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#6023341 - 10/11/17 05:39 PM Girls in the Boy Scouts
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I got in on the tail end of the new talking about Girls are going to be part of the Boy Scouts of America but did not hear the details. Anyone catch this on T.V.?
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#6023348 - 10/11/17 05:42 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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That would not be a surprise to me. Try to get boys in the girl scouts, you would be called a freek!
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#6023349 - 10/11/17 05:43 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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Yes, it's to increase the teenage pregnancy rate.
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#6023353 - 10/11/17 05:46 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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I and my son are Eagle Scouts. I saw this too and was not happy. Who they have accepted and now this has not made me happy in the least. I will make phone calls tomorrow but unfortunately they are not going to reverse this. A new Scout system needs to come up and all Troops transfer to it.

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#6023378 - 10/11/17 06:40 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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I saw it on the news too. I don't see how they can be called "The Boy Scouts of America" anymore.

Maybe they should be renamed as "the transgender, homosexual, don't know what I am, girl and those subhuman, male, oppressor scouts".

Keith

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#6023383 - 10/11/17 06:49 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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The boy scouts crossed the line with trannys and gay leaders. To recover from the loss in recruitment they have come up with the grand plan of allowing girls in. Libtard lunacy at its finest


Edited by AntiGov (10/11/17 08:23 PM)
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#6023384 - 10/11/17 06:50 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
charles Offline
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Every scout camp must now add a ladies room for the females. Is physical fitness still a required merit badge. Will they have two standards of fitness?

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#6023386 - 10/11/17 06:51 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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Stupidity in the highest! They wonder why membership has declined.

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#6023388 - 10/11/17 06:51 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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Surely only one bathroom will be required!
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#6023392 - 10/11/17 07:00 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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Me and my multiple companies quit donating money to Boy Scouts years ago for OBVIOUS reasons. Was hard as I am rural compared to most Boy Scout troops. The troops I helped (a lot) understood but could nothing about policy. Sick about it but heck no are my dollars going to this nonsense!!!!!!!!!! Wake up people!


Edited by trappingthomas (10/11/17 07:05 PM)

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#6023401 - 10/11/17 07:07 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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The Boy Scouts will probably go the way of the Ringling Brothers and Barnum & Bailey Circus.

The circus changed to make liberals happy and lost their customer base and died. The Boy Scouts have changed to make liberals happy and have lost their membership base and are dieing.

Keith

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#6023429 - 10/11/17 07:23 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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#6023436 - 10/11/17 07:27 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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#6023443 - 10/11/17 07:29 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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Expect huge lawsuits in the future from girls and their parents. Such a shame, another wholesome group ruined by the left.
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#6023458 - 10/11/17 07:39 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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Well, then can a boy join the girl scouts?
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#6023463 - 10/11/17 07:41 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: MnMan]
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Originally Posted By: MnMan
Well, then can a boy join the girl scouts?


Can a transgender girl join the Girl Scouts?
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#6023468 - 10/11/17 07:44 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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We have a strong program in our area and would like to see them as a region secede. This will only get worse. First it is this(packs and troops are separate), then combined Pinewood Derbies, then day camps, then pack/troop combining. Bad thing is I have a 6 year old I was/am looking forward to Cub/Boy Scouts now what is in the future?

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#6023469 - 10/11/17 07:44 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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I can't help thinking back when I was a young lad in scouting. All we seemed to talk about was girls, and there was none anywhere nearby.
Maybe having girls in the boy scouts will encourage better relations with the opposite sex at an earlier age, and help avoid any interactions with the homosexual leaders.

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#6023498 - 10/11/17 08:04 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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Do I see a new merit badge in the future? whistle
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#6023500 - 10/11/17 08:05 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: KeithC]
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Originally Posted By: KeithC
The Boy Scouts will probably go the way of the Ringling Brothers and Barnum & Bailey Circus.

The circus changed to make liberals happy and lost their customer base and died. The Boy Scouts have changed to make liberals happy and have lost their membership base and are dieing.

Keith


Very good comparison. Most if not all my liberal friends hold the boy scouts in contempt. And now this thread shows conservatives no longer want anything to do with them either.

Didn't Lincoln say something about trying to please everyone?

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#6023597 - 10/11/17 09:26 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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Earned my Eagle, but won't send my boys when this is the new way.

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#6023676 - 10/11/17 10:40 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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BSA has been co-ed in the Explorer, Venturing, and Sea Scout programs for some time now. In our area, we have many young women leading Venturing crews. Cub Scouts program includes the family and many female siblings have joined their brothers on adventures and do all the same activities just not an official member. In reality, the policy change may not result in as great a change as some are expecting.

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#6023683 - 10/11/17 10:46 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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I figured this would happen some day boy scouts is much better run and organized than GS and they already had exporers and venture crew for girls 14 and up it only makes sense to get them involved earlier rather than wait till they are 14

GS was a major disapointment had 2 girls in it , what a mess

I am an eagle scout and my son was in scouts. I was a leader at the pack and troop level for several years.

I think it is a good move
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#6023693 - 10/11/17 11:12 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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So...............what is going to replace the name " Boy Scouts " ........aka .."Your MaMas Scouts " ?
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#6023694 - 10/11/17 11:14 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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Lol.....it's truly aznine isn't it ?
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#6023707 - 10/12/17 12:03 AM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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They have already moved some to just brand themselves as BSA and not worry about that standing for Boy Scout of America
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#6023714 - 10/12/17 12:36 AM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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Will the Boy Scouts be selling thin mints and samoas now???
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#6023725 - 10/12/17 04:21 AM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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boy scouts that I was part of hasn't existed for a long time now
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#6023740 - 10/12/17 04:55 AM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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Libtards ruin EVERYTHING they come in contact with. It's a shame that the rest of the country is so bogged down with political correctness that no one sees the mental disorder that is libtardism.
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#6023765 - 10/12/17 05:46 AM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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Another step forward in the feminization of American men.
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#6023821 - 10/12/17 07:07 AM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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It was too simple to just add merit badges to cover the things each wanted to learn, plus it didn't require any lawyers.
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#6023832 - 10/12/17 07:19 AM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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Looks like I won't be signing my boy up for the scouts now, I was looking forward to it too. I will never understand why women/girls feel they have to try and take over everything that men/boys do for themselves. If they want to die in combat I don't have much of an issue there as long as they don't curl into a ball and get the other men killed. But in this new age of "The New World Order" men aren't allowed to have an all men's group/club because that is sexist but the women can have as many all women groups/clubs as they want and they can't be called sexist. The world is topsy-turvy and starting to suck down deeper into the abyss!
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#6023872 - 10/12/17 08:00 AM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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Why not just dissolve the BSA while they still have some honor and start a new group with our ladies. I hope they paid attention in there sex education classes!! and sexual harassment class, if they ever took one. JMO
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#6023900 - 10/12/17 08:31 AM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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as the father to two girls I like the benifit if could have for my daughters ,and don't feel it would hurt my son , you have to realize just how many families that were into scouting were bringing thier daughters to virtually every scouting event , they would participate and say man I wish I didn't have to wait till I was 14 to be in a venture crew or explorer post , I see where this could make scouting stronger by including the hole family from the get go , we already have a number of female leaders , far to often the men just were not stepping up.
there has been female leaders in uniform for many decades now

other benefits are that Girls given the same exposure to the outdoors , possibly fire arms through scouting and strong positive leadership skills will advance them as citizens ,as people and as voters.

might also be a great way to meet your future wife and share common training ,experience , love for the outdoors and be good friends before you are romantic.

would it have been really cool if the girl scouts were all that, a well lead strong leadership organization that were giving the girls everything the boys were getting , but the sad truth was that they were not they were loosing girls very early on with their sad program and poor leadership.

you take your daughters hunting , and trapping why wouldn't you want to take them scouting.
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#6023910 - 10/12/17 08:41 AM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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They'll just have to rename the organization, it needs to be something really catchy though!! How about.... KIDS WHO'S PARENTS CAN'T DECIDE WHETHER THEIR CHILD HAS A PENIS OR VAGINA OF AMERICA!!!!

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#6023923 - 10/12/17 08:56 AM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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Heard the girl scouts might sue them. Lol. True story.
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#6023924 - 10/12/17 08:56 AM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE]
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Originally Posted By: GREENCOUNTYPETE
as the father to two girls I like the benifit if could have for my daughters ,and don't feel it would hurt my son , you have to realize just how many families that were into scouting were bringing thier daughters to virtually every scouting event , they would participate and say man I wish I didn't have to wait till I was 14 to be in a venture crew or explorer post , I see where this could make scouting stronger by including the hole family from the get go , we already have a number of female leaders , far to often the men just were not stepping up.
there has been female leaders in uniform for many decades now

other benefits are that Girls given the same exposure to the outdoors , possibly fire arms through scouting and strong positive leadership skills will advance them as citizens ,as people and as voters.

might also be a great way to meet your future wife and share common training ,experience , love for the outdoors and be good friends before you are romantic.

would it have been really cool if the girl scouts were all that, a well lead strong leadership organization that were giving the girls everything the boys were getting , but the sad truth was that they were not they were loosing girls very early on with their sad program and poor leadership.

you take your daughters hunting , and trapping why wouldn't you want to take them scouting.


I get what you are saying but I think having to wait for things teaches people some useful social skills, especially at early ages. Growing up having a world catering to you is not a good thing.


Edited by HobbieTrapper (10/12/17 08:57 AM)
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#6023929 - 10/12/17 08:59 AM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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Pete makes some good points. But why not just fix the Girl scout organization.
This will be the beginning of the end for scouting.


Edited by The Beav (10/12/17 08:59 AM)
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#6023960 - 10/12/17 09:27 AM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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Can the boys join girl scouts?

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#6023967 - 10/12/17 09:32 AM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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I think combining the administration of the BSA and GSA into one is a good thing. It would give scouting more power over all.

If they are talking about mixed sex scouting troops, that's not such a good thing. I have never been in the Girl Scouts and never even thought about it because my parents teach me what I need to know. I could never support scouting if they combine the sexes in individual troops. That will never work.


Edited by Alexia (10/12/17 09:42 AM)
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#6023968 - 10/12/17 09:32 AM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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#6023987 - 10/12/17 09:57 AM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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Gotta say, this is another one of those who cares moments. Geeesh fellas, that horse is getting mighty high.
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#6023990 - 10/12/17 10:00 AM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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#6024000 - 10/12/17 10:06 AM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: trappingthomas]
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Originally Posted By: trappingthomas
Me and my multiple companies quit donating money to Boy Scouts years ago for OBVIOUS reasons. Was hard as I am rural compared to most Boy Scout troops. The troops I helped (a lot) understood but could nothing about policy. Sick about it but heck no are my dollars going to this nonsense!!!!!!!!!! Wake up people!


Same here. A good-sized club I belong to decided to stop donating to them at one of our board meetings for the same obvious reasons. The vote was unanimous. BSA was a proud, wholesome organization. Not any more.
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#6024014 - 10/12/17 10:25 AM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: DaYooper14]
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Originally Posted By: DaYooper14
Gotta say, this is another one of those who cares moments. Geeesh fellas, that horse is getting mighty high.


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#6024168 - 10/12/17 12:55 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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mad This pisses me off in the extreme. The BSA is no longer what it once was. The oath starts " On my Honor..." What honor? There is no honor in changing your mind at every whim. If your standards are constantly changing there is now being trustworthy. No one can trust you to keep your word.

I am so close to my eagle, but I don't even know if I want it anymore! There has become a loss of respect for the BSA.
I'm not saying the eagle is worthless anymore, but the work and effort, and time that goes into it is almost not worth it anymore.

Are they stupid? Your organization is called the Boy Scouts of America! No girl is a boy that I'm aware of. You need to have an Y chromosome to be a boy.

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#6024170 - 10/12/17 12:58 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: The Beav]
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Originally Posted By: The Beav
Pete makes some good points. But why not just fix the Girl scout organization.
This will be the beginning of the end for scouting.


when this is the face of girl scouting you really think you can fix that.

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#6024175 - 10/12/17 01:07 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Plum Billy]
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Originally Posted By: Plum Billy
mad This pisses me off in the extreme. The BSA is no longer what it once was. The oath starts " On my Honor..." What honor? There is no honor in changing your mind at every whim. If your standards are constantly changing there is now being trustworthy. No one can trust you to keep your word.

I am so close to my eagle, but I don't even know if I want it anymore! There has become a loss of respect for the BSA.
I'm not saying the eagle is worthless anymore, but the work and effort, and time that goes into it is almost not worth it anymore.

Are they stupid? Your organization is called the Boy Scouts of America! No girl is a boy that I'm aware of. You need to have an Y chromosome to be a boy.

Simple truths can destroy any liberal argument


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Don't let them win by acting like you were unprepared. Get your Eagle. They can never take it away from you no matter what happens after.
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#6024183 - 10/12/17 01:18 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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I get what you are saying GREENCOUNTYPETE, my thoughts are more along the lines of why are they forcing a change now? Why did they create a Boys/Mens association/group then only to have to invite girls years later?

I agree with you on the family scouting idea, that is what they SHOULD have created in the first place but didn't. I am not afraid of change, the issue is forcing people to change now without letting the entire body of the membership make the call instead of a council of whatever size making it for their members just like they did with the gay choice. In the future how many kids will have been abused before it comes to lite just like the Catholic priests we still hear about? (nothing against Catholics or priests, just a reference for the scope of things as the BSA is a huge organization.) And how many girls will be abused by the boys and or leaders because of this choice?

I have a baby girl now, she is only 6 months old, but I would never have allowed her to join the Girl Scouts because they don't teach enough stuff to the girls. The Boy Scouts actually got it right with the whole of their program (I am sure there are/were flaws) and I can only imagine how this country would be better if they had made it the Family Scouts or whatever name they could have used. People got away from nature and togetherness over the years and it is having a terrible effect on our youth and the family unit as a whole.
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#6024189 - 10/12/17 01:31 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: DaYooper14]
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Originally Posted By: DaYooper14
Gotta say, this is another one of those who cares moments. Geeesh fellas, that horse is getting mighty high.


According to the polls I've seen it's not a who cares moment.
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#6024210 - 10/12/17 02:31 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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you see I don't see this one as a we gotta let girls in , I see this as a strategic planning ahead that I was thinking 7 years ago , you know I wish my girls had the same scouting opportunity my son did , even thought well maybe they will join ventures when they get to 14. well I can tell you that they might well have joined scouting 7 years ago when they were under 10 but that they are not interested now.

in 1911 no one was ready for it to be Family scouts , they just weren't.
in 2011 maybe

Explorer / venture started allowing girls 14 to 18 in 1969

I admit I have been out of scouting a year or two now , but in the past BSA always bowed to the charter organization , if the charter organization wants to form a girls troop and a boys troop it will be very much up to them. this is how venture has worked since 1969 the charter decides to have a just boys and just girls or co-ed

we already had girls at a significant number of events , camping rules and arrangements for girls in camp is decades old policy now , I see this more as a step to recognizing girls and their achievement and giving them a path to eagle and not just tag along till they could join venture scouting or an explorer post clearly BSA saw a need to open programs for girls nearly 50 years ago.

DID you know , that any eagle scout starts a pay grade higher in the military, we have women in our military and now they will be able to start a pay grade higher should they earn their eagle.

the goal is making better citizens , more prepared people , and leaders , if we make exceptional young men but leave behind all the young women where will these exceptional young men find exceptional well trained citizens and leaders to be their partners in raising more exceptional young men and women?

you reap what you sew , start the seeds to a higher expectation for both young men and women and get a better more prepared team of citizens.
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#6024218 - 10/12/17 02:44 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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#6024220 - 10/12/17 02:47 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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I don't want my woman exceptional in the same manner I'm exceptional. lol


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#6024222 - 10/12/17 02:50 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Birch Tree]
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I get what you are saying GREENCOUNTYPETE, my thoughts are more along the lines of why are they forcing a change now? Why did they create a Boys/Mens association/group then only to have to invite girls years later?

I agree with you on the family scouting idea, that is what they SHOULD have created in the first place but didn't. I am not afraid of change, the issue is forcing people to change now without letting the entire body of the membership make the call instead of a council of whatever size making it for their members just like they did with the gay choice. In the future how many kids will have been abused before it comes to lite just like the Catholic priests we still hear about? (nothing against Catholics or priests, just a reference for the scope of things as the BSA is a huge organization.) And how many girls will be abused by the boys and or leaders because of this choice?

I have a baby girl now, she is only 6 months old, but I would never have allowed her to join the Girl Scouts because they don't teach enough stuff to the girls. The Boy Scouts actually got it right with the whole of their program (I am sure there are/were flaws) and I can only imagine how this country would be better if they had made it the Family Scouts or whatever name they could have used. People got away from nature and togetherness over the years and it is having a terrible effect on our youth and the family unit as a whole.


priests got away with rape for decades probably centuries because they were held in such high esteem. they could do no wrong in the eyes of the people they lead. and so much was kept in a veil of secrecy.

scouting already has male and female leaders and protocols for girls in camp as well as safeguards that are in place to protect both leaders and youth. A scout leader should never have one on one interaction with a scout of any gender period. this is the very first thing in new leader training and youth protection is the very first part of the first rank in scouting.
why now , venture has been co-ed for 48 years I think the why now is that scout parents who see the opportunity for their sons and have tried GS say I want that opportunity for my daughters also. just like I was thinking 7 years ago.

my family took the direction of 4-H. my wife and I now run the shooting sports , wildlife and natural sciences program for our county 4-H with help form many other volunteer leaders. we are all in the same businesses making better citizens , better leaders and better prepared young men and women.
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#6024250 - 10/12/17 03:28 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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It is a numbers game. Period. When you exclude half the population eligible to be a part of your organization you have to rethink this when your enrollment falls over many years as it has. It is a situation of evolve or die.


If the two organizations have developed so independently, how did we get to a place where Boy Scouts feel pressured to allow girls in?

Proctor: There has been an ongoing debate about whether this should happen or not. Internationally, there are many countries that have co-educational scout movements. In Europe, in places like Scandinavia, they’ve merged Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts into one organization. But in those cases, the two organizations worked together and they merged to create a co-educational movement. In the U.S. case, it looks like a turf war because the Girl Scouts are adamantly not participating. This is about the Boy Scouts allowing girls in. I think the Boy Scouts are under pressure because they’re losing members. They’re under pressure to do something new and look for new members in a broader way.


It’s interesting that they’ve been emphasizing the Cub Scouts in their media because most people have fewer objections to co-education when kids are young than they do when they’re 15 or 16. And Boy Scouts have long-encouraged female leaders for the younger kids and have been less interested in having female leaders for teenage boys.
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#6024251 - 10/12/17 03:29 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: HobbieTrapper]
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Are you afraid she might become more exceptional than you? grin

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I don't want my woman exceptional in the same manner I'm exceptional. lol
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#6024252 - 10/12/17 03:31 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: HobbieTrapper]
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I don't want my woman exceptional in the same manner I'm exceptional. lol

Best post ever lol.
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#6024264 - 10/12/17 03:52 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Trap_Hunt_Fish]
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Well, then can a boy join the girl scouts?


Can a transgender girl join the Girl Scouts?


160user did!!
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#6024281 - 10/12/17 04:23 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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#6024321 - 10/12/17 05:13 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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More boys join gang than boy scouts. That is a fact!
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#6024332 - 10/12/17 05:34 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: AntiGov]
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The boy scouts crossed the line with trannys and gay leaders. To recover from the loss in recruitment they have come up with the grand plan of allowing girls in. Libtard lunacy at its finest
You nailed it ! I guess 20 year old, ex con, pedifiles can join girl scouts, dont want no age or gender discrimination.

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#6024335 - 10/12/17 05:41 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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More boys join gang than boy scouts. That is a fact!


That is not a fact and is in fact wrong.

There are 2,400,000 boys in Boy Scouts of America.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boy_Scouts_of_America

There are 360,000 boys in gangs in America

https://sites.google.com/site/gangviolence97352/gang-statistics

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#6024349 - 10/12/17 06:08 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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#6024351 - 10/12/17 06:11 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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To be called. Jane Scouts of America. Get it! Sarge
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#6024357 - 10/12/17 06:22 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: DaYooper14]
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Gotta say, this is another one of those who cares moments. Geeesh fellas, that horse is getting mighty high.


People with real values care, that's who.........are you one of those recently approved scout leaders ?
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#6024434 - 10/12/17 08:04 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: RiversNorth13]
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RN, can you make an arrow towards the crotch and spell" weingina"
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#6024436 - 10/12/17 08:05 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE]
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my family took the direction of 4-H. my wife and I now run the shooting sports , wildlife and natural sciences program for our county 4-H with help form many other volunteer leaders. we are all in the same businesses making better citizens , better leaders and better prepared young men and women.

I don't know why I didn't see this aspect before reading this post!
I was a Shooting Instructor for our 4-H Rifle team and we had nearly as many girls as boys on the team.
I was at one time an Assistant Den Leader for Boy Scouts (all male).
I can tell you this. The boys on the 4-H shooting team were respectful and supportive of their female team mates (even when the girls out-shot them in competition) and visa versa.
The Boy Scouts, on the other hand did not have the opportunity to observe how girls could excel at anything other than playing with dolls and such.
To all of you haters of this change, list for me just one of the female trappers who visit this site who you would not want to be associated with. I don't see how scouting is any different.
I can understand the outrage over the Boy Scouts allowing the admission of individuals with abnormal and disruptive sexual identities, but explain to me how allowing girls will affect scouting negatively?


Edited by 52Carl (10/12/17 08:08 PM)

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#6024456 - 10/12/17 08:26 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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Cuz it the " freeking BOY scouts" !!!
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#6024461 - 10/12/17 08:28 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: 52Carl]
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I don't know why I didn't see this aspect before reading this post!
I was a Shooting Instructor for our 4-H Rifle team and we had nearly as many girls as boys on the team.
I was at one time an Assistant Den Leader for Boy Scouts (all male).
I can tell you this. The boys on the 4-H shooting team were respectful and supportive of their female team mates (even when the girls out-shot them in competition) and visa versa.
The Boy Scouts, on the other hand did not have the opportunity to observe how girls could excel at anything other than playing with dolls and such.
To all of you haters of this change, list for me just one of the female trappers who visit this site who you would not want to be associated with. I don't see how scouting is any different.
I can understand the outrage over the Boy Scouts allowing the admission of individuals with abnormal and disruptive sexual identities, but explain to me how allowing girls will affect scouting negatively?
Personally, I think it's good for boys and girls to have there own organizations. I mean it's "Boy Scouts" and "Girl Scouts" for a reason. It's tradition and has worked since 1922. Why try and fix something that wasn't broken just because a few libtards have a squeaky wheel? This way boys compete and bond with each other. Same with the girls. I see no problem with keeping things as they were. Will allowing girls in ruin the Boy Scouts? I really don't know but it wasn't ruined the way it used to be. Until they started letting in the homo's and the 'Trans gender" idiots. Remember, this is a libtard move. When have they ever did anything but ruin something? Since it's their crybaby idea, it seems to be that it should be approached with apprehension.
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#6024462 - 10/12/17 08:29 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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The Boy Scouts fell victim to the poison we know as liberalism . They will continue to degenerate. Eventually they will be completely transformed into a club for future libtards where there is no right or wrong and no achievement or accountability is necessary . Freaks and fruit bags can join and or lead. No thanx


Edited by AntiGov (10/12/17 08:31 PM)
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#6024464 - 10/12/17 08:33 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: 52Carl]
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I am a Scoutmaster, was a Cub Scout leader and my son is an Eagle Scout. Girls will be a major distraction for young men in Boy Scouts. Hiking in camping, anyone with a brain can see young boys and girls together are a major problem and will take the boys away from Scouting. The girls mothers will also be a major pain in the neck, ask any honest school teacher about parents.
Robert Gates open the door to destroying this wonderful organization. What a sad deal, getting treed by these rat liberals, taking one good thing away at a time.
Scouts should do the right thing and shut it down, instead of dying of small cuts a little at a time. It's hard to find parents to step up and spend time camping and working with young men in scouting or donating money. I am done with both.



my family took the direction of 4-H. my wife and I now run the shooting sports , wildlife and natural sciences program for our county 4-H with help form many other volunteer leaders. we are all in the same businesses making better citizens , better leaders and better prepared young men and women. [/quote]
I don't know why I didn't see this aspect before reading this post!
I was a Shooting Instructor for our 4-H Rifle team and we had nearly as many girls as boys on the team.
I was at one time an Assistant Den Leader for Boy Scouts (all male).
I can tell you this. The boys on the 4-H shooting team were respectful and supportive of their female team ma




tes (even when the girls out-shot them in competition) and visa versa.
The Boy Scouts, on the other hand did not have the opportunity to observe how girls could excel at anything other than playing with dolls and such.
To all of you haters of this change, list for me just one of the female trappers who visit this site who you would not want to be associated with. I don't see how scouting is any different.
I can understand the outrage over the Boy Scouts allowing the admission of individuals with abnormal and disruptive sexual identities, but explain to me how allowing girls will affect scouting negatively? [/quote]

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#6024473 - 10/12/17 08:46 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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When I was a young boy I tried to join the girl scouts.. they kicked me out for eating a brownie :-)


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#6024475 - 10/12/17 08:50 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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the Boy Scouts are under pressure because they’re losing members. They’re under pressure to do something new and look for new members in a broader way.

Hmmmm... wonder why they're losing members?

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#6024482 - 10/12/17 08:57 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Mike in A-town]
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the Boy Scouts are under pressure because they’re losing members. They’re under pressure to do something new and look for new members in a broader way.

Hmmmm... wonder why they're losing members?

Mike
If I had a son, I wouldn't let him join. In my opinion, Boy Scouts is a place where a boy starts to learn the basics of being a man. How to accomplish tasks and goals, how to plan and be self reliant. They develop relationships and camaraderie some of which can last the rest of there lives. They are learning to be men. They don't need homos and trans flakes. They ruined Boy Scouts when they opened that Pandora's box. Now they are letting in girls. Seems to me that it will be the final nail.


Edited by Finster (10/12/17 08:58 PM)
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#6024494 - 10/12/17 09:10 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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Nothin lasts forever. Roman Empire made it around 500 years. USA bout halfway there. Boy Scouts, NFL, NRA, NatGeo, McDonald's, all will have an expiration date. Sleep tight.
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#6024498 - 10/12/17 09:13 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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Why didn't the Libtardnation start up their own Org? They could have called it the "Them Scouts". IMO why is they wouldn't have enough to join for one and for two, it's a mission for all inclusiveness. Just another sick twisted part of their playbook.
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#6024503 - 10/12/17 09:18 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: tomahawker]
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Nothin lasts forever. Roman Empire made it around 500 years. USA bout halfway there. Boy Scouts, NFL, NRA, NatGeo, McDonald's, all will have an expiration date. Sleep tight.
McDonalds may go away, but the leftovers will last forever! grin I saw it in a video. wink


Edited by Finster (10/12/17 09:18 PM)
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#6024515 - 10/12/17 09:38 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: KeithC]
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More boys join gang than boy scouts. That is a fact!


That is not a fact and is in fact wrong.

There are 2,400,000 boys in Boy Scouts of America.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boy_Scouts_of_America

There are 360,000 boys in gangs in America

https://sites.google.com/site/gangviolence97352/gang-statistics

Keith


Then the speaker at the last eagle scout gathering was not right. He was speaking about the lack of new BS members.
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#6024520 - 10/12/17 09:47 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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Keith: My wife read my post and she corrected me about the numbers. The speaker said boys are joining gang FASTER than boy are joining the BS. I do not know how they can put any number of people are in gangs. There is no registry for gang members, only the ones that have broken the law and have records. Unlike the BS that keep track of it members and there numbers. JMO
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#6024803 - 10/13/17 10:26 AM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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I am really disappointed to see many of the negative comments about this move by the BSA. I would bet that a majority of the people on here believe whole heartedly in the impact that the Boy Scouts had on them growing up. I for one, know that I would not be near the man I am today without the fabulous leaders and role models I had in the program. I was blessed with having two girls, both of them were girl scouts and didn't care for the program and the direction it was heading, but would have loved the opportunity to be a boy scout. I believe that they would have greatly benefited from the program and the opportunities that is would have given them.

Now for a little background, the United States and Japan were the only two countries in the world that offered separate programs for boys and girls. The entire rest of the world the scouting program is co-ed.

Also, you should read all of the details of the announced program. Dens and patrols will remain single gender programs. Chartered partners will have the option of having separate boy and girls packs or troops if that is their choice. The program will not change, the requirements for rank advancement and merit badges or activities badges will remain the same.

I for one am excited about this new adventure that awaits our next generation of scouts and look forward to more youth (boys and girls) being influenced by the teachings of the Scout Oath and Law, as well as the leadership opportunities that will have a significant impact on their lives and our countries future.


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#6024808 - 10/13/17 10:41 AM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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#6024817 - 10/13/17 10:57 AM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: 52Carl]
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I can understand the outrage over the Boy Scouts allowing the admission of individuals with abnormal and disruptive sexual identities, but explain to me how allowing girls will affect scouting negatively?


For me it isn't the fact that they are allowing girls in the program, please understand I have the highest respect for women. For me it is the fact that the BSA changes their mind wherever the wind blows. They have no consistent standard, which in turn leads to a loss of respect for the organization and its members.

I agree with Finster in that boy scouts is about learning to become a man, and girls should be learning to become women, in their own program. If we need a program for both sexes then we can make one, but we shouldn't change the ones that are sex specific.
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#6024819 - 10/13/17 11:00 AM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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Hope BSA is ready for a bunch of law suits. Boys and Girls together will end in some bad results for leaders and Charter Organizations. How many sexual harassment cases can you see in the future?

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#6024835 - 10/13/17 11:24 AM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Providence Pete]
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Hope BSA is ready for a bunch of law suits. Boys and Girls together will end in some bad results for leaders and Charter Organizations. How many sexual harassment cases can you see in the future?


48 years of experience having boys and girls 14-18 together in explorers and venture , says they got this figured out , 7-13 isn't any harder.

4-H has boys and girls together , as does Awanas , school and a number of other youth groups.

thinking boys can't behave themselves is just just giving them permission to be poorly behaved.

what is this India where they blame the girl for getting raped because she didn't have a proper adult male family member escorting her on the bus?


Edited by GREENCOUNTYPETE (10/13/17 11:25 AM)
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#6024839 - 10/13/17 11:29 AM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Plum Billy]
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I can understand the outrage over the Boy Scouts allowing the admission of individuals with abnormal and disruptive sexual identities, but explain to me how allowing girls will affect scouting negatively?


For me it isn't the fact that they are allowing girls in the program, please understand I have the highest respect for women. For me it is the fact that the BSA changes their mind wherever the wind blows. They have no consistent standard, which in turn leads to a loss of respect for the organization and its members.

I agree with Finster in that boy scouts is about learning to become a man, and girls should be learning to become women, in their own program. If we need a program for both sexes then we can make one, but we shouldn't change the ones that are sex specific.


there could be two separate programs , but there isn't so unless your volunteering to lead one , who is going to do it ?

what may appear as inconsistency is the consistency of catering to the charter organizations some charter organizations are very conservative churches like the Catholics and LDS , while others are ELCA Lutheran , Unitarian, Methodist , Presbyterian , schools , VFW , American legion , Lions , Kiwanis , and just about any other kind of adult civic or religious organization you can think of they have Gays in their ranks , they perform Gay marriages so BSA said ok gay boys can be in BSA this is why BSA always leaves it up to the charter organization what they provide and who they allow. the changes reflect what the charter organizations want.

acceptance of people of different gender identities is changing very rapidly BSA is changing more rapidly than before because of the requests of it's charter organizations without trying to loose other religious based charter organizations.


just as in BSA Venture and BSA Explorer the charter organization can decide to have a boys and a girls program or a co-ed program.


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#6024846 - 10/13/17 11:33 AM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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Why not bring the GS up to the higher standers? Why not model the GS after the BS? JMO
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#6024867 - 10/13/17 11:54 AM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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Originally Posted By: Getting There
Why not bring the GS up to the higher standers? Why not model the GS after the BS? JMO


go find about 5000 people who agree with you and go start a 1000 GS troops that works at the same standards as BSA

it is an organization , separate from BSA whom only GS have control over , if they don't see an issue they won't change the only way you could change it is to do it from the inside , I am not saying there are not some great GS troops with very active leaders I am saying the professional as in paid employees of GS like it the way it is and you are not going to change that without a lot of like minded people on your side putting in serious hours making the program better.


the problem seems to stem from way to many people thinking that Volunteers are paid employees and that a 25 dollar a year registration and some cookie or popcorn sales fund everything , both organizations are very much built on the backs of the volunteer base , however GS troops have no charter organizations like BSA.

so BSA is offering to have girls to offer them the same opportunity and if the charter organization decided to make it an all girl troop separate from the boys but up to the same standards then you have your solution.



Edited by GREENCOUNTYPETE (10/13/17 12:01 PM)
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#6024902 - 10/13/17 12:34 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE]
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Originally Posted By: GREENCOUNTYPETE
there could be two separate programs , but there isn't so unless your volunteering to lead one , who is going to do it ?

The same people who are going to volunteer to lead the girls in their activities in BSA.
Originally Posted By: GREENCOUNTYPETE
the changes reflect what the charter organizations want.

Yes, but there is something to be said for having a standard that you keep, like Boy Scouts of America maintaining a Boy program. When you call it the Boy Scouts of America it is expected that it will be about the boys, not the girls. It is like having a penis and thinking you are a woman, you aren't who you say you are so can I really trust you? You have to draw the line somewhere on what is moral and what isn't, or we are no better than the very animals we trap.


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#6024903 - 10/13/17 12:36 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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Sometimes I think they have better morals!
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#6024961 - 10/13/17 01:27 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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People are free to start their own scout like organizations and are mostly free to run them how they want.

I believe it is wrong to use lawyers, liberal politicians and the liberal news media to attack an existing organization to corrupt it towards your own ends.

The attack on the Boy Scouts of America is just a part of the larger attack on men and conservative values by the left.

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#6024968 - 10/13/17 01:38 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: KeithC]
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Originally Posted By: KeithC
People are free to start their own scout like organizations and are mostly free to run them how they want.

I believe it is wrong to use lawyers, liberal politicians and the liberal news media to attack an existing organization to corrupt it towards your own ends.

The attack on the Boy Scouts of America is just a part of the larger attack on men and conservative values by the left.

Keith

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#6024988 - 10/13/17 02:07 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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America is the only country that has boy and Girl Scouts. Every other country it's called scouts ! I don't see why people think it's political. Some parents don't want to drive to 2 different things. What's the difference in a girl wanting to trap instead of dancing and a girl wanting to do Boy Scout things instead of selling cookies. I think some dads are just scared to have a girl show up there boy

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#6025023 - 10/13/17 03:07 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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I was just talking with one of my old scout masters , he is still involved in scouts now with his grand kids , I can now tell you that some of this is coming from scoutmasters who have been saying for 10 or more years that BSA really needed to have girls in the program.

he gave an example of one of the families that was in scouts then I was in scouts as a youth and an assist scoutmaster their kids were about 5-6 years younger than I was , they had a son and a daughter they went to our church and were both adult leaders in scouts I think one as Treasurer and the other as a committee member. their daughter spent nearly as much time doing scouting activities as the son , some things I think she may have gotten more into than he did. it is just frustrating to have to say to a family like that , we really appreciate everything you have done for scouting and your daughter is welcome to come along on camp-outs that you are both coming to but we have no rank or path or recognition for the work that she has put in along side the boys and her brother. I know there are a number of scoutmasters that have a son or two and a daughter , and were frustrated that they wanted the same activities and opportunities for their Daughters as their sons.

if you try and send her to GS even if you had a good GS group she could join your cutting your family in half and putting resources in two directions

I can remember going to council training , our council is spread over a dozen counties and 2 states more than a 3 hour drive from edge to edge so it was not uncommon for there to be camping at the training even that was in the practice field of a school that the training was being held in , both mother and father and brothers would be in training and there would be a group of sisters that would hang out in camp or in the cafeteria because there was no place int he organization for them , and now there will be they can be in the same Junior leader training's and programs.
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#6025025 - 10/13/17 03:11 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: MN live bait]
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Originally Posted By: MN live bait
America is the only country that has boy and Girl Scouts. Every other country it's called scouts ! I don't see why people think it's political. Some parents don't want to drive to 2 different things. What's the difference in a girl wanting to trap instead of dancing and a girl wanting to do Boy Scout things instead of selling cookies. I think some dads are just scared to have a girl show up there boy


Lots of countries only admit boys into their scout program, Bahrain, Barbados, Botswana, Kuwait, Lesotho,Liberia, Pakistan, Papua New Guinea, Saudi Arabia...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_Organization_of_the_Scout_Movement_members

Also, it does not really matter what other countries do much. The United States of America is the country that matters to me and most other conservatives. We are the best country, why she would we follow the masses?

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#6025053 - 10/13/17 04:05 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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There use to be bars In Canada where women were not allowed. I don't know If It's still the case.
But you know sometimes It's about just being a guy with out all this inter action with the opposite sex being In your face.
I remember the scouts, we sat around the camp fires talking smart and when you had to take wiz you just got up a did your thing.
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#6025142 - 10/13/17 06:32 PM Re: Girls in the Boy Scouts [Re: Getting There]
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Girl Scouts slam Boy Scouts' decision to accept girls: 'The Boy Scouts' house is on fire'

The Girl Scouts of the USA has issued a blistering rebuke of the Boy Scouts of America's decision to begin letting girls into the ranks of its troops.

"The Boy Scouts' house is on fire," Girl Scouts told ABC News in a statement today. "Instead of addressing systemic issues of continuing sexual assault, financial mismanagement and deficient programming, BSA's senior management wants to add an accelerant to the house fire by recruiting girls."

more: http://abcnews.go.com/US/girl-scouts-slam-boy-scouts-decision-accept-girls/story?id=50433448

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