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#6053806 - 11/13/17 08:51 PM wi deer numbers
bluejay Offline
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Registered: 12/25/12
Posts: 36
Loc: Sauk co. Wi
have any other wi deer hunters seen a drastic drop in deer numbers? the property i hunt in sauk co is next to a state park which thanks to scott walker is now a public hunting ground. our deer herd has been decimated due to the public land. this park is 560 acres and there are a minimum of 40 vehicles parked there opening weekend so probably 60 hunters. if any one else has seen a similar drop in deer numbers do you think enough sportsman have the stones to say screw the dnr and refuse to buy a hunting licsense to make the dnr think

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#6053828 - 11/13/17 09:12 PM Re: wi deer numbers [Re: bluejay]
Dirk Offline
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Registered: 10/06/08
Posts: 154
Loc: Wisconsin
Deer numbers in my area seem to be normal and there is a heavily used state park near me

Black Bear numbers in my area are rising fast

Scott Walker isn't to blame here I guess

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#6053836 - 11/13/17 09:19 PM Re: wi deer numbers [Re: bluejay]
keystone Offline
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Registered: 01/25/11
Posts: 2325
Loc: laporte co. indiana
Isn't Wisconsin the deer driving capitol of the US? Everything i've heard about deer hunting in Wisconsin is a bunch of guys get together and just push deer until they disappear altogether. Meanwhile shooting at everything that runs. My father in law owns some land there and that's all they do is drives pretty much. He's been asking me to go for ten years and i don't want anything to do with it. I haven't seen that crew bring a nice buck back in ten years either. Just a bunch of does and small bucks, whatever runs by.

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#6053841 - 11/13/17 09:24 PM Re: wi deer numbers [Re: keystone]
RiversNorth13 Offline
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Registered: 11/04/10
Posts: 4317
Loc: Gitche Gumee Wisconsin
Originally Posted By: keystone
Isn't Wisconsin the deer driving capitol of the US? Everything i've heard about deer hunting in Wisconsin is a bunch of guys get together and just push deer until they disappear altogether. Meanwhile shooting at everything that runs. My father in law owns some land there and that's all they do is drives pretty much. He's been asking me to go for ten years and i don't want anything to do with it. I haven't seen that crew bring a nice buck back in ten years either. Just a bunch of does and small bucks, whatever runs by.




Sounds like your hearing about out of state hunters .

People that drove deer, has been a thing of the past , MANY years ago .
Everyone just sits on their stand now a days .
Your relatives probably drove them to the neighbors, unless they don't have any .
Probably why their don't bring back a nice buck .

Do they bring their own beer or get it when they buy their license ? laugh


See if they will are willing to not do drives this year and see if anything changes .

The hard core guys have been hunting for 2 weeks already and probably have their buck .

They probably have the camp stocked with beers already !
Might not even leave camp ! laugh

Seen one guy with a fork horn otherwise is not been good hunting here in Wisconsin .

There is some beer to be had if the deer don't cooperate.

I would put Indiana in the top 7 states to hunt , but that's just me .
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#6053850 - 11/13/17 09:32 PM Re: wi deer numbers [Re: bluejay]
NE Wildlife Offline
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Registered: 02/16/12
Posts: 741
Loc: Northeast Wisconsin
The deer numbers have been down here since 2005
I don't blame anyone except for the hunters. Just because
There are tags available doesn't mean you should use them.
The numbers are good in pockets here because some larger tracts
Of land have people with common sense that hunt them.
Now quality bucks we will NEVER have like in areas of southern and
Western Wisconsin. Again because way to many hunters "have" to use that
Tag they bought.

To answer your question, no there is a very small parentage that would
Actually protest and not go hunting, I would guess like 15%
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#6053851 - 11/13/17 09:32 PM Re: wi deer numbers [Re: bluejay]
bluejay Offline
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Registered: 12/25/12
Posts: 36
Loc: Sauk co. Wi
i dont know where you are located dirk but if you have deer left near public land you are the exception not the rule

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#6053868 - 11/13/17 09:53 PM Re: wi deer numbers [Re: bluejay]
corky Offline
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Registered: 12/29/06
Posts: 2629
Loc: Three Lakes,WI 66
After 2 normal winters our numbers are rebounding but very slowly.
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#6053874 - 11/13/17 09:59 PM Re: wi deer numbers [Re: NE Wildlife]
RiversNorth13 Offline
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Registered: 11/04/10
Posts: 4317
Loc: Gitche Gumee Wisconsin
Originally Posted By: NE Wildlife

The numbers are good in pockets


Yes , in pockets .
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#6053891 - 11/13/17 10:17 PM Re: wi deer numbers [Re: bluejay]
AJE Offline
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Registered: 01/22/16
Posts: 2178
Loc: WI - Wisconsin
Deer drives around here are pretty much a thing of the past. There's still some small drives here & there, & some groups that drive large chunks of public land.
I assume you go to your county's CDAC meeting. That's perhaps the best way to provide input. Don't show up to the meeting blaming a Governor though.
A lot of people don't see many deer, & I'm pretty sure it's hurting license sales. As far as a mass boycott, no, I don't see that.
It seems like when we have a good winter & a possible rise in deer numbers, more doe tags get issued.
1 hard part about Wi deer hunting, besides wolves, is there's lots of small parcels, & if your neighbors have a 'brown is down' philosophy, that really frustrates a lot of people. Another thing is that hunters sit in heated shacks & don't kick the deer around like they used to. Also, there are pockets of excellent deer hunting & pockets of lousy hunting, making it hard to manage Wi's herd, even within a small management unit. Also, some people don't follow baiting laws & they pull deer away from honest neighbors.
I see you are in Sauk Co, which is perhaps the top CWD infested county in the state. My guess is DNR has tried to cull the herd due to CWD concerns.


Edited by AJE (11/13/17 11:24 PM)
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#6053892 - 11/13/17 10:19 PM Re: wi deer numbers [Re: bluejay]
RiversNorth13 Offline
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Registered: 11/04/10
Posts: 4317
Loc: Gitche Gumee Wisconsin
Originally Posted By: bluejay
our deer herd has been decimated due to the public land. this park is 560 acres


How can the herd be decimated by public land ?

Who would hunt a 560 acre park in gun season , with 600,000 hunters in the state ?

Your park must look like this during the archery hunt !
Would hate to see it when it's orange , or pink camouflage as you can wear it now .




There's about 6 million acres of public land in Wisconsin, get away for that 560 acre amusement park .

This year will probably be one of the best for bucks shot in archery season for a long time .
Many areas struggle, gun hunters that don't hunt much will still pay the $24 to drink beer in camp for 9 days no matter what .
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#6053893 - 11/13/17 10:22 PM Re: wi deer numbers [Re: bluejay]
WI Farmer Offline
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Registered: 10/03/17
Posts: 1
Loc: Wisconsin
I am new to the forum. I am in southeast Richland county. I hunt my own farm and have seen the numbers going up the last few years. But that wasnít until some friends with the fill them all mind set quit hunting here. They had bought into the cwd kill them all of movement a few years ago.

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#6053900 - 11/13/17 10:28 PM Re: wi deer numbers [Re: bluejay]
Moosetrot Offline
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Registered: 01/12/07
Posts: 1976
Loc: Wisconsin
I think a big change occurred sometime in the 90's when the trespass laws were tightened up. This radically decreased the amount of land "available" to individual and groups of hunters. In my situation, we could no longer wander the entire valley in which my brother owned 90 acres, among other landowners. Some of the smaller plots would not and could not be hunted anymore, and believe me, they held deer.

In no way am I criticizing landowner rights or anything like that. Just relating my observation of why it seems the deer are in pockets or otherwise not moving like they used to during the gun season.

Moosetrot

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#6053902 - 11/13/17 10:30 PM Re: wi deer numbers [Re: bluejay]
RiversNorth13 Offline
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Registered: 11/04/10
Posts: 4317
Loc: Gitche Gumee Wisconsin
600,000 hunters will be hunting in Wisconsin next Saturday .

1/3 will hunt one way , 1/3 will hunt another and 1/3 won't see the brush .

Not sure what 1/3 I'll be in yet ,
If I had a wolf tag I would be in the brush for sure .

All I know is , of gun season is like the archery season, there will be so unbelievable bucks shot .


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#6053964 - 11/14/17 03:39 AM Re: wi deer numbers [Re: bluejay]
Tweed Offline
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Registered: 12/31/16
Posts: 1709
Loc: Milwaukee, Wisconsin
I hunt small parcels of public land and see plenty of deer. I probably see more deer on public than private unless that private is highly managed with plots, cover and water.


Edited by Tweed (11/14/17 03:41 AM)

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#6054007 - 11/14/17 05:21 AM Re: wi deer numbers [Re: bluejay]
Alex the dog Offline
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Registered: 12/12/12
Posts: 517
Loc: Valders, WI
I hunted one week on public land in Florence County, saw more deer than the last 3 years combined and harvested a doe in a funnel area with no bait. Definitely believe numbers are up after no anterless tags the last couple of years.

At home in Manitowoc County on private land numbers are up as well. Local CDAC has recommended a decrease which I support. Will be trying to fill anterless tags with bow or gun.

I think the land you hunt and donít hunt plays a big part in deer survival and population numbers.

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#6054019 - 11/14/17 05:38 AM Re: wi deer numbers [Re: bluejay]
Green Bay Offline
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Registered: 12/22/10
Posts: 463
Loc: Wisconsin
I would say numbers are up especially in Farmland zones. Drives don't happen by us any more for the last 10 - 20 years. Everyone is afraid of bumping a huge buck into the neighbors property. That said, I know a large group that starts driving deer the minute season opens and don't let up for 9 days.

Some serious bow hunters I know turn there 300 acres into a refuge during gun season and then pursue them again in the later bow hunt.

All depends on where you go.

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#6054068 - 11/14/17 07:05 AM Re: wi deer numbers [Re: Green Bay]
Muskrat Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 3174
Loc: Southwestern Wisconsin
December Fur-Fish-Game showed up in the mailbox yesterday. Best article on two-man deer drives I've seen in years describing how two hunters, and better yet three, can successfully "drive" and score deer. The author's form of driving is one fella standing, and the other does what I call "still hunting" towards the stander. This might take a half hour to cover a hundred yards when done properly, that sort of pace. Not that the drive is a hundred yards long, but I like 'em about 2-300 yards long.

Still hunting allows one to sneak along a trail and possibly see the deer before the deer sees you. If a deer does get up and looks your way, by only taking a step or two at a time, you're already in frozen mode and the deer sees nothing moving. Often the deer will move a little and look back again. That's where your shot comes. With a stander down the trail aways, a buck busted by a still hunter often does not run at top speed away. Many times they will just slide out of their bed and ease on down the trail. That's when the stander scores. The key is s-l-o-w.

Deer drives when I was a kid up near Jump River was a skirmish line of hunters whoopin' and hollerin' and pushing deer to about the same number of standers. Walking was at a standard pace. With low deer numbers back in the 60s it did help fill tags. There aren't too many of these types left that I've seen in the last 20 years or so. Most of the older fellas can't do it anymore or are gone, and the younger fellas, well, walking through the swamp with hip boots on just isn't their cup of tea. So the deer sit tight 'til dark.

In the river bottoms with "funnels, fingers and necks", it's possible for two hunters to effectively "drive" an area and have a good chance of shooting deer, providing there are deer there in the first place. Good article, especially the part about two drivers and one stander.

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#6054075 - 11/14/17 07:22 AM Re: wi deer numbers [Re: bluejay]
ToTheWoods Offline
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Registered: 12/29/13
Posts: 408
Loc: St. Croix County, Wisconsin
We never saw a decrease in numbers around the house. Deer everywhere. I NW where I gun hunt the numbers went in the tank for a few years. Good scouting and adaptability we have still been on the deer and been successful.

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#6054082 - 11/14/17 07:31 AM Re: wi deer numbers [Re: bluejay]
Dirk Offline
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Registered: 10/06/08
Posts: 154
Loc: Wisconsin
Originally Posted By: bluejay
i dont know where you are located dirk but if you have deer left near public land you are the exception not the rule


I grouse hunt on many tracts of public land in western Wisconsin and have flushed more 8 and 10 pointers than grouse this year. Lots of does also

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#6054104 - 11/14/17 07:48 AM Re: wi deer numbers [Re: bluejay]
keystone Offline
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Registered: 01/25/11
Posts: 2325
Loc: laporte co. indiana
If your not seeing many deer in Wesconsins, head on over to Easconsins!!! Good ole Donnie Baker!!!

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