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#6024362 - 10/12/17 06:29 PM Re: History buffs, Worst general of WWII? [Re: Finster]
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Rommel's path thru history may be repeated again in United States of America 2017. Not assassination plot but rebellion against an out of control leader! Go patriotic generals!


Edited by kickingbird (10/12/17 06:30 PM)
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#6024364 - 10/12/17 06:35 PM Re: History buffs, Worst general of WWII? [Re: kickingbird]
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Originally Posted By: kickingbird
Rommel's path thru history may be repeated again in United States of America 2017. Not assassination plot but rebellion against an out of control leader! Go patriotic generals!


Our military, for the most part, voted for and support President Donald Trump. Very few liberals care enough to serve in the military in the United States. Your side will do very poorly if the United States ever has a military coup.

Keith

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#6024368 - 10/12/17 06:43 PM Re: History buffs, Worst general of WWII? [Re: kickingbird]
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Originally Posted By: kickingbird
Rommel's path thru history may be repeated again in United States of America 2017. Not assassination plot but rebellion against an out of control leader! Go patriotic generals!
Why do the libtards on here feel the need to troll every single thread? Why not go back to PETA where you belong?


Edited by Finster (10/12/17 06:45 PM)
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#6024375 - 10/12/17 06:46 PM Re: History buffs, Worst general of WWII? [Re: BigBob]
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Originally Posted By: BigBob

No, They were too afraid to wake the crazy man up to ask!
Yes, I do believe that is correct.
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#6024387 - 10/12/17 06:59 PM Re: History buffs, Worst general of WWII? [Re: Finster]
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Rommel is over rated as a general. Germanylost North Africa sooner because of him.
He was ordered to hold the Brits at Tobruk not attack. He couldn't get needed supplies because Operation Barbarrosa was under way.
He was tactically brilliant but didn't understand logistics. His staff feared him and wouldn't question his decisions. He wasn't as nice as James Mason portayed him.

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#6024405 - 10/12/17 07:32 PM Re: History buffs, Worst general of WWII? [Re: kickingbird]
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Originally Posted By: kickingbird
Rommel's path thru history may be repeated again in United States of America 2017. Not assassination plot but rebellion against an out of control leader! Go patriotic generals!

Give me one instance of "out of control" behavior and the "leader' to which you refer.
And make it snappy before the crickets get horse...

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#6024411 - 10/12/17 07:36 PM Re: History buffs, Worst general of WWII? [Re: 52Carl]
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Originally Posted By: 52Carl
Originally Posted By: kickingbird
Rommel's path thru history may be repeated again in United States of America 2017. Not assassination plot but rebellion against an out of control leader! Go patriotic generals!

Give me one instance of "out of control" behavior and the "leader' to which you refer.
And make it snappy before the crickets get horse...
Don't feed the trolls, he ain't worth the time. He's just trying to get the thread kicked or start a bunch of crap.


Edited by Finster (10/12/17 07:38 PM)
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#6024420 - 10/12/17 07:56 PM Re: History buffs, Worst general of WWII? [Re: Finster]
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Originally Posted By: Finster
Originally Posted By: kickingbird
Rommel's path thru history may be repeated again in United States of America 2017. Not assassination plot but rebellion against an out of control leader! Go patriotic generals!
Why do the libtards on here feel the need to troll every single thread? Why not go back to PETA where you belong?


you give them more fodder each post than they can come up with
That is the problem finkster you always assume you are the moral authority. As far as peta is concerned
you give them more fodder each post than they can come up with. Just have the backbone to admit what is happening right now in history.


Edited by kickingbird (10/12/17 07:57 PM)
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#6024424 - 10/12/17 07:57 PM Re: History buffs, Worst general of WWII? [Re: kickingbird]
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Originally Posted By: kickingbird


you give them more fodder each post than they can come up with
That is the problem finkster you always assume you are the moral authority. As far as peta is concerned
you give them more fodder each post than they can come up with. Just have the backbone to admit what is happening right now in history.
Good grief, you are an idiot.
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#6024437 - 10/12/17 08:06 PM Re: History buffs, Worst general of WWII? [Re: Finster]
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You sound just like the the man you adore , You should run for office! Just reach down and admit what you know! By the way i have an opinion of you also but will leave it at that,
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#6024440 - 10/12/17 08:12 PM Re: History buffs, Worst general of WWII? [Re: kickingbird]
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Originally Posted By: kickingbird
You sound just like the the man you adore , You should run for office! Just reach down and admit what you know! By the way i have an opinion of you also but will leave it at that,
Go back to PETA where you fit in and are wanted.
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#6024450 - 10/12/17 08:23 PM Re: History buffs, Worst general of WWII? [Re: Finster]
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Unfounded name calling, how old are you? Probably supported more sportsman causes and rights than you have . Do you even hunt or trap? Seems you spend a Lot of time trying to convince people of your minority ideas. If you would spend more time trying helping people rather than inciting people,would not have to dispute your opinion you try to state as fact. I do not try to high jack anyone's posts but yours are all like a bad tv rerun.
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#6024465 - 10/12/17 08:40 PM Re: History buffs, Worst general of WWII? [Re: DaYooper14]
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Originally Posted By: DaYooper14
Clark - for his laziness when invading Italy, sending in under-strength division to get wiped out @ Monte Cassino & rather than breaking out @ Anzio and running them down, headed towards worthless Rome

Kulik - This hombre so messed w/ pre-war preparations and his love of horse that the t-34 was under-gunned as a result of his actions. He was also the commander of the leningrad front at the start

Gamelin - Infamous believer of the Maginot Line - oh it'll hold em out, I think I'll move all my troops to Belgium.





DaYooper14
My wifes great uncle might agree Clark wasn't a good general. He was one of I believe only 19 guys left from the wiped out division you spoke
of. They snuck back threw enemies lines after dark and some how got out alive. He is still alive but I think in a nursing home now. I heard once during a show on history channel. That the invasion failed because Clark took to long getting ready to move after good intel on German troop strength. Good intel had just some reserve units there in that area, the Germans moved crack troops into it sometime after. They said Clark dilly dallied just didn't move quick enough on good the intel..Could have been whole different deal.

Mac


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#6024471 - 10/12/17 08:45 PM Re: History buffs, Worst general of WWII? [Re: DaYooper14]
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Originally Posted By: DaYooper14
Kulik - This hombre so messed w/ pre-war preparations and his love of horse that the t-34 was under-gunned as a result of his actions. He was also the commander of the leningrad front at the start



I've never heard this before. How so? I mean to say, how did that come about?
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#6024487 - 10/12/17 09:00 PM Re: History buffs, Worst general of WWII? [Re: kickingbird]
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Originally Posted By: kickingbird
Rommel's path thru history may be repeated again in United States of America 2017. Not assassination plot but rebellion against an out of control leader! Go patriotic generals!


Obviously you have never served. One notable fact of history is the American military's amazing obedience to its civilian masters. It is ingrained in our martial culture to avoid any hint of the kind of disrespect of the elected leadership.

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#6024499 - 10/12/17 09:13 PM Re: History buffs, Worst general of WWII? [Re: Finster]
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DaYooper, I'm not seeing this under gunned tank thing. From what I understood, the T-34 tank was one of the best of the war and one of the best ever built, obviously considering the era. This is from Wiki so take it with a grain of salt but this is what is printed about it:

The T-34 is a Soviet medium tank that had a profound and lasting effect on the field of tank design. At its introduction, the T-34 possessed an unprecedented combination of firepower, mobility, protection and ruggedness. Its 76.2 mm (3 in) high-velocity tank gun provided a substantial increase in firepower over any of its contemporaries;[5] its well-sloped armour was difficult to penetrate by most contemporary anti-tank weapons. When first encountered in 1941, the German tank general von Kleist called it "the finest tank in the world"[6] and Heinz Guderian affirmed the T-34's "vast superiority" over existing German armour of the period.[7][8] Although its armour and armament were surpassed later in the war, it has often been credited as the most effective, efficient and influential tank design of the Second World War.[9]
The T-34 was the mainstay of Soviet armoured forces throughout the Second World War. Its design allowed it to be continuously refined to meet the constantly evolving needs of the Eastern Front: as the war went on it became more capable, but also quicker and cheaper to produce. Soviet industry would eventually produce over 80,000 T-34s of all variants, allowing steadily greater numbers to be fielded as the war progressed despite the loss of thousands in combat against the German Wehrmacht.[10] Replacing many light and medium tanks in Red Army service, it was the most-produced tank of the war, as well as the second most produced tank of all time (after its successor, the T-54/55 series).[11] Its development led directly to the T-54 and T-55 series of tanks, which in turn evolved into the later T-62, T-72, and T-90 that form the armoured mainstay of many modern armies. T-34 variants were widely exported after World War II, and, as of 2017, the tank remains in limited frontline service in many developing countries.


Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-34
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#6024517 - 10/12/17 09:39 PM Re: History buffs, Worst general of WWII? [Re: Finster]
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The T-34 out gunned all but a few tanks in WW2,
if anything you could say they weren't ready at the beginning because
of Kulik, but considering the Russians helped Germany by letting them design and build
their tanks in Russia, they couldn't in Germany because of The Versailles Treaty,
the Russians knew what was coming,so they made theirs better,
they had the T-34's ,Stalin held them back til Germany got over extended and he pounced,
he sacrificed a lot of people/soldiers with that strategy (RUTHLESS)but he won.


Edited by Art S (10/12/17 09:39 PM)

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#6024530 - 10/12/17 09:58 PM Re: History buffs, Worst general of WWII? [Re: Finster]
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Bigbob you are mixing up the panzers in the rear controlled by Hitler with the coastal infantry that could have been pulled out and sent west to flank Normandy.V. Runstedt controlled them.
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#6024533 - 10/12/17 10:08 PM Re: History buffs, Worst general of WWII? [Re: Finster]
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Rommel was a military genious way ahead of his time. He lost North Africa because the needed petrol and supplies were sunk on their way to him by British planes on Malta and submarines. Ultra intercept provided the intelligence. Hitler did not see the value if the Suez Canal. Rommel almost took it with two battered Panzer divisions and a light division and an Italian division. He was outnumbered almost 7 to 1. Poor resources and superb leadership. Kinda reminds me of Bobby Lee.
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#6024535 - 10/12/17 10:11 PM Re: History buffs, Worst general of WWII? [Re: kickingbird]
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Originally Posted By: kickingbird
Rommel's path thru history may be repeated again in United States of America 2017. Not assassination plot but rebellion against an out of control leader! Go patriotic generals!


What an idiot. You taking Addicted Anglers place now?

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