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#6075721 - 12/05/17 07:44 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
Saskayote Offline
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Registered: 11/21/13
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Again, if you use a .22 lr, be reasonable, and keep shots short. It works fine under reasonable conditions... I have never lost one yet...

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#6075783 - 12/05/17 08:21 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: Ridge Runner1960]
bucksnbears Offline
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Originally Posted By: Ridge Runner1960
what folks don't realize is a faster twist turns a rifle into a totally different animal, an 8 twist 223 does less fur damage and will have less exit holes than a 12 or a 10 twist simply because the bullet spins much faster, the spin aids in expansion, the 223 wyld is a good choice.
RR


But you didn't explain that shooting a fast twist barrel can make light/ thin jacketed bullets spin apart before even reaching the target wink

Also, a fast twist barrel shooting light ( for) caliber can result in a horrible " splash" effect!
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#6075789 - 12/05/17 08:24 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: MJM]
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I have skinned 100's of shotgunned coyotes and they are not hurt.
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Hope not Mark, iffn your skinning, they should be DEAD laugh
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#6076157 - 12/06/17 07:54 AM Re: predator calling gun [Re: MJM]
Boone Liane Offline
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Originally Posted By: MJM
I would carry a 12 ga, any day of the week before I took a 22LR. I have skinned 100's of shotgunned coyotes and they are not hurt. I 22LR is not a coyote calling gun. You will loose way more than you recover.


+1.

And if you've done your homework and knownthe right choke/load combo can consistently anchor coyotes past 50 yards.

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#6076178 - 12/06/17 08:16 AM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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For those that use shotguns what type and load do you prefer

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#6076217 - 12/06/17 08:39 AM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
bucksnbears Offline
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Coyotes, # 4 buck.
Fox, lead BBs
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#6076219 - 12/06/17 08:40 AM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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Coyotes, # 4 buck.
Fox, lead BBs
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#6076224 - 12/06/17 08:43 AM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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Registered: 12/19/14
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Adam I always liked copper plated BBís but canít find them any more. Iíve been using 00 buck and number 4 buck shot because thatís what I can get. It will reach out there but be prepared for a follow up shot past 40 yards. That being said I have killed them graveyard dead past fifty !

P.s. pattern your gun ! Mine does not shoot the big stuff well with a full choke .


Edited by Golf ball (12/06/17 08:45 AM)

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#6076315 - 12/06/17 11:12 AM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
Boone Liane Offline
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If you can find em (good luck) 3" copper plated buffered BB is BAD MEDICINE on coyotes.

4 buck works, easier to find than BB, but I like BB better.

I have no experience with these dead coyote loads of late. I haven't dhotgunned a coyote in years.

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#6076348 - 12/06/17 11:44 AM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
wildflights Offline
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Registered: 02/17/16
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Loc: Washington
Federal made a terrific coyote load with high density (tungsten) BBs and their flight control wad. It was called Heavyweight Coyote. 1-1/2 ozs of HW15 shot going 1,350 fps. Produced an honest 60 yard coyote for me. Nothing but a boom and a flop.

https://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/...shells?a=719087


Edited by wildflights (12/06/17 11:48 AM)

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#6076597 - 12/06/17 05:12 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
adam m Offline
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Awesome thanks everyone I appreciate it.
I know Hornady has 12 ga yote bb. I have seen them at sportsman's. I always wanted to try them but figured fur would be ruined.


Edited by adam m (12/06/17 05:16 PM)

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#6076643 - 12/06/17 05:50 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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I have not read this whole thread but if you reload, you can make a 223 do pretty much everything you want as a predator rifle. You can load it warm to reach out there to nail dogs that don't want to come close or you can tame it down, so it will not turn a fox inside out. But you can not make one and the same round do it all. I think that is what people are wanting it to do and then blame the chosen round as a whole. If for example you shoot a thin jacketed varmint bullet in a fast twist barrel and push it with a lot of powder, you can blow the thing up without hitting a darn thing as it can not stand the fast rpm its getting. A moderately fast FMJ on the other hand will not expand at all and you end up with a lost and injured animal.
You can load down a .223 to near WMR power or push it to close to the 22-250 performance with the right chamber and barrel. IMHO it is a pretty versatile round that is underestimated by a lot of folks. But you have to get away from factory ammo to unlock its true potential.
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#6076938 - 12/06/17 09:19 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
bucksnbears Offline
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Agree with most you said scuba.
Overall, a .223 with a good bullet will handle 90% of what we need.
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#6076957 - 12/06/17 09:39 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
Golf ball Offline
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Well heck Scuba I was planning to shoot factory ammo for my .223 simply because of availability. Would you recommend ANY factory ammo with coyote only in mind ?

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#6076960 - 12/06/17 09:41 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
adam m Offline
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Scuba you make me want to learn reloading.

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#6076973 - 12/06/17 09:50 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
bucksnbears Offline
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What scuba said is well said.
There IS NO magic round/ bullet. There are tradeoffs that need to be considered.
A fox ain't a bobcat and a bobcat ain't a coyote.
Overall, I hate plastic tipped bullet for saving fur!
Nosller Ballistic tips are the exception.
I
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#6077001 - 12/06/17 10:21 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
Golf ball Offline
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To be honest Iíve not killed many coyote yet with my .223 but the ones I have shot were at or just under a hundred yards . They were all killed with a little 45 gr. Remington jacketed hollow point. All were either straight on or broad side none of them twitched after the shot. Thatís at a hundred yards, I feel comfortable shooting that gun at 350 yards but I donít know what that little bullet is going to do at that range. Iím sure if their is no bone involved it will be fine, Iím just not sure thatís possible even broad side. So what about the Hornady 52 or 55 gr. v-max, is it capable of penetrating a rib at 300 plus yards ?
I gotta tell ya guys all these questions have me thinking I should leave the o/u at home and stick with my .243 , all these questions have already been answered with that gun, lol .

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#6077322 - 12/07/17 08:57 AM Re: predator calling gun [Re: Golf ball]
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Originally Posted By: Golf ball
Well heck Scuba I was planning to shoot factory ammo for my .223 simply because of availability. Would you recommend ANY factory ammo with coyote only in mind ?


I can't help you there. I only buy IMI ball ammo to get the brass and a friend of mine who like plinking gets them to punch holes in cans with them. So all I know in that respect is that Green tips will do a number on water jugs, soda cans and other trash that they hit.
After he is done fighting cans, I turn that brass into the rounds for every purpose i want to use them for. The 5.56 .....223 depending on how you load it will do P dogs to deer and everything in between.
Heck if one wanted to, here is an idea. A 40 grain pill over some trail boss powder for squirrel hunting without blowing them up.
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#6077332 - 12/07/17 09:06 AM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
Golf ball Offline
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I guess the more you shoot any rifle the better off your gonna be in the long run. I just never would have thought about using this o/u for a squirrel rifle, lol !

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#6077346 - 12/07/17 09:13 AM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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I live on a boat and have a limited amount of space. So a extensive armory is not and option. So I tend to get around that by using what I have to its full potential.
It looks like this ... one 10/22 .... just because everyone should have a 10/22 thats it no other reason for that rifle. One AR15 with a .223 and a 6.5 Grendel upper. One bolt gun in 6.5 Swede.
I could probably get rid of the Grendel but I like it. With those 3 calibers, there ain't much walking around that you can't show the way to the pan.
Thats the rifle side of things sorted anyway


Edited by Scuba1 (12/07/17 09:14 AM)
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