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#6072717 - 12/03/17 10:13 AM predator calling gun
adam m Offline
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What all do you use when calling predators?

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#6072719 - 12/03/17 10:16 AM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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You're gonna get a lot of opinions.

A .223 AR is probably the most popular

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#6072724 - 12/03/17 10:29 AM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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.243
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#6072729 - 12/03/17 10:32 AM Re: predator calling gun [Re: madcotrappwr]
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220 Swift

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#6072734 - 12/03/17 10:38 AM Re: predator calling gun [Re: madcotrappwr]
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Originally Posted By: madcotrappwr
.243



This with 55 grain bullets, plenty of gun but I'm rather good at long shots and do well when I have to stretch out for educated customers.
For shorter range, but more than 12 gauge range, Bucks... Has me searching for a .17 Winchester super mag. I like the ballistics and bullet size out to 250, but the rifles I have checked so far I felt the actions were too crude so to speak. When I find a good smooth one ( hopefully soon ) it will be in my arsenal.
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#6072743 - 12/03/17 10:52 AM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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22-250 in a 788 Remington. Paid $119 for it new with a scope.... many many moons ago. Scope has been replaced long ago. But the gun is still a tack driver. All taped up with camo...... oh, the stories it could tell!!!!


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#6072790 - 12/03/17 11:52 AM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
trapperlee Offline
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Registered: 07/29/07
Posts: 447
Loc: Minnesota
204, Tac 20. 17 fireball, 22-250, and 243 and just picked up a a 6.5 creed- my main one is my 204 or tac 20 though

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#6072793 - 12/03/17 11:55 AM Re: predator calling gun [Re: NebrCatMan]
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Originally Posted By: NebrCatMan
22-250 in a 788 Remington. Paid $119 for it new with a scope.... many many moons ago. Scope has been replaced long ago. But the gun is still a tack driver. All taped up with camo...... oh, the stories it could tell!!!!


I got that same gun in 222. Bought it at K-mart 40 years ago for 125. Had a 4 power tasco on it.

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#6072796 - 12/03/17 11:57 AM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
Bruce T Offline
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22-250
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#6072797 - 12/03/17 11:57 AM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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12 gauge / near
.223 / far
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#6072801 - 12/03/17 11:58 AM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
GreggJ Offline
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Loc: Sw pa
.22-250 for longer range, 12gauge for close shots.

(New member, first post!)

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#6072809 - 12/03/17 12:02 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: GreggJ]
AntiGov Offline
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Originally Posted By: GreggJ
.22-250 for longer range, 12gauge for close shots.

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#6072827 - 12/03/17 12:23 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
possumcatcher Offline
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Registered: 12/16/14
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Loc: SE Nebraska
22-250

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#6072850 - 12/03/17 12:56 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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Loc: eastern WV
fox's. 17 HMR or 22 mag, coyotes 20 tac, 223, 22-250, 6mm PPC, 6mm rem.
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#6072856 - 12/03/17 01:01 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: AntiGov]
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Originally Posted By: AntiGov
Originally Posted By: GreggJ
.22-250 for longer range, 12gauge for close shots.

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Welcome to the madness ......... grin

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#6072860 - 12/03/17 01:10 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
trapre Offline
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Loc: state college, PA
223. Savage with FMJ's so we don't ruin the hide.
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#6072874 - 12/03/17 01:27 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
Sac Creek Offline
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Registered: 12/09/09
Posts: 924
Loc: Kansas
22-250

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#6072885 - 12/03/17 01:39 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: LeviSS]
coolbrze Offline
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Posts: 241
Loc: VA
Originally Posted By: LeviSS
You're gonna get a lot of opinions.

A .223 AR is probably the most popular


What he said. I run a suppressed AR in .223 but it does a lot of pelt damage & am thinking of going to a .204 Ruger although not sure how much better that will be. I like to run 2 shooters so I'll have one w/ a rifle & 1 w/ a shotgun, I like my Benelli M2 20 ga. w/ #4 buck

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#6072909 - 12/03/17 01:58 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
coyotekillr Offline
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Registered: 11/10/15
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Loc: Iowa, allamakee
22-250 with vortex 4-16 power....deadly

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#6072910 - 12/03/17 01:59 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
uplandpointer Offline
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Registered: 02/28/09
Posts: 149
Loc: East Central Mn.
12 gauge pump 3.5 inch ( using up a lot of old T and F loads)

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#6072922 - 12/03/17 02:10 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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Loc: new brunswick canada
223 for works every time. We got some big coyotes here

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#6072926 - 12/03/17 02:17 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: AntiGov]
adam m Offline
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Originally Posted By: AntiGov
Originally Posted By: GreggJ
.22-250 for longer range, 12gauge for close shots.

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Welcome to the madness ......... grin


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#6072927 - 12/03/17 02:19 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
adam m Offline
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I have never desired to use my shotgun as I want little damage as possible.

My brother runs a 17 wsm and it blows foxes away. I was considering a 22-250 but a bolt action 6.5 creedmoor is around the same price

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#6072934 - 12/03/17 02:46 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
Turd Furgeson Offline
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If you are wanting a dedicated predator rifle with little damage, donít get a creedmoor...if you are wanting something you could shoot coyotes and deer/antelope with the 243 is hard to beat. 22-250 is hard to beat for coyotes.

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#6072938 - 12/03/17 02:51 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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Usually a semi auto .223, if its really windy a .243
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#6072941 - 12/03/17 02:55 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
Saskayote Offline
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Loc: SK
I use a single shot .22 long rifle. It is just the way I hunt. I like a challenge. 50 yards or less, it is more than sufficient. I take more pride in getting up close than blasting away at long range. Not for everyone, but I sure enjoy it...

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#6072943 - 12/03/17 02:57 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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If I could only have 1 rifle for calling, it would be a 17 rem.
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#6072948 - 12/03/17 03:02 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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In a contest I like my 300 win mag. 150 grain bullets. Shoots flat and bucks the wind good. For fur I like my 22 250 or 22 hornet. Hornet for fox.
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#6072952 - 12/03/17 03:09 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
illinideer Offline
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I run a old rem 222 for night hunting with LED lights and for day stuff savage 22 -250
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#6072962 - 12/03/17 03:25 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
Marty Offline
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I use my Bushmaster ar-15 with a aimpoint 1x red dot.
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#6073029 - 12/03/17 04:20 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: bucksnbears]
MB Coonguy Offline
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Originally Posted By: bucksnbears
If I could only have 1 rifle for calling, it would be a 17 rem.


As far as I am concerned-we have the winner right here!! I have sewed up literally thousands of Foxes and coyotes-there is no better centerfires for shooting fur than 17 Rem.

Ya all the 22 centerfires are great for killing coyotes,but as far as all around best round for calling-this is the bomb!!

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#6073252 - 12/03/17 07:16 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
phutch30 Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
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Loc: SW MT
17 rem 25gr berger match with my 12ga w/3" #4 buck beside me

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#6073260 - 12/03/17 07:22 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
adam m Offline
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MB Coonguy, is that round the best/easiest hole to sew?

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#6073321 - 12/03/17 07:57 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: jbyrd63]
Yes sir Offline
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Registered: 01/25/17
Posts: 252
Loc: Marion Kansas
Originally Posted By: jbyrd63
Originally Posted By: NebrCatMan
22-250 in a 788 Remington. Paid $119 for it new with a scope.... many many moons ago. Scope has been replaced long ago. But the gun is still a tack driver. All taped up with camo...... oh, the stories it could tell!!!!


I got that same gun in 222. Bought it at K-mart 40 years ago for 125. Had a 4 power tasco on it.
I have 3 of them. 222,22-250 &243 love the Remington 788

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#6073344 - 12/03/17 08:14 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
Golf ball Offline
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Registered: 12/19/14
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Loc: E central Il

Iíve killed a ton of coyote with the Winchester in 243 on the right but the o/u on the left is a 12ga. / 223 , very handy and good out to 300 yards.

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#6073346 - 12/03/17 08:15 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
YamaCat Offline
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Registered: 03/08/09
Posts: 409
Loc: Arizona
Bolt action 22-250

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#6073353 - 12/03/17 08:18 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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Another vote for .222 Rem, it is good to 300 yds at least, and they DON't come out yet liquefy the boiler room....but so does my older .218 Bee, which is only 150 fps slower...so it is only good to 200 yds
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#6073364 - 12/03/17 08:28 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: traprjohn]
bucksnbears Offline
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Originally Posted By: traprjohn
Another vote for .222 Rem, it is good to 300 yds at least, and they DON't come out yet liquefy the boiler room....but so does my older .218 Bee, which is only 150 fps slower...so it is only good to 200 yds


.222 is is a fine cartridge but 300 yards is stretching it!
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#6073396 - 12/03/17 08:48 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
Golf ball Offline
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Registered: 12/19/14
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Loc: E central Il
I would have to agree with bucks. I shot a triple deuce for a lot of years and in my hands anyway 200 yards is just about the limit with my old 700. Good gun donít get me wrong, it just drops like a rock after 200 yards.

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#6073450 - 12/03/17 09:42 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
Furvor Offline
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17 Remington if you reload. Factory ammo marginal, hard to find, and expensive.

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#6073698 - 12/04/17 07:11 AM Re: predator calling gun [Re: Furvor]
YamaCat Offline
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Registered: 03/08/09
Posts: 409
Loc: Arizona
Originally Posted By: Furvor
17 Remington if you reload. Factory ammo marginal, hard to find, and expensive.


I also use the 17 rem, just not at night. What is your go to load ? I was actually going to try and copy the factory load.

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#6073705 - 12/04/17 07:18 AM Re: predator calling gun [Re: YamaCat]
LeviSS Offline
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Registered: 12/12/12
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Loc: Central IL
Originally Posted By: YamaCat
Originally Posted By: Furvor
17 Remington if you reload. Factory ammo marginal, hard to find, and expensive.


I also use the 17 rem, just not at night. What is your go to load ? I was actually going to try and copy the factory load.


Why not at night? Is tracking involved?

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#6073707 - 12/04/17 07:20 AM Re: predator calling gun [Re: coolbrze]
LeviSS Offline
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Registered: 12/12/12
Posts: 196
Loc: Central IL
Originally Posted By: coolbrze
Originally Posted By: LeviSS
You're gonna get a lot of opinions.

A .223 AR is probably the most popular


What he said. I run a suppressed AR in .223 but it does a lot of pelt damage & am thinking of going to a .204 Ruger although not sure how much better that will be. I like to run 2 shooters so I'll have one w/ a rifle & 1 w/ a shotgun, I like my Benelli M2 20 ga. w/ #4 buck


Have you tried the 60gr V-Max? I rarely get an exit. Drops them like a hammer. 25gr Varget. 16" barrel.

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#6073783 - 12/04/17 08:27 AM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
YamaCat Offline
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Registered: 03/08/09
Posts: 409
Loc: Arizona
A lot of my ďnight huntingĒ was in another State and usually in a contest. So I guess the answer would be , for Time control. Iíve hit them before where they were dead, but they didnít realize it for 50 to 100 yards.

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#6073790 - 12/04/17 08:33 AM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
The Bag Offline
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Registered: 11/16/17
Posts: 4
Loc: Colorado, USA
I have an old Savage 24 (D?). .22 mag, 20 gauge over/under. There's not a lot of small game I don't think it could take. Heck, I'd even bet a slug in the tube would do a good chunk of big game. Sort of a jack-of-all trades gun, but I'm not sure how available they are. Also, the trigger sucks, and there's nothing you can do about it. eek

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#6074191 - 12/04/17 03:42 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
adam m Offline
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Registered: 02/11/14
Posts: 12566
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Thanks lots of good info. Keep them coming. I'm looming into getting a gun just for predators and small game other than my 22lr. The 17 remington ammo is expensive and harder to find.

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#6074195 - 12/04/17 03:53 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
LeviSS Offline
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Registered: 12/12/12
Posts: 196
Loc: Central IL
I wouldn't go with an odd ball round unless you reload.

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#6074227 - 12/04/17 05:03 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
MB Coonguy Offline
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Registered: 01/08/10
Posts: 509
Loc: Manitoba Canada
Originally Posted By: adam m
MB Coonguy, is that round the best/easiest hole to sew?


no they blow up inside 99 % of the time-explosive kills with minimal sewing.

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#6074229 - 12/04/17 05:04 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: phutch30]
MB Coonguy Offline
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Registered: 01/08/10
Posts: 509
Loc: Manitoba Canada
Originally Posted By: phutch30
17 rem 25gr berger match with my 12ga w/3" #4 buck beside me


best combo for calling ever

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#6074272 - 12/04/17 05:34 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
adam m Offline
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Registered: 02/11/14
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Loc: nm
Awesome

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#6074289 - 12/04/17 05:43 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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Posts: 236
Loc: Ohio
Presently, I use a .22 magnum and a .243 both of which are very effective in different settings. Iím looking for a very effective rifle for in between that will cover all settings out to 200 yards which is plenty for my locations and style of hunting.

I do not and have no intention of reloading. I donít have the time or space. So that eliminates the .17 Remington centerfire.

Right now, the best candidate is the .17 Winchester Super Magnum in a Ruger 77/17 rifle. However, I am concerned about it being an ďoddballĒ cartridge so becoming obsolete or expensive to shoot. Also, I am concerned about its performance and clean quick kills.

So, I would like to hear about actual experiences with this cartridge. Can it be relied upon?

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#6074448 - 12/04/17 07:13 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: Willy Firewood]
adam m Offline
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Originally Posted By: Willy Firewood
Presently, I use a .22 magnum and a .243 both of which are very effective in different settings. Iím looking for a very effective rifle for in between that will cover all settings out to 200 yards which is plenty for my locations and style of hunting.

I do not and have no intention of reloading. I donít have the time or space. So that eliminates the .17 Remington centerfire.

Right now, the best candidate is the .17 Winchester Super Magnum in a Ruger 77/17 rifle. However, I am concerned about it being an ďoddballĒ cartridge so becoming obsolete or expensive to shoot. Also, I am concerned about its performance and clean quick kills.

So, I would like to hear about actual experiences with this cartridge. Can it be relied upon?

My brother recently bought one ammo can be expensive around $15+- a box. Right now cabelas has them for $10. I'm always looking for deals for him.
He showed me a pic of the kit fox he shot, a massive hole behind shoulder.

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#6074475 - 12/04/17 07:26 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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Fox, .17 Rem hands down.

Coyotes, something that can throw a 50-55 grain pill with authority. I'm partial to the .22-250.

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#6074521 - 12/04/17 07:51 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
Golf ball Offline
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Registered: 12/19/14
Posts: 776
Loc: E central Il
I would not consider any .17 a coyote rifle beyond 75 yards. Flat shooting yes ! Not big enough for anything but a head shot at about 75 or so yards, much past that and you may not penetrate the skull.

Before yíall go busting my chops I gotta tell ya , I went to go buy one. They had one on the shelf that I intended to buy and the guy talked me out of it as soon as he found out that I was going to use it for coyote. He claimed to have sold a bunch of them to coyote hunters and they were all disappointed. They claimed most coyote not shot in the head ran off after the hit and not all were recovered.

Not saying Iíll never own one but not for coyote, they demand a bigger ball !

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#6074536 - 12/04/17 07:59 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
LeviSS Offline
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Loc: Central IL
First of all, never trust a gun counter salesman. I've heard the craziest things at gun counters.

Was he talking about 17hmr...a rimfire round?

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#6074589 - 12/04/17 08:21 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: Golf ball]
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Originally Posted By: Golf ball
I would not consider any .17 a coyote rifle beyond 75 yards. Flat shooting yes ! Not big enough for anything but a head shot at about 75 or so yards, much past that and you may not penetrate the skull.

Before yíall go busting my chops I gotta tell ya , I went to go buy one. They had one on the shelf that I intended to buy and the guy talked me out of it as soon as he found out that I was going to use it for coyote. He claimed to have sold a bunch of them to coyote hunters and they were all disappointed. They claimed most coyote not shot in the head ran off after the hit and not all were recovered.

Not saying Iíll never own one but not for coyote, they demand a bigger ball !


Go back and punch that " salesman" in the face!!

I've had 2 17-204's built and without a doute, they kill coyotes with ( authority) that would amaze even the most seasoned coyote killers!!
My 22-250's and .243,s get lonely sitting home.

Hold on fur too 400 yards, seldom even need a stich, drops called in coyotes like a lightning bolt hits em, and can see it all through the scope.
Granted, this is a custom made cartridge and not for everyone but Don't underestimate the effectiveness of a .17 caliber. Alot of problems are made because people chose BULLETS not designed to handle saving fur.
Fox/ bobcats, coyotes ain't varmints.

Overall, a .17 rem is an outstanding round and way underrated. I reload so my bullet selection is way better than the typical prairie dog bullet you will find for factory made fodder.
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#6074592 - 12/04/17 08:21 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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I prefer the 22-250.

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#6074595 - 12/04/17 08:22 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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22 nosler, or 223 is your best bet. the 17 rimfire will kill coyotes if you hit them perfect every time, with the right bullet, and your very good at tracking, and your lucky. If all I have with me is a 17 and have an opportunity to shoot, I'll use it, but its not a coyote rifle. to have the best in a 17 centerfire for coyotes, you need to shoot 30 gr. bullets, so you need a faster than standard twist, that means a custom barrel and reloading. for what you need to do the 22 cf's would be best and a high expansion 55 or 60 gr bullet that won't exit with a solid hit.
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#6074631 - 12/04/17 08:42 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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Ridge Runner, whenever a topic of caliber/ cartridge comes up, I always wait for you chime in with your " opinion" laugh lol

Yeah, you're knowledgeable kinda/ sorta but sometimes it just best to pass on the subject wink
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#6074662 - 12/04/17 08:59 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
52Carl Offline
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Predator calling gun?!
Which end do blow into?

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#6074665 - 12/04/17 09:01 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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243 90 grain or fmj

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#6074673 - 12/04/17 09:04 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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A 300 mag works for me, no tracking involved drop in their tracks and with a bad market your only out a few shells.. lol
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#6074702 - 12/04/17 09:20 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: bucksnbears]
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Originally Posted By: bucksnbears
Ridge Runner, whenever a topic of caliber/ cartridge comes up, I always wait for you chime in with your " opinion" laugh lol

Yeah, you're knowledgeable kinda/ sorta but sometimes it just best to pass on the subject wink

1) the guy said he has no plans to reload due to time/space
2) I may be kinda sorta knowledgeable but my reading comprehension is ok.
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BTW golf ball was obviously talking about the 17 rimfire, which I was also, if you don't know enough to know you "just don't know" its not my fault


Edited by Ridge Runner1960 (12/04/17 09:25 PM)

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#6074705 - 12/04/17 09:25 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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What I've used through the years: 22lr, 22 mag, 17 hmr, 17 rem, 204 ruger, 22 hornet, 221 fireball, 222 rem, 223 rem, 22-250, 257 roberts, 25-06, 6.5 creed, 12 & 20 gauge. Probably another 1 or 2 that slips my mind at the moment.
What I still use: 204 (mostly), 223 (occasionally). Every now & then the 22 mag or 22-250 for unique circumstances. 12 gauge with bb's in heavy cover. It's' what works for me in my area.

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#6074825 - 12/04/17 11:02 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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Well, very interesting discussion here - it looks wisest for me to ride out the year with what works for me already. I will continue to read ballistics tables and listen to opinions. When hunting, I need to produce results meaning dead coyotes. The .243 does that unquestionably. The new Wicked light setup with 3 LED colors is an incredible upgrade for this year.

I still would like to try the .17 Remington centerfire, but not getting into reloading precludes that. The .17 Winchester Super Magnum is incredibly tempting. Maybe Remington could top that with a .17 Remington Ultra Magnum Rimfire?

Best wishes.

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#6074871 - 12/05/17 01:14 AM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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I will start by saying I dont do as much predator hunting as some of the guys here but most of the calling that I have done has been in close quarter areas, and mainly for bobcat and fox with shots usually always under 100 yards. For those situations I prefer using my 22 hornet but if I am feeling nostalgic I will drag out my old marlin lever action in 219 zipper. When I go a little farther west and hunt the flatlands I carry my ruger m77 target 223 with 26" barrel.

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#6075043 - 12/05/17 08:21 AM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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Last night I was researching the effective range of 22lr as that's what I'll be using for now, and there is so many different opinions. Some say 100-150 , 75, 100-200 & then there's those 300-500 yards. Saw a video of some guys at 200 shooting through 1/2" pine another guy shooting 300 yds and it goes through 8 layers of denim and a roast.

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#6075070 - 12/05/17 08:52 AM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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Originally Posted By: adam m
Last night I was researching the effective range of 22lr as that's what I'll be using for now, and there is so many different opinions. Some say 100-150 , 75, 100-200 & then there's those 300-500 yards. Saw a video of some guys at 200 shooting through 1/2" pine another guy shooting 300 yds and it goes through 8 layers of denim and a roast.


I suggest you keep it under 50.

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#6075074 - 12/05/17 08:58 AM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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Did anyone here suggest .22lr? Don't do it. That's the last round I'd use.

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#6075144 - 12/05/17 10:28 AM Re: predator calling gun [Re: LeviSS]
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Originally Posted By: LeviSS
Did anyone here suggest .22lr? Don't do it. That's the last round I'd use.


I didn't suggest it, but it is what I use. And it IS fine, contrary to the naysayers, if you keep shots under 50 yards. Some of us hunt differently, we strive to get close. If we are not close, we do not shoot. As one gets more seasoned in hunting, one often makes more of the fact that it is not about the killing, but about the challenge. Like bow hunting.

Works for me. May not work for all.

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#6075187 - 12/05/17 11:20 AM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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I wasn't wanting to go for a long shot with the 22lr maybe 125-150 max with cci stinger.

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#6075200 - 12/05/17 11:34 AM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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Originally Posted By: adam m
I wasn't wanting to go for a long shot with the 22lr maybe 125-150 max with cci stinger.


I can't say about coyote but with a 22lr on a wood chuck you need to keep it to head shots at 75-100 yards or they get back to the hole even with stingers.

the thing is if your sighted at 50 yards , by 150 you will have dropped off the coyote , so you would need to know distance to about 10 yards and where to old over for all of them

a typical 22lr 1200fps drops 6 inches between 77 and 100 meters or 85 and 109 yards

a stinger is lighter and 200 fps faster so you might get a bit more range before seeing the same drop but not much more maybe 25 yards
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#6075225 - 12/05/17 12:05 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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Thank you Ridge Runner !

Yes I was talking about the .17 rimfire. The OP said no reloading and no oddball cartridges, pretty much eliminates everything else.

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#6075247 - 12/05/17 12:29 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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Originally Posted By: adam m
Last night I was researching the effective range of 22lr as that's what I'll be using for now, and there is so many different opinions. Some say 100-150 , 75, 100-200 & then there's those 300-500 yards. Saw a video of some guys at 200 shooting through 1/2" pine another guy shooting 300 yds and it goes through 8 layers of denim and a roast.


If you're going to be sticking with a 22LR, consider the CCI Velocitors. I'm a big fan of Stingers, so don't get me wrong, but the Velocitor offers a bit more punch. At 100 yards, it's going as fast or faster than a Stinger, and it has over 20% more energy at 100 yards. Even so, I'd recommend keeping shots within reason, and that probably means 75 yards or less. I mean we're talking about a 22 LR.

I wouldn't expect to recover many coyotes shot with a 22LR beyond 75 yards, unless you're an incredible shot and can put the bullet in their ear consistently. My opinion at least, and you know what they say about opinions...


I've only shot one coyote with a 22LR. It spun in circles chasing it's tail for a couple seconds, and then it hauled tail into the sunset. I know that means nothing really, but it's my only experience with it.


Lots of good suggestions on this thread so far. I have always wanted a 243, but I haven't broken down and bought one yet. I think it would offer a bit more bite than my 223s.

Good Luck
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#6075372 - 12/05/17 02:03 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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Aix I have to admit I came to own my .243 by accident but if I lost it today I would be shopping for another mod. 70 with a bull barrel tomorrow! Itís a very versatile gun for a reloader, from 55 up to I think 110 gr. bullets. I settled on 65 gr. v-max for coyote and Iíve yet to have an exit hole !

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#6075377 - 12/05/17 02:09 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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Good to know thanks Aix.
The reason for my inquiry is it looks like calling might be my best bet to get fur (yotes, fox, cat). As I would have to drive 45+minutes each way to get to my line where I can drive up to each set and seeing how my health is unpredictable there's days I can't function, ijust don't see that happening. The only other way is make a camp somewhere and stay 1-2 weeks set all traps and be done. All my traps are ready to set.

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#6075405 - 12/05/17 02:40 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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I have a .223 I built from an 80% receiver and Palmetto State .223 wylde upper that I'm looking forward to using this winter.

I've killed coyote with a 22 mag and a .17 Winchester Super Magnum (not to be confused with a .17 Rem or a .17 HMR).

The 22 mag is a Marlin 922M wood stocked semi-auto topped with an old Leupold and it is just a fun gun to shoot.

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#6075512 - 12/05/17 04:45 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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what folks don't realize is a faster twist turns a rifle into a totally different animal, an 8 twist 223 does less fur damage and will have less exit holes than a 12 or a 10 twist simply because the bullet spins much faster, the spin aids in expansion, the 223 wyld is a good choice.
RR


Edited by Ridge Runner1960 (12/05/17 04:48 PM)

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#6075615 - 12/05/17 06:01 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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I have been using 223 for wolves, and caribou. I build myself an ar 204 ruger upper for my ar 15. love it! It works pretty good on the fur, small hole going in, rarely exits. i use 45 grain soft points.

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#6075696 - 12/05/17 07:19 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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I would carry a 12 ga, any day of the week before I took a 22LR. I have skinned 100's of shotgunned coyotes and they are not hurt. I 22LR is not a coyote calling gun. You will loose way more than you recover.
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#6075721 - 12/05/17 07:44 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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Again, if you use a .22 lr, be reasonable, and keep shots short. It works fine under reasonable conditions... I have never lost one yet...

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#6075783 - 12/05/17 08:21 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: Ridge Runner1960]
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Originally Posted By: Ridge Runner1960
what folks don't realize is a faster twist turns a rifle into a totally different animal, an 8 twist 223 does less fur damage and will have less exit holes than a 12 or a 10 twist simply because the bullet spins much faster, the spin aids in expansion, the 223 wyld is a good choice.
RR


But you didn't explain that shooting a fast twist barrel can make light/ thin jacketed bullets spin apart before even reaching the target wink

Also, a fast twist barrel shooting light ( for) caliber can result in a horrible " splash" effect!
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#6075789 - 12/05/17 08:24 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: MJM]
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I have skinned 100's of shotgunned coyotes and they are not hurt.
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Hope not Mark, iffn your skinning, they should be DEAD laugh
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#6076157 - 12/06/17 07:54 AM Re: predator calling gun [Re: MJM]
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Originally Posted By: MJM
I would carry a 12 ga, any day of the week before I took a 22LR. I have skinned 100's of shotgunned coyotes and they are not hurt. I 22LR is not a coyote calling gun. You will loose way more than you recover.


+1.

And if you've done your homework and knownthe right choke/load combo can consistently anchor coyotes past 50 yards.

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#6076178 - 12/06/17 08:16 AM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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For those that use shotguns what type and load do you prefer

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#6076217 - 12/06/17 08:39 AM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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Coyotes, # 4 buck.
Fox, lead BBs
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#6076219 - 12/06/17 08:40 AM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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Coyotes, # 4 buck.
Fox, lead BBs
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#6076224 - 12/06/17 08:43 AM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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Adam I always liked copper plated BBís but canít find them any more. Iíve been using 00 buck and number 4 buck shot because thatís what I can get. It will reach out there but be prepared for a follow up shot past 40 yards. That being said I have killed them graveyard dead past fifty !

P.s. pattern your gun ! Mine does not shoot the big stuff well with a full choke .


Edited by Golf ball (12/06/17 08:45 AM)

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#6076315 - 12/06/17 11:12 AM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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If you can find em (good luck) 3" copper plated buffered BB is BAD MEDICINE on coyotes.

4 buck works, easier to find than BB, but I like BB better.

I have no experience with these dead coyote loads of late. I haven't dhotgunned a coyote in years.

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#6076348 - 12/06/17 11:44 AM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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Federal made a terrific coyote load with high density (tungsten) BBs and their flight control wad. It was called Heavyweight Coyote. 1-1/2 ozs of HW15 shot going 1,350 fps. Produced an honest 60 yard coyote for me. Nothing but a boom and a flop.

https://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/...shells?a=719087


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#6076597 - 12/06/17 05:12 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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Awesome thanks everyone I appreciate it.
I know Hornady has 12 ga yote bb. I have seen them at sportsman's. I always wanted to try them but figured fur would be ruined.


Edited by adam m (12/06/17 05:16 PM)

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#6076643 - 12/06/17 05:50 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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I have not read this whole thread but if you reload, you can make a 223 do pretty much everything you want as a predator rifle. You can load it warm to reach out there to nail dogs that don't want to come close or you can tame it down, so it will not turn a fox inside out. But you can not make one and the same round do it all. I think that is what people are wanting it to do and then blame the chosen round as a whole. If for example you shoot a thin jacketed varmint bullet in a fast twist barrel and push it with a lot of powder, you can blow the thing up without hitting a darn thing as it can not stand the fast rpm its getting. A moderately fast FMJ on the other hand will not expand at all and you end up with a lost and injured animal.
You can load down a .223 to near WMR power or push it to close to the 22-250 performance with the right chamber and barrel. IMHO it is a pretty versatile round that is underestimated by a lot of folks. But you have to get away from factory ammo to unlock its true potential.
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#6076938 - 12/06/17 09:19 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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Agree with most you said scuba.
Overall, a .223 with a good bullet will handle 90% of what we need.
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#6076957 - 12/06/17 09:39 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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Well heck Scuba I was planning to shoot factory ammo for my .223 simply because of availability. Would you recommend ANY factory ammo with coyote only in mind ?

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#6076960 - 12/06/17 09:41 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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Scuba you make me want to learn reloading.

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#6076973 - 12/06/17 09:50 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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What scuba said is well said.
There IS NO magic round/ bullet. There are tradeoffs that need to be considered.
A fox ain't a bobcat and a bobcat ain't a coyote.
Overall, I hate plastic tipped bullet for saving fur!
Nosller Ballistic tips are the exception.
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#6077001 - 12/06/17 10:21 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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To be honest Iíve not killed many coyote yet with my .223 but the ones I have shot were at or just under a hundred yards . They were all killed with a little 45 gr. Remington jacketed hollow point. All were either straight on or broad side none of them twitched after the shot. Thatís at a hundred yards, I feel comfortable shooting that gun at 350 yards but I donít know what that little bullet is going to do at that range. Iím sure if their is no bone involved it will be fine, Iím just not sure thatís possible even broad side. So what about the Hornady 52 or 55 gr. v-max, is it capable of penetrating a rib at 300 plus yards ?
I gotta tell ya guys all these questions have me thinking I should leave the o/u at home and stick with my .243 , all these questions have already been answered with that gun, lol .

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#6077322 - 12/07/17 08:57 AM Re: predator calling gun [Re: Golf ball]
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Well heck Scuba I was planning to shoot factory ammo for my .223 simply because of availability. Would you recommend ANY factory ammo with coyote only in mind ?


I can't help you there. I only buy IMI ball ammo to get the brass and a friend of mine who like plinking gets them to punch holes in cans with them. So all I know in that respect is that Green tips will do a number on water jugs, soda cans and other trash that they hit.
After he is done fighting cans, I turn that brass into the rounds for every purpose i want to use them for. The 5.56 .....223 depending on how you load it will do P dogs to deer and everything in between.
Heck if one wanted to, here is an idea. A 40 grain pill over some trail boss powder for squirrel hunting without blowing them up.
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#6077332 - 12/07/17 09:06 AM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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I guess the more you shoot any rifle the better off your gonna be in the long run. I just never would have thought about using this o/u for a squirrel rifle, lol !

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#6077346 - 12/07/17 09:13 AM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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I live on a boat and have a limited amount of space. So a extensive armory is not and option. So I tend to get around that by using what I have to its full potential.
It looks like this ... one 10/22 .... just because everyone should have a 10/22 thats it no other reason for that rifle. One AR15 with a .223 and a 6.5 Grendel upper. One bolt gun in 6.5 Swede.
I could probably get rid of the Grendel but I like it. With those 3 calibers, there ain't much walking around that you can't show the way to the pan.
Thats the rifle side of things sorted anyway


Edited by Scuba1 (12/07/17 09:14 AM)
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#6077540 - 12/07/17 12:14 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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I use a Savage 10FP in 223 for when I wont be doing much walking.
A CZ 527 American or my spot and stalk walking gun in 223.
I bring my 12 gauge for close shots with an eotech but it has yet been used.
I always bring my pistol for close in shots that don't allow much movement which has claimed 4 coyotes so far.
If the wind is super heave and I just want to hunt, I use my Savage 10 308 with military 175 M118LR just because she needs to go for walks.

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#6077679 - 12/07/17 02:34 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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The 6.5 Grendel is an awesome round, I built one for myself and taken moose with it, build one for my nephew. Shot caribou 300-800 yards away with peep sights. Very accurate round.

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#6077889 - 12/07/17 05:54 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: That Fool]
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The 6.5 Grendel is an awesome round, I built one for myself and taken moose with it, build one for my nephew. Shot caribou 300-800 yards away with peep sights. Very accurate round.


Yup thats why I keep it. Its tame to shoot, hits what ya point it at and I can use some of the same bullets I use for the Swede .....the 6.5x55 is like a Grendel on steroids
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#6077940 - 12/07/17 06:28 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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I was thinking of buying a 6.5 mauser sometime. I almost bought one last year, I got a 40 s&w instead.

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#6077959 - 12/07/17 06:40 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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#6079705 - 12/09/17 11:08 AM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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No way could I afford to buy T shot. I was just at cabelas 10 rounds of Heavi Shot T shot was $50. At those prices it would be better to reload

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#6080186 - 12/09/17 07:29 PM Re: predator calling gun [Re: adam m]
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