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#6076277 - 12/06/17 10:05 AM AR accuracy
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What grouping are you getting from your make and model and round either factory or favorite handload.

Just passing the time of day...LOL......PS....with varmits in mind that have a nice fur coat

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#6076283 - 12/06/17 10:12 AM Re: AR accuracy [Re: Cletis Richards]
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#6076298 - 12/06/17 10:30 AM Re: AR accuracy [Re: Cletis Richards]
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I don't know yet. I have a Rock River Arms with a Konus 1 1/2 x 6 X 44MM with a 30 mm tube and don't have it sighted in yet. 5.6x45 and I've had it for a year.
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#6076316 - 12/06/17 11:14 AM Re: AR accuracy [Re: Cletis Richards]
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Dang Cletis! You able to take that recoil? Lol

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#6076318 - 12/06/17 11:15 AM Re: AR accuracy [Re: Cletis Richards]
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I've been meaning to finally see how mine does. I put a 3 power scope on it. I have a 20" barrel with a 1:7 twist, so it looks like 77 gr ammo will do the best for it, or so I read.



I'll come back to this post once I'm able to finally do it.



What's average grouping for ARs? . Not target models, and not "one time group". I just mean average groups for average guns.... 1.5" at 100 yards?
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#6076335 - 12/06/17 11:34 AM Re: AR accuracy [Re: Cletis Richards]
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I have been loading 60 gr nosler ballistic tips with either benchmark or ar comp powder cci #41 primers and mix headstamp 223/556 brass. i get 1 moa or less from my 16" windham barrel 1-9 twist and with my 20" bushmaster predator with 1-8twist. to be honest my windham shoots a little better than my bushmaster even though the bushmaster has all the "upgrades" 2 stage trigger supposedly match grade barrel and all that. I also get good groups with sierra gameking bullets. The bulk hornday 55gr soft points shoot ok, maybe 1.5-2moa but they are cheap mass produced bullets with a low ballistic coefficient. they do expand well and have been great killing varmints, i wouldnt take them out past a few hundred yards though. For the money vs performance the nosler ballistic tips have been the best ive tested so far. I have loaded a few barnes 62gr ttx i think, blue tips, that have shot 1 moa or so. So that would be a good option for medium or larger game. Next on my list to try are the nosler partition 64gr suppose to be a bonded bullet for medium and large game. reasonably priced compared to the barnes stuff. I would load those with possibly deer hunting or defense rounds in mind. I havent tested a whole bunch of different bullets but have tried a few with alot of different powders. My newest toy, 300 blk pistol is very finnicky. I only load barnes 110gr black tips for it supersonic, as they are about the only thing that expands at low velocity from a short barrel. Subsonic the only thing that will expand so far is 194gr lehigh defense but man are they ridiculously expensive. All the 220 gr gamekings and 225gr hornady match bullets shoot accurate enough but they wont expand even a little at subsonic velocity. I use cci#41 primers gemtech brass and CFE BLK, win 296, or AA1680 for subsonic powders. They all work and function fine. Supposedly next year hornady is making a 190gr FTX bullet for the 300blk that expands at subsonic velocity, so maybe we will have a reasonably priced expanding subsonic bullet to load with, i cant wait to give them a try if the price is right.
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#6076347 - 12/06/17 11:43 AM Re: AR accuracy [Re: Cletis Richards]
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With a good bullet and a decent barrel if you reload specifically for that rifle 1" groups from a benchrest are easily attainable. The cheaper bulk bullets are 1.5-2" at best. You dont need a super expensive rifle to get this done either. Just a decent barrel. My bare bones model 16"windham has a more accurate barrel than my rather pricey 20" bushmaster predator carbine. But that 20" barrel will give you a good 200fps more with the same bullet. All my testing is done over a chrono. I have a hunch that the heavier sierra matchking bullets would shoot great from that bushmaster but i have yet to test that theory, as i dont really have a need to shoot matchking ammo from these rifles.
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#6076428 - 12/06/17 01:37 PM Re: AR accuracy [Re: Cletis Richards]
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Buy a good upper if your building one!
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#6076464 - 12/06/17 02:07 PM Re: AR accuracy [Re: Cletis Richards]
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I bought a rock river predator persuit upper to put on a lower I built. It likes Hornady super performance 53 grain factory loads. If I do my part, it will shoot 3 shot groups at 100 yards that a penny will cover. It shoots golf ball sized groups with m193 ammo. The 53 grain Hornady was “friendly” to a coyote shot behind the shoulders at 50 yards. I don’t recommend that bullet for a head shot on a fox at 90 yards.

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#6076527 - 12/06/17 03:50 PM Re: AR accuracy [Re: Cletis Richards]
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I built one from a 80% lower and bits from PSA for the upper with a 1 in 7 twist Wylde chambered 20 inch barrel. It shoots 1" with M193. and better then 1/2 inch with quite a few handholds I cooked up. The worst of those are Barnes ttsx 65 grain at 3/4 inch and the best are the 62 grain varmageddon at groups half that size. Powders I like for the 5.56 are CFE223, Ramshot TAK and Varget.
Sierra Game Kings over a healthy dose of CFE223 do really well to
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#6076545 - 12/06/17 04:17 PM Re: AR accuracy [Re: Cletis Richards]
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Best to build one from scratch, I bought a s&w m&p sport 2 and like it. It has a 1 in 9 twist so the 55 grain bullets work pretty good. I built a 204 ruger upper and put it on my lower. Free floating barrel and super accurate. Shot twigs off a willow 100 yards away. Depends on the bullet wight and caliber you are going to build. They have 17 remington, 17 wsm, 204 ruger, 20 tactical, 20 practical, 243 wssm, 6.5 grendel(built one and love it), 5.45x39, 7.62x39, 6.8 spc, 277 wolverine, 30 remington ar, 300 aac, 450 bushmaster, 458 socom, 50 beowolf and a few others that you will be able to find.

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#6076829 - 12/06/17 08:15 PM Re: AR accuracy [Re: Swamp Wolf]
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Originally Posted By: Swamp Wolf
Dang Cletis! You able to take that recoil? Lol

Hope your doing good.
You have to take baby steps first lol....I am doing great walking everyday....heart does not pound out of my chest, plus not out of breath on my three mile walks....matter of fact can't feel it hardly beat...sternum healing up is the draw back....lets me know when I pushed the limit....but they did half field dress me.....wish I would have had the surgery earlier like a year or two....and I am looking fwd to the future of fishing hunting and trapping plus being with my family......Glad I was given an extension

Thanks you for all of the prayers and concerns.

Cletis

PS two weekends ago shot 9 rooster pheashants with the old beat up like me 12 gauge 870 I bought in 1969 upon my return from Vietnam. I think the 556 will be like a cap gun lol
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#6076852 - 12/06/17 08:26 PM Re: AR accuracy [Re: Cletis Richards]
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Well if that 870 didn't knock you from under your hat, you may want to wear them ear plugs kinda loose so you know when the 556 goes off.
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#6076890 - 12/06/17 08:45 PM Re: AR accuracy [Re: Cletis Richards]
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just buy ultramax reman ammo, I have 5 223's shoot it in all of them, its scary accurate in the ones with good barrels, or reload with H335, or benchmark.
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#6076945 - 12/06/17 09:23 PM Re: AR accuracy [Re: Cletis Richards]
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my best group is 3 3/4" high by 2 3/8" wide at 400 yards I was at an Appleseed Known distance event this summer and qualified 3 time on my first day so I ran ammo tests while others were running qualification targets bulk 55gr Hornady soft point over 25.1gr H4895 in LC brass.

I get the bullets 1K for 85 dollars loaded in all I think IO have right about 20 cents in components into each round , it is a lot easier to shoot more when you have 6 dollars in a 30 round magazine and not 25 dollars

the gun is a K&M tactical heavy stainless steel 1:8 20 inch barrel upper with free float hand guard my local dealer had it and I think I gave 370 for it without BCG.

Vortex 3-9x50 cross-fireII

the lower is just an Anderson but it has a hardened polished trigger group and reduced power springs to clean up the trigger not exactly a Giesly but good enough

the gun and load consistently shoot just sub minute not necessarily the most accurate gun around but very consistent because it will do 10 round groups just under an inch like that all day unless I mess up.

here is the 400 yard group, the holes marked 1 , 2 , 3, were shot at 100 , 200 and 300 yards but are federal XM193 bulk pack. the gun does not like them as much as my hand load.
I also was under time limits on each group as I was shooting with people shooting timed qualifications at 200 and 300 I only had 55 and 65 seconds

but at 400 I had a rear bag and 4 minutes





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#6077306 - 12/07/17 08:46 AM Re: AR accuracy [Re: Cletis Richards]
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A lot of good info.....feel free to add to it.
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#6077329 - 12/07/17 09:03 AM Re: AR accuracy [Re: Cletis Richards]
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That is good shooting with a 3x9 at 400 yards Pete, put a 4-12 or 4.5-16 and those groups will go down by half or more guaranteed!

I built all of my current ARs, with the .223 Wylde barrel 1:7 twist any of the 62 grain and up factory loads perform very well for hunting situations and handloads will far excede the factory benchmarks. My AR10 has a 20inch match barrel and at 100 yards it puts mil-spec 147grn ball through the same hole (little ragged but thats the shooter), it was built for 1000yd matches though I will never shoot at one (no time), I can build a .243, 6.5 creedmoore, 7mm-08, and something else I think for the same receiver but Palmetto State Armory has gen2 AR10 lowers so cheap it doesn't hurt to buy more lowers and make complete rifles. Right now PSA has AR15 stripped lowers for 39.99, they may have touchy customer service but their parts and receivers are top notch imo.
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#6077354 - 12/07/17 09:24 AM Re: AR accuracy [Re: Cletis Richards]
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Mine are all over the spectrum, the old colt sp1shoots 1/2-3/4” at 100. One I built from ground zero with a bear valley barrel is 3-4” at 100 on a good day. Both 300 BO with radical firearms uppers shoot 1 1/2” groups. The aero 308 I built 2 years ago with a lilja barrel shoots bug hole groups at 100.
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#6077493 - 12/07/17 11:29 AM Re: AR accuracy [Re: Cletis Richards]
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I have 2 PSA uppers they work well

my other build this last year was a 300 blk-out I used a brownels complete upper with a 16 inch 1:8 nitride barrel with free float hand gaurd , I picked this up on one of those Christmas sales last year.

I am running that on Hornady 110gr v-max over 22.5gr of CFE-BLK and holding solidly at about inch to just under at 100 yards , and right about the same 1MOA at 200 yards

that I am only running a 2-7x32 scope on it makes a really handy gun for anything inside 200 yards light and easy to carry and shoots very well from a sling.

is this gun ever easy on brass , trim initially and have 2 loading with no trim necessary the brass just isn't stretching pressure is very low down around 30k psi

my son thinks shooting pumpkins with this is great as it sends pumpkin pieces flying about 25 feet in the air up and to the sides

I just picked up some 150gr round flat nose copper plated bullets they will run a bit slower but I am looking forward to seeing how they shoot and cutting my per round cost almost in half for some just for fun ammo.


Edited by GREENCOUNTYPETE (12/07/17 11:33 AM)
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#6077514 - 12/07/17 11:50 AM Re: AR accuracy [Re: Cletis Richards]
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My friend has a dpms with a 223 wylde barrel that does very well with winchester white box 45grain hp it prints right about 1/2 inch off the bench. With his handloads usually touching 50grain sierra 50 grain spitzer and w760 powder.
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