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#6075445 - 12/05/17 03:35 PM Patty Cake Patty Cake Baker Man...
J Staton Offline
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will SCOTUS decide in favor of the baker or the couple? Does the 1st Amendment hang in the balance?

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#6075514 - 12/05/17 04:45 PM Re: Patty Cake Patty Cake Baker Man... [Re: J Staton]
adam m Online   content
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Registered: 02/11/14
Posts: 12552
Loc: nm
I say it hangs in the balance. Being serviced isn't a right it's a privilege. The same sex couple should've put on their big girl/boy underwear and taken their business elsewhere. But nooooo they decided to through a tantrum like a 3 yr old who can't get the candy in the store.

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#6076057 - 12/06/17 05:51 AM Re: Patty Cake Patty Cake Baker Man... [Re: J Staton]
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Unless the Baker can prove that he is consistent in his faith by refusing to serve people wearing garments made of 2 different materials and the like then he should lose.
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#6076069 - 12/06/17 06:05 AM Re: Patty Cake Patty Cake Baker Man... [Re: HobbieTrapper]
J Staton Offline
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Originally Posted By: HobbieTrapper
Unless the Baker can prove that he is consistent in his faith by refusing to serve people wearing garments made of 2 different materials and the like then he should lose.
He had no problem selling them a cake he just wouldn't decorate it for a gay wedding because of his religious beliefs which are supposed to be protected by the first amendment. He also wouldn't decorate Halloween cakes,divorce celebration cakes,etc. due to his religious beliefs.

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#6076076 - 12/06/17 06:18 AM Re: Patty Cake Patty Cake Baker Man... [Re: J Staton]
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Amen, God bless him.
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#6076079 - 12/06/17 06:24 AM Re: Patty Cake Patty Cake Baker Man... [Re: J Staton]
HobbieTrapper Offline
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Originally Posted By: J Staton
Originally Posted By: HobbieTrapper
Unless the Baker can prove that he is consistent in his faith by refusing to serve people wearing garments made of 2 different materials and the like then he should lose.
He had no problem selling them a cake he just wouldn't decorate it for a gay wedding because of his religious beliefs which are supposed to be protected by the first amendment. He also wouldn't decorate Halloween cakes,divorce celebration cakes,etc. due to his religious beliefs.


That being the case I believe he may win. If there is no evidence of an exception decorating a cake that is against the Bible, the assumption being that's what governs his faith, he should win.


Edited by HobbieTrapper (12/06/17 06:28 AM)
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#6076131 - 12/06/17 07:32 AM Re: Patty Cake Patty Cake Baker Man... [Re: J Staton]
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It has nothing to do with faith, really. It is a question of if the government can force an artist to produce art on demand. Not sell art, make it. Of course the government should not have to force, but that is all government is. Force. Remember that.

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#6076142 - 12/06/17 07:40 AM Re: Patty Cake Patty Cake Baker Man... [Re: FlyinFinn]
J Staton Offline
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Originally Posted By: FlyinFinn
It has nothing to do with faith, really. It is a question of if the government can force an artist to produce art on demand. Not sell art, make it. Of course the government should not have to force, but that is all government is. Force. Remember that.
Yep. Kinda like being forced to buy healthcare.

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#6076151 - 12/06/17 07:47 AM Re: Patty Cake Patty Cake Baker Man... [Re: J Staton]
HobbieTrapper Offline
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Or being forced to hire Asians and atheists.
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#6076154 - 12/06/17 07:50 AM Re: Patty Cake Patty Cake Baker Man... [Re: J Staton]
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Registered: 12/25/06
Posts: 3081
Loc: SW Pa
The courts have no business deciding what someone wants to do with regards to if they want to sell to someone or not. That is a choice of the business to determine that decision. If someone doesn't like you or what you represent they should be able to make up their own minds if they want to do business with you or not.

I have turned several people down in my lifetime who applied for work with my businesses due to knowing things about them that could have turned out to be a bad decision for me in one way or another.

All were good decisions as I learned down the road. If you are a known thief, have had a history of bad work ethic or have drug or alcohol abuse in your background you aren't being considered for employment. If something is determined that would not be in your best interest or others in your employment you certainly have the right to refuse them I don't care what the court says.

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#6076186 - 12/06/17 08:20 AM Re: Patty Cake Patty Cake Baker Man... [Re: J Staton]
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Registered: 12/31/06
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Loc: Minnesota
Baker should win...courts should have no place here.


Edited by 330-Trapper (12/06/17 08:21 AM)
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#6076193 - 12/06/17 08:24 AM Re: Patty Cake Patty Cake Baker Man... [Re: HobbieTrapper]
jwill Offline
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[quote=HobbieTrapper]Unless the Baker can prove that he is consistent in his faith by refusing to serve people wearing garments made of 2 different materials and the like then he should lose. [/quote

HUH?
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#6076212 - 12/06/17 08:34 AM Re: Patty Cake Patty Cake Baker Man... [Re: J Staton]
danny clifton Offline
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I'm not sure how the supremes decided the owner of business no longer had the right to only do business with those they wanted too.
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#6076222 - 12/06/17 08:42 AM Re: Patty Cake Patty Cake Baker Man... [Re: J Staton]
RKG Offline
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Registered: 11/18/16
Posts: 162
Loc: PA
To bad we didn't have a free market economy in this country.....

If we did, the business owner would either A) lose all of his business because the market determined that his "values" were no longer saleable, B) lose some of his business from groups that chose to deal elsewhere, leaving the owner to re-evaluate his ability to maintain his business, C) see no change in his business as his clientele was the same as before, or D) gain business from the fact that the market responded favorably to his decision, reflecting the consensus of the market he serves.

Fortunately, we have a government that is active and intrusive, and makes sure that proletariat yields to the far superior intellect and will of the bourgeoisie

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#6076248 - 12/06/17 09:17 AM Re: Patty Cake Patty Cake Baker Man... [Re: jwill]
HobbieTrapper Offline
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Originally Posted By: jwill

[quote=HobbieTrapper]Unless the Baker can prove that he is consistent in his faith by refusing to serve people wearing garments made of 2 different materials and the like then he should lose. [/quote

HUH?


The Bible states we should not be wearing garments made of different materials.


Edited by HobbieTrapper (12/06/17 09:18 AM)
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#6076255 - 12/06/17 09:26 AM Re: Patty Cake Patty Cake Baker Man... [Re: J Staton]
Fisherman Offline
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The Bible is very clear about this. The Baker has every right to turn them away.

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#6076261 - 12/06/17 09:39 AM Re: Patty Cake Patty Cake Baker Man... [Re: HobbieTrapper]
jwill Offline
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Originally Posted By: HobbieTrapper
Originally Posted By: jwill

[quote=HobbieTrapper]Unless the Baker can prove that he is consistent in his faith by refusing to serve people wearing garments made of 2 different materials and the like then he should lose. [/quote

HUH?


The Bible states we should not be wearing garments made of different materials.


Maybe a little study on you're part would clear up what is consistent with the Christian faith. Old covenant versus new and all.
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#6076265 - 12/06/17 09:49 AM Re: Patty Cake Patty Cake Baker Man... [Re: J Staton]
trapre Online   embarrased
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Registered: 11/29/17
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Loc: state college, PA
I don't believe two members of the same sex should marry based on the Bible. Therefore if I was in the bakers place I would Not make a cake for them. I believe that we have a say in who we sell products to. So the baker should rightfully win the case.
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#6076279 - 12/06/17 10:06 AM Re: Patty Cake Patty Cake Baker Man... [Re: J Staton]
rick2527 Offline
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Registered: 06/17/08
Posts: 159
Loc: belknap county nh
It's all about the Colorado anti discrimination law
Taken from ACLU colorado

Colorado law prohibits discrimination in places of public accommodation based on marital status or actual or perceived sexual orientation. According to the Colorado Anti-Discrimination Act (“Act”), “sexual orientation” means heterosexuality, homosexuality (lesbian or gay), bisexuality, and transgender status. Transgender status means a gender identity or gender expression that differs from societal expectations based on gender assigned at birth.
Discriminatory practices can come in many forms, including: terms of service; denial of full and equal service; intimidation; access; conditions; privileges; advertising; and retaliation.
A place of public accommodation can include locations, such as, a: bakery, florist, restaurant, hotel or motel; retail store; public transportation; recreational facility or park; and library. The Act provides a very limited exemption for places of public accommodation that are “principally used for religious purposes.” This would include a church, synagogue, or mosque, but the exemption may not apply to the cafeteria connected to a church, or a gymnasium connected to a synagogue, if those places are generally open to the public.

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#6076281 - 12/06/17 10:10 AM Re: Patty Cake Patty Cake Baker Man... [Re: J Staton]
HobbieTrapper Offline
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Registered: 12/01/08
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Loc: Eastern Shore of Maryland
Originally Posted By: jwill
Originally Posted By: HobbieTrapper


The Bible states we should not be wearing garments made of different materials.


Maybe a little study on you're part would clear up what is consistent with the Christian faith. Old covenant versus new and all.


So we can throw away the Old Testament. Thanks I've been wanting to covet my neighbors (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) for years.
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