Re: Spike buck
[Re: AJE]
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11/02/17 08:06 PM
11/02/17 08:06 PM
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There is NO WAY of knowing!! The " experts" that get paid for writing about " their findings" do so in mostly an enclosed area with controlled conditions! I see more and more every year where a good looking young buck at 3 years old never amounts to much more than he was 2 3 years later.
YOU CANNOT shoot the genetic potential out of deer in a wild herd !
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Re: Spike buck
[Re: AJE]
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11/02/17 08:59 PM
11/02/17 08:59 PM
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Some hunters are the dumbest people in the world with the things they believe and tell people. The ‘Once a spike always a spike’ is a retarded saying and if you say it and preach it, you’re retarded too. Plenty of places with good cover, water, and all the food in the world will produce spikes and monster bucks. Can’t blame spikes on poor food when you have a bunch of 130”-200” bucks on the land. It’s an individual thing. That spike could become the next world record if given the chance.
How many people had someone in their class super short in elementary then was one of the tallest in high school?
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Re: Spike buck
[Re: coonfinder]
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11/02/17 10:06 PM
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No offense to you coonfinder, or anyone else for that matter, but I looked at those chronological photos of Reartree's spike and I question their scoring ability for each photo. But then they are in the business of selling every hunting gadget imaginable and are prone to exaggeration almost as much as a Michigan fisherman. Another issue is that all knowledgeable herd managers would have culled that deer after its third year since it lacked the genetics to produce at least 10 points by that age. The remaining photos of ages 4,5,6,7, and 8 confirmed this. OK so it ended up being a deer every single one of us would like to shoot, but over its 7 breeding years it polluted the herd's gene pool with its inferior genetics. Are all spikes doomed to be inferior once fully mature? Of course not. Are most of them doomed as such? Very likely. The best parallel has been brought up about knowledgeable cattlemen not choosing runts to become their breed bulls.
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Re: Spike buck
[Re: AJE]
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11/02/17 11:46 PM
11/02/17 11:46 PM
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They'll amount to something here,dinner on my familys table.Im out there for the meat mostly,so that is a good pile of tender meat.
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Re: Spike buck
[Re: 52Carl]
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11/03/17 01:26 AM
11/03/17 01:26 AM
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No offense to you coonfinder, or anyone else for that matter, but I looked at those chronological photos of Reartree's spike and I question their scoring ability for each photo. But then they are in the business of selling every hunting gadget imaginable and are prone to exaggeration almost as much as a Michigan fisherman. Another issue is that all knowledgeable herd managers would have culled that deer after its third year since it lacked the genetics to produce at least 10 points by that age. The remaining photos of ages 4,5,6,7, and 8 confirmed this. OK so it ended up being a deer every single one of us would like to shoot, but over its 7 breeding years it polluted the herd's gene pool with its inferior genetics. Are all spikes doomed to be inferior once fully mature? Of course not. Are most of them doomed as such? Very likely. The best parallel has been brought up about knowledgeable cattlemen not choosing runts to become their breed bulls. I compleatly agree with you! But it’s also hard to judge a deer just from pictures sometimes. As for the other arguments that are presented. The deer from this article isint a high fence deer or in a “controlled” environment. That why I think this is a good argument. I personally shoot small deer if it’s the beginning of the season. During the beginning of the season I’m under the impression to just fill my freezer. But once I have a buck and a doe or two that’s when I start holding off to see if I can see or shoot a bigger buck. Just my opinion though fellas.
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Re: Spike buck
[Re: jeff karsten]
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11/03/17 07:55 AM
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then why do the deer ranches cull their buck herd Those "Culls" are 3.5 year old deer. They dont' cull 1.5 year old bucks. Thats an important piece of information to keep in mind. They've let that buck get to 3.5 and determine that the rack Genetics aren't what they want in the herd.
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Re: Spike buck
[Re: AJE]
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11/03/17 08:02 AM
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Rye
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Meat hunting is one thing, and I don't knock anyone that drops deer for meat. I do it myself (focused on does for meat) With that said, I've heard the adage that you can't boil antlers long enough to eat - and it's true no doubt. Killing a mature buck is a challenge. That is why people chase the horns. To catch a well educated free range/public land buck off his guard and get a shot off, esp with a bow, is a feat. The measure of the buck killed is in the experience in getting him. The hunting industry is finally coming around to this concept. Rather than focus on these purchased hunts where they show up and kill a PY buck in 3 days - they are now focusing on following a buck for several seasons and watching grow up. Once fully grown, the chase is on.
Here in Eastern NC, we've had fawn drops recorded in every month EXCEPT Jan and Feb. This means our fawns are spread way out and not all go into the season with the same amount of growth time/age. We also have relatively poor wild nutrition. Add in dog hunting where the majority of the hunters are shooting whatever runs out of the woods you get a very high mortality rate on young deer. Additionally the increase in population of the coyote is severely hurting the herd because of the spread in the fawn drop. Rather than overwhelming the coyotes with food for a month or two, it's going on all summer at a trickle thus giving them a steady food supply.
For those that say killing a deer is too easy. I give you this challenge. Hang a camera in the late spring. Follow the photos until late August. Select ONE deer. Buck or doe and hunt that ONE until you kill it. In this you'll find the challenge of hunting a single deer. Killing just any deer isn't a challenge.. Killing one in particular is a different story.
"Don't go around saying the world owes you a living; the world owes you nothing; it was here first. " --Mark Twain.
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