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#6052015 - 11/11/17 08:30 PM 5 day Fisher season: What is the point???
Canvasback2 Offline
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Registered: 07/15/16
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Loc: NY
Well, the NYS DEC has a Fisher season in WNY. But the season is only 5 days long . To top it off, the have it when the fur isn't even prime yet.

What is the point of :

A. A 5 day season?

B. having the trapping season when the fur is not prime?

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#6052019 - 11/11/17 08:32 PM Re: 5 day Fisher season: What is the point??? [Re: Canvasback2]
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Registered: 08/08/11
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Loc: james bay frontierOnt.
Sport mentality.

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#6052022 - 11/11/17 08:33 PM Re: 5 day Fisher season: What is the point??? [Re: Canvasback2]
white marlin Offline
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Registered: 01/04/07
Posts: 1856
Loc: SW PA
too many trappers, not enough fishers for everyone.
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#6052028 - 11/11/17 08:38 PM Re: 5 day Fisher season: What is the point??? [Re: Canvasback2]
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Registered: 10/29/09
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Fishers are easy to trap but not real plenyfull
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#6052065 - 11/11/17 09:16 PM Re: 5 day Fisher season: What is the point??? [Re: Canvasback2]
Predatorfever32 Offline
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Registered: 10/08/17
Posts: 89
Loc: Pennsylvania
i thought the ten day season we have down here was brief.

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#6052068 - 11/11/17 09:22 PM Re: 5 day Fisher season: What is the point??? [Re: Boco]
Dirt Offline
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Registered: 12/01/10
Posts: 2967
Loc: Armpit, ak
Originally Posted By: Boco
Sport mentality.


They should have a draw with preference points.
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#6052085 - 11/11/17 09:43 PM Re: 5 day Fisher season: What is the point??? [Re: Canvasback2]
mnsota Offline
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Registered: 02/26/09
Posts: 1225
Loc: minnesota
Fishers are easy to trap but not real plenyfull

True,but they have an uncanny ability to skew the number game.
Would a ten day season jeopardize a population model? All reports seem to indicate a population expansion.

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#6052088 - 11/11/17 09:47 PM Re: 5 day Fisher season: What is the point??? [Re: Canvasback2]
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Maybe don't have a season till they can give every trapper a tag . laugh
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#6052117 - 11/11/17 10:59 PM Re: 5 day Fisher season: What is the point??? [Re: bucksnbears]
MN live bait Offline
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Registered: 07/03/17
Posts: 63
Loc: Minnesota
Originally Posted By: bucksnbears
Fishers are easy to trap but not real plenyfull


I'd have to firmly disagree with the not real plentiful statement..

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#6052158 - 11/12/17 02:52 AM Re: 5 day Fisher season: What is the point??? [Re: RiversNorth13]
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Loc: Henderson, N.Y. Jefferson Co.
Originally Posted By: RiversNorth13

Maybe don't have a season till they can give every trapper a tag . laugh


They've (NYS DEC) Already Done That In The New Western New York Fisher Season.

There Are No Bag Limits And A Trapper Can Take As Many As He Can During That Five Day Period.

During The Inaugural Fisher Season Last Year, Some Trappers Harvested Multiple Fisher.

NYS DEC Needs A Later Start To The Fisher Season and One Longer In Duration.

Starting It After Deer Season Would Be A Good Idea Also.

w


Edited by walleyed (11/12/17 02:53 AM)
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#6052234 - 11/12/17 06:36 AM Re: 5 day Fisher season: What is the point??? [Re: Canvasback2]
Trapper Dahlgren Offline
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Registered: 06/15/16
Posts: 1099
Loc: Michigan
had 5 in one picture at a bear bait this year all about same size must have been family group ? how many young do they normally have

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#6052239 - 11/12/17 06:44 AM Re: 5 day Fisher season: What is the point??? [Re: Canvasback2]
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Registered: 12/31/06
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Loc: Minnesota
Too short for anyone...to really manage
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#6052240 - 11/12/17 06:45 AM Re: 5 day Fisher season: What is the point??? [Re: Canvasback2]
pcr2 Offline
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Registered: 05/17/10
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Loc: potter co. p.a.
bad with names but the gentleman getting into lure making from Little Valley on here hammered them.saw some headed to the taxi market by a client that were not very nice.i wouldn't have bought them.
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#6052270 - 11/12/17 07:29 AM Re: 5 day Fisher season: What is the point??? [Re: Canvasback2]
trapperlee Offline
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Registered: 07/29/07
Posts: 446
Loc: Minnesota
MN made ours real short as well. It more of a trophy thing now. They asked why I didn't trap them last year at tagging day, and I told them the short season was a waste of time.

I have caught plenty and not hard to throw a skunk bucket and wait one out. We have plenty and I am almost to the red river and have them on camera and bear baits all the time.

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#6052273 - 11/12/17 07:32 AM Re: 5 day Fisher season: What is the point??? [Re: Canvasback2]
trapperlee Offline
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Registered: 07/29/07
Posts: 446
Loc: Minnesota
MN seems to be turning to protect all the predators and kill everything else off. Don't make sense if we kill all the food and have thousands of predators. Bears, wolves, fisher, bobcats, they try to save them all here it seems. Getting stupid with the amount of bears in our area and we are no quota.

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#6052320 - 11/12/17 08:14 AM Re: 5 day Fisher season: What is the point??? [Re: Canvasback2]
bandy Offline
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Registered: 02/15/12
Posts: 327
Loc: Tazewell/VA
The numbers have to be growing because West Virginia has a season with a bag limit of one and here in Virginia we have them listed as a fur bearer with a continuous closed season. I hope I get the first nontarget catch will have to turn it in but it would still be cool I trap the state line.

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#6052324 - 11/12/17 08:17 AM Re: 5 day Fisher season: What is the point??? [Re: Canvasback2]
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Loc: potter co. p.a.
wait till you have to release one and he's sitting there wagging that pretty black bushy tail and making the cutest little sounds then as you take a step towards them and they smile and you think he stole his teeth from a doberman.just sayin grin
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#6052399 - 11/12/17 09:24 AM Re: 5 day Fisher season: What is the point??? [Re: Canvasback2]
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Mostly about “opportunity “. Weather is good & it turns that trapping “opportunity “ into a “trophy opportunity “.

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#6052401 - 11/12/17 09:24 AM Re: 5 day Fisher season: What is the point??? [Re: Canvasback2]
ponyboy Offline
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Registered: 08/23/11
Posts: 347
Loc: New York
After 3 years they may adjust length of season and date of opening.
Five first year trappers in our 2016 trapping class caught fisher. One guy got 8.
An anonymous local guy caught 21 in five days this year.


Edited by ponyboy (11/12/17 09:50 AM)

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#6053163 - 11/13/17 06:30 AM Re: 5 day Fisher season: What is the point??? [Re: Canvasback2]
bandy Offline
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Registered: 02/15/12
Posts: 327
Loc: Tazewell/VA
If West Virginia had a bigger cat limit I would get a out of state license so if I did pick one on the line I could keep.

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#6053176 - 11/13/17 06:56 AM Re: 5 day Fisher season: What is the point??? [Re: Canvasback2]
2labs Offline
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Registered: 01/02/07
Posts: 845
Loc: Western N Y
Yes it seems pretty dumb, but that is NY. I live just north of the boundaries, and won't be going after one. The area I live in has alot of fishers but not a season here and I am just 12 miles from the boundaries of the area you can trap them. I also feel they are killing the Turkey's down this way.

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#6053209 - 11/13/17 07:26 AM Re: 5 day Fisher season: What is the point??? [Re: pcr2]
Ronaround Offline
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Registered: 02/04/13
Posts: 1029
Loc: N.E.Ohio
Originally Posted By: pcr2
wait till you have to release one and he's sitting there wagging that pretty black bushy tail and making the cutest little sounds then as you take a step towards them and they smile and you think he stole his teeth from a doberman.just sayin grin


great analogy my friend!!

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#6053279 - 11/13/17 08:47 AM Re: 5 day Fisher season: What is the point??? [Re: Canvasback2]
whartonrattrappe Offline
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Registered: 11/05/13
Posts: 140
Loc: NY
Yes the season was only SIX days but, it's a chance to hone your skills in fair weather. Which we get in NYS sometimes for the month of November. The ones I caught in the expansion zone the last week in October didn't look any less prime than the ones caught in the Adirondacks this weekend.

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#6053308 - 11/13/17 09:25 AM Re: 5 day Fisher season: What is the point??? [Re: Canvasback2]
Fisherman Offline
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Registered: 07/26/08
Posts: 544
Loc: northern New York
With all of their bragging about fisher in the southern tier, the truth is that NYS DEC has been a miserable failure when it comes to fisher management. They have established this ridiculous season in western NY because they are so afraid someone might catch and keep a fisher during the canine and coon season, so they opened it the same as when those seasons open. My question is, are there enough fisher there to warrant an open season or not? From all observations there certainly are. To justify their actions they go to terms such as "trophy" and opportunity" and completely ignore fur quality. Truth is that a later season in late December, such as in Pennsylvania, would provide those same things along with quality furs. To provide merely for "sport" and "Trophies" plays right into the arguments of the anti trappers.
I suspect that a lot of this is to prevent a repeat OF the total failure to protect the core Adironack population! Say what you will, but someone was asleep at the switch,too busy radio collaring and playing with a species that is growing and expanding their range; pine marten. Truth is that the biologist most responsible for the fisher management plan knows little to nothing about fisher and resorts to college text book theories, such as TPUE (Traps per Unit of Effort). Consequently NY trappers have to apply for a "Special Fisher permit, Must maintain a daily log, and must submit the head or jaw" The log is to justify that TPUE theory and trappers are threatened with no permit in the following year if they fail to turn in the log. Gestapo tactics?
The St. Lawrence county study of a few years ago demonstrated that a later fisher season had no adverse affect upon the population, yet DEC chooses to ignore this and instead chooses to twist results of the flawed Cornell surveys to their advantage. All of this seems to me is to justify their own jobs; think I'm crazy? Just look at what they've done with deer management!

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#6053342 - 11/13/17 10:05 AM Re: 5 day Fisher season: What is the point??? [Re: Canvasback2]
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Loc: potter co. p.a.
i wish Sawmill Creek i believe it is from Catt.County would chime in.
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#6053348 - 11/13/17 10:12 AM Re: 5 day Fisher season: What is the point??? [Re: Canvasback2]
Rat_Pack Offline
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Registered: 01/17/07
Posts: 1427
Loc: Central New York
Cuomo is at the helm. Poop rolls down hill. End of story.

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#6053383 - 11/13/17 11:17 AM Re: 5 day Fisher season: What is the point??? [Re: Fisherman]
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Registered: 01/24/14
Posts: 1264
Loc: Co.-Wy. part time AK.
Originally Posted By: Fisherman
With all of their bragging about fisher in the southern tier, the truth is that NYS DEC has been a miserable failure when it comes to fisher management. They have established this ridiculous season in western NY because they are so afraid someone might catch and keep a fisher during the canine and coon season, so they opened it the same as when those seasons open. My question is, are there enough fisher there to warrant an open season or not? From all observations there certainly are. To justify their actions they go to terms such as "trophy" and opportunity" and completely ignore fur quality. Truth is that a later season in late December, such as in Pennsylvania, would provide those same things along with quality furs. To provide merely for "sport" and "Trophies" plays right into the arguments of the anti trappers.
I suspect that a lot of this is to prevent a repeat OF the total failure to protect the core Adironack population! Say what you will, but someone was asleep at the switch,too busy radio collaring and playing with a species that is growing and expanding their range; pine marten. Truth is that the biologist most responsible for the fisher management plan knows little to nothing about fisher and resorts to college text book theories, such as TPUE (Traps per Unit of Effort). Consequently NY trappers have to apply for a "Special Fisher permit, Must maintain a daily log, and must submit the head or jaw" The log is to justify that TPUE theory and trappers are threatened with no permit in the following year if they fail to turn in the log. Gestapo tactics?
The St. Lawrence county study of a few years ago demonstrated that a later fisher season had no adverse affect upon the population, yet DEC chooses to ignore this and instead chooses to twist results of the flawed Cornell surveys to their advantage. All of this seems to me is to justify their own jobs; think I'm crazy? Just look at what they've done with deer management!
Unfortunately, the state wildlife agency employees are often times almost totally ignorant of what "PRIME" fur is or means, or differences in grades and values. The concept of fully utilizing wildlife taken for the fur frequently escapes them and can be equated to killing a deer and only taking the backstraps and wasting the rest. I hope this message makes it's way to the right DEC people.

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#6053467 - 11/13/17 01:48 PM Re: 5 day Fisher season: What is the point??? [Re: Canvasback2]
Trapper7 Offline
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Registered: 12/27/06
Posts: 4761
Loc: MN, Land of 10,000 Lakes
A few years ago MN had their 5 day season and 3 of the 5 days we got heavy snow with wind that buried every set.
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#6054188 - 11/14/17 09:27 AM Re: 5 day Fisher season: What is the point??? [Re: Fisherman]
whartonrattrappe Offline
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Registered: 11/05/13
Posts: 140
Loc: NY
Originally Posted By: Fisherman
With all of their bragging about fisher in the southern tier, the truth is that NYS DEC has been a miserable failure when it comes to fisher management. They have established this ridiculous season in western NY because they are so afraid someone might catch and keep a fisher during the canine and coon season, so they opened it the same as when those seasons open. My question is, are there enough fisher there to warrant an open season or not? From all observations there certainly are. To justify their actions they go to terms such as "trophy" and opportunity" and completely ignore fur quality. Truth is that a later season in late December, such as in Pennsylvania, would provide those same things along with quality furs. To provide merely for "sport" and "Trophies" plays right into the arguments of the anti trappers.
I suspect that a lot of this is to prevent a repeat OF the total failure to protect the core Adironack population! Say what you will, but someone was asleep at the switch,too busy radio collaring and playing with a species that is growing and expanding their range; pine marten. Truth is that the biologist most responsible for the fisher management plan knows little to nothing about fisher and resorts to college text book theories, such as TPUE (Traps per Unit of Effort). Consequently NY trappers have to apply for a "Special Fisher permit, Must maintain a daily log, and must submit the head or jaw" The log is to justify that TPUE theory and trappers are threatened with no permit in the following year if they fail to turn in the log. Gestapo tactics?
The St. Lawrence county study of a few years ago demonstrated that a later fisher season had no adverse affect upon the population, yet DEC chooses to ignore this and instead chooses to twist results of the flawed Cornell surveys to their advantage. All of this seems to me is to justify their own jobs; think I'm crazy? Just look at what they've done with deer management!


You show an awful lot of disdain for someone who at one time had an excellent working relationship with the DEC. What happened?

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#6054208 - 11/14/17 09:51 AM Re: 5 day Fisher season: What is the point??? [Re: Canvasback2]
Redknot Offline
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Registered: 12/29/06
Posts: 654
Loc: Tug Hill, NY
It's a three-year fisher population study being conducted by DEC...
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#6054209 - 11/14/17 09:52 AM Re: 5 day Fisher season: What is the point??? [Re: Canvasback2]
Rick Otts Offline
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Registered: 11/08/13
Posts: 981
Loc: Alpine NY
The Fisher and Bobcat permit programs are a real pain in the butt and the people at Cornell are worthless I believe they are friends with PETA.There are a lot more fisher around than people think the same with bobcats heck I seen a Cougar on Connect hill last year and plenty of bobcat sign but no season there.
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#6054210 - 11/14/17 09:56 AM Re: 5 day Fisher season: What is the point??? [Re: walleyed]
Fire Fly Guy Offline
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Registered: 12/24/06
Posts: 2968
Loc: New York
Originally Posted By: walleyed
Originally Posted By: RiversNorth13

Maybe don't have a season till they can give every trapper a tag . laugh


They've (NYS DEC) Already Done That In The New Western New York Fisher Season.

There Are No Bag Limits And A Trapper Can Take As Many As He Can During That Five Day Period.

During The Inaugural Fisher Season Last Year, Some Trappers Harvested Multiple Fisher.

NYS DEC Needs A Later Start To The Fisher Season and One Longer In Duration.

Starting It After Deer Season Would Be A Good Idea Also.

w


I disagree Walleye, after deer season there is to much snow in WNY. It's kinda like the old 10 day beaver season in Jan. they used to have. A trapper couldn't access have the places that needed trapping. I think the Fischer season, should be identical to coon season, with a bag limit. Let the individual decide when he wants to trap and avoid the heartache of incidental catches. If you filled your fisher bag limit, I guess you would have to decide to hang up the 220's on the coon line. But....... if you catch your fisher, completely unintentionally, and your under the bag limit.... you get to keep him.
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#6054212 - 11/14/17 09:57 AM Re: 5 day Fisher season: What is the point??? [Re: Redknot]
whartonrattrappe Offline
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Registered: 11/05/13
Posts: 140
Loc: NY
Originally Posted By: Redknot
It's a three-year fisher population study being conducted by DEC...


Huh...It's a season not a study. The study was completed before the season was enacted.

I for one hope the data compiled from the 6 day season will result in an even longer season after the three years.

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#6054213 - 11/14/17 10:02 AM Re: 5 day Fisher season: What is the point??? [Re: Rick Otts]
Fire Fly Guy Offline
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Registered: 12/24/06
Posts: 2968
Loc: New York
Originally Posted By: Rick Otts
The Fisher and Bobcat permit programs are a real pain in the butt and the people at Cornell are worthless I believe they are friends with PETA.There are a lot more fisher around than people think the same with bobcats heck I seen a Cougar on Connect hill last year and plenty of bobcat sign but no season there.


Please do tell about the Cougar!
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#6054214 - 11/14/17 10:04 AM Re: 5 day Fisher season: What is the point??? [Re: Canvasback2]
Redknot Offline
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Registered: 12/29/06
Posts: 654
Loc: Tug Hill, NY
Wharton, it is a population study to better determine the population dynamics of Fisher in the central and western portion of NYS. Edit: And portions of the ADKs

At the conclusion of this study, if it is determined that many of these locations have a sustainable Fisher population we would expect a season to be implemented that considers fur primness as well as season durations and perhaps even bag limits.


Edited by Redknot (11/14/17 10:13 AM)
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#6054220 - 11/14/17 10:07 AM Re: 5 day Fisher season: What is the point??? [Re: Canvasback2]
Fire Fly Guy Offline
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Registered: 12/24/06
Posts: 2968
Loc: New York
So as all DEC studies go.......... will it end up like the otter study? The DEC shouldn't be able to start a study until they finish one.
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#6054222 - 11/14/17 10:11 AM Re: 5 day Fisher season: What is the point??? [Re: Canvasback2]
Redknot Offline
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Registered: 12/29/06
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Loc: Tug Hill, NY
Oh no FFG, this is way ahead of the Otter study...We will be trapping Fisher in most of the areas that are open now (special or otherwise) long before DEC opens (or reopens) an otter area; as sad as that is...
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#6054227 - 11/14/17 10:23 AM Re: 5 day Fisher season: What is the point??? [Re: Redknot]
whartonrattrappe Offline
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Registered: 11/05/13
Posts: 140
Loc: NY
Originally Posted By: Redknot
Wharton, it is a population study to better determine the population dynamics of Fisher in the central and western portion of NYS. Edit: And portions of the ADKs

At the conclusion of this study, if it is determined that many of these locations have a sustainable Fisher population we would expect a season to be implemented that considers fur primness as well as season durations and perhaps even bag limits.


I may be confused on this then. Correct me if I am wrong. As I understood it, the DEC/Cornell study took place the three years prior to the institution of the six day season. Then the six day season would be revisited after the three years are up.

I remember seeing the results of the study but have not been able to locate it at the present time.

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#6054236 - 11/14/17 10:38 AM Re: 5 day Fisher season: What is the point??? [Re: Canvasback2]
ponyboy Offline
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Registered: 08/23/11
Posts: 347
Loc: New York
No offense intended. But, Many years ago didn't a lot of the northern zone trappers get paid a good amount of money from the River Otter Restoration Project?
How much were they getting paid for each live, healthy, vet checked otter? They were all for it, which ended up putting all kinds of restrictions on the Southern Zone Trappers. We had no other option, but to adapt and work with the new regulations. But, some guys don't know what happened and may not have been trapping 20 years ago.

They were all about working with the DEC back then. The money was good and any new regulations on the Southern guys did not affect them.
The DEC will have their Projects and Studies until the end of time.

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#6054237 - 11/14/17 10:39 AM Re: 5 day Fisher season: What is the point??? [Re: Redknot]
Fire Fly Guy Offline
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Loc: New York
Originally Posted By: Redknot
Oh no FFG, this is way ahead of the Otter study...We will be trapping Fisher in most of the areas that are open now (special or otherwise) long before DEC opens (or reopens) an otter area; as sad as that is...


But what if they couldn't start a study till they finished a study? My goodness they would either become way more efficient or stalemated
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#6054240 - 11/14/17 10:43 AM Re: 5 day Fisher season: What is the point??? [Re: Canvasback2]
Redknot Offline
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Registered: 12/29/06
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Loc: Tug Hill, NY
Wharton, work was done by DEC prior to creating a Fisher Management Plan, but not enough is still known about some of these central and western areas as well as why numbers seem to have changed in the ADKs.

Why do you think DEC is requiring log books and collecting jaw bones (the NYS FWMB suggested collecting whole carcasses or female reproductive tracts, but DEC thought that would be too difficult), if not for a study?

Yes, at the end of these three years (next year) the information will be analyzed and future seasons should be implemented.

It's at this time trappers should be very vocal about when a fisher season should occur... A later season opener is not out of the question at all..

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#6054248 - 11/14/17 10:50 AM Re: 5 day Fisher season: What is the point??? [Re: ponyboy]
Redknot Offline
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Posts: 654
Loc: Tug Hill, NY
Originally Posted By: ponyboy
No offense intended. But, Many years ago didn't a lot of the northern zone trappers get paid a good amount of money from the River Otter Restoration Project?
How much were they getting paid for each live, healthy, vet checked otter? They were all for it, which ended up putting all kinds of restrictions on the Southern Zone Trappers. We had no other option, but to adapt and work with the new regulations. But, some guys don't know what happened and may not have been trapping 20 years ago.

They were all about working with the DEC back then. The money was good and any new regulations on the Southern guys did not affect them.
The DEC will have their Projects and Studies until the end of time.



Pony, I recall it being a Tuesday night (after one of my Town Planning Board meetings) in February, that I had to slide my 330 triggers over within two inches of the jaw on all my beaver sets. DEC did not choose to do this the following season, but made that change smack dab in the middle of the occurring beaver season for those of us in the southern zones. Those in the north just slept through the night...
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#6054306 - 11/14/17 12:19 PM Re: 5 day Fisher season: What is the point??? [Re: Canvasback2]
Fisherman Offline
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Loc: northern New York
Wharton; I served as JTI chairman for close to 25 years and am most proud of the working relationship we had 3with DEC and the accomplishments we made. How many trappers today even know about the padded trap issue which started it all? At our very first meeting we walked out on DEC and showed them we meant business. Soon we got back together and developed a great working relationship through numerous issues.
Unfortunately times and people change. I think I began to sour when DEC and Cornell used a very tricky survey to twist trappers answers to what DEC wanted. They completely ignored the JTI survey which I personally wrote and conducted. The biologists in Warrensburgh; Mark Brown and Gary Parsons fiercely protected the core fisher population in the Adirondacks, but eventually Gary was promoted to the chief of the Bureau and Mark retired.
Gordon Batcheller warned us about some of the new graduates coming on board and the influence some of the very liberal colleges was having on them. I started complaining about the decline in fisher long before DEC undertook their study; and then it started in the southern tier with puffed up chests and a lot of bragging for something that DEC really did not have part of.
I got asked to be part of the BMP trapping study; only the request was made by a biologist pretty much at the end of the season after I had caught most of my fisher, was told what traps to use, not the traps of my choice, and was assigned a woman technician that was more interested in checking her E-Mail and putting on her makeup than going out in the woods.
Then came the otter project along with closing the otter season in the Mohawk Valley and Catskills for no good reason. I remember the trigger testing at the Hales Creek Field Station and I remember captured otters being fed contaminated great lakes salmon. How long has it been since the season closures and the reintroductions in western New York and still no open season? I remember many broken promises never kept by DEC. I remember a tech being hired by DEC to sneak around checking on trigger compliance. How many different otter studies were conducted and still no results?
I know this; I'm looking at a lot of MT fisher traps because they just are not there any more. DEC no longer listens to trappers and I was told at an Ithaca meeting that early caught pelts are still "saleable". At the same meeting I had quite a sermon on TPUE inspite of the many variables that make it worthless. To this day we as trappers have to make out a log to justify that theory. Well those biologists have been promoted. New faces have appeared, and new attitudes. New York fisher are a most valuable natural and renewable resource that should be treated as such, not as a "trophy" or fior "recreational value".
Add all of these together and a lot more and yes this old dog has turned sour!

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#6054344 - 11/14/17 01:03 PM Re: 5 day Fisher season: What is the point??? [Re: Canvasback2]
whartonrattrappe Offline
trapper

Registered: 11/05/13
Posts: 140
Loc: NY
Fisherman, thank you for your response. I knew most of what you said from your earlier postings, I can imagine if I was in your shoes I'd feel the same way. I remember when the trigger regulation was enacted and agree that was BS also. I also agree with your assessment of TPUE. Thank you for all the time you invested in trapping in NY.

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#6054350 - 11/14/17 01:15 PM Re: 5 day Fisher season: What is the point??? [Re: Canvasback2]
Steven 49er Offline
trapper

Registered: 05/18/10
Posts: 4471
Loc: mn north of blakely
Fisherman, are you saying that that a government agency tailored a survey to get the results they wanted and then used those results against us?

Say it isn't so lol.

Thanks for your post.

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#6054488 - 11/14/17 04:28 PM Re: 5 day Fisher season: What is the point??? [Re: Canvasback2]
Fisherman Offline
trapper

Registered: 07/26/08
Posts: 544
Loc: northern New York
Thar is absolutely what I am saying.

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