/18 05:59 PM Re: Seasoned coyote men [Re: Dave Plueger]
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#6109424 - 01/01/18 06:00 PM Re: Seasoned coyote men [Re: Dave Plueger]
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Used mainly wolf fang anchors and they worked great! I cabled off to branches when in doubt, but never had one pulled.

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#6109431 - 01/01/18 06:05 PM Re: Seasoned coyote men [Re: Dave Plueger]
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#6109600 - 01/01/18 07:34 PM Re: Seasoned coyote men [Re: Dave Plueger]
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Best thing I've found is to catch them on top the bank. Makes you sleep good too if you set/check very many grin. Tried cross staking with 24 inch rebar. That works MOST of the time. Tried drags also but once in a while they get through the brush and make it into the fields bordering every creek and river bottom around here. If the sand feels solid when I cross stake I do that. If something that won't move is in a likely spot I tie to it. If I can't do those things I hike up the bank.
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#6110012 - 01/02/18 07:36 AM Re: Seasoned coyote men [Re: Dave Plueger]
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I think Berkshire make a big head for cable stakes. There designed for sand. There like twice
the size of the standard cable stakes.
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#6110159 - 01/02/18 09:53 AM Re: Seasoned coyote men [Re: Dave Plueger]
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I also make the Super Fang.
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#6110654 - 01/02/18 05:15 PM Re: Seasoned coyote men [Re: Dave Plueger]
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Have you tried where they come in to sand bar, for a location

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#6110961 - 01/02/18 08:25 PM Re: Seasoned coyote men [Re: Dave Plueger]
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Yes I have, and they are effective, but I was primarily coon trapping and didn't want to walk too far from the boat.

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#6111209 - 01/03/18 04:33 AM Re: Seasoned coyote men [Re: TNcat]
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Dave, they will slide wire to a drowner. Might give you an extended check.
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#6111244 - 01/03/18 06:01 AM Re: Seasoned coyote men [Re: Dave Plueger]
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Dave I didn't read all the replies so this suggestion was probably already made;

I trap in some sand dunes and have made some 30 inch long anchors and a four foot driver. Works great.

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#6111288 - 01/03/18 07:20 AM Re: Seasoned coyote men [Re: Dave Plueger]
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sting rays have a long driver and works good in sand and mud.
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#6111350 - 01/03/18 08:10 AM Re: Seasoned coyote men [Re: Dave Plueger]
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I see, I know a guy trapping from a boat in SD, he's catching a good amount.
I gave away the last three coon, don't feel like skinning them for 3$


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#6111379 - 01/03/18 08:42 AM Re: Seasoned coyote men [Re: Tactical.20]
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Originally Posted By: Tactical.20
I see, I know a guy trapping from a boat in SD, he's catching a good amount.
I gave away the last three coon, don't feel like skinning them for 3$
I dont really mind skinning them. its the fleshing and boarding for me
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#6111668 - 01/03/18 01:59 PM Re: Seasoned coyote men [Re: k9krusader]
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I don't know if it was brought up already, but I have a place like yours. I use a 4' steel T post, can get them pretty cheap. They work well for me. Drill a hole in the top and run you a cable, I put a swivel in mine. Have not had any problems with it and you don't need an extra long driver or anything like that.
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#6111816 - 01/03/18 04:23 PM Re: Seasoned coyote men [Re: matt]
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Dave, here is what I've done when I go to Kansas and run into sugar sand. I've run fender washer anchors for many many years. If I get to a spot where I even question the hold, I'll crack open the jhook at the end of my trap chain, where it attaches to the cable on my fender washer and attach a second fender washer anchor and drive this second in at a 45-60 degree angle to the original.........never ever had an issue.

I'm not a big advocate of opening and closing jhooks, but in these rare cases it's worked just fine for me.

I'd suggest running 2 24" fender washers, size 2" and I'd think you'd be good. Just set up the approximate # of traps you normally set on sandbars your ready to roll.

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