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#6076568 - 12/06/17 04:42 PM .243 reloaders
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I know a lot of guys reload, including me. Iíve reloaded for my .222 for years, no problems whatsoever. My first batch of .243 loads were once fired brass from different manufacturers. I downloaded several pages of reloading data from one guy that shoots the same rifle as mine . I picked two of his best loads that used the same powder ( Varget ) one with 58 gr. and one with 65 gr. ballistic tipped bullets. My rifle did not perform well with the 58 gr. but really liked the 65 gr. as it turned out my sons rifle did well with the 58ís.

In the following months we both shot our rifles and werenít at all disappointed. Once we had enough empties I proceeded to reload again taking the usual steps of removing primers tumbling and then resizing then reloading the spent brass. Up to this point everything was great , accuracy stayed the same as before but this time we both had a problem. The case necks were splitting all the way to the top of the shoulder on nearly every case.

Is this typical with .243 cases ? Is their some thing that I should be doing differently?

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#6076586 - 12/06/17 05:04 PM Re: .243 reloaders [Re: Golf ball]
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Did you neck or full size them?
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#6076598 - 12/06/17 05:12 PM Re: .243 reloaders [Re: Golf ball]
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.243's do seem to split more for me than any other. I know you can anneal them, but I never have.

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#6076653 - 12/06/17 05:57 PM Re: .243 reloaders [Re: Golf ball]
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I can only use the Remington brass for my 243. Lots of trouble with Winchester for some reason.

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#6076654 - 12/06/17 05:58 PM Re: .243 reloaders [Re: Golf ball]
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If you do not anneal them, you will be hard pushed to get more then 3 firings out of them at times. After all, it is a 308 case with a little hole in the front end.
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#6076695 - 12/06/17 06:20 PM Re: .243 reloaders [Re: Golf ball]
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buy lapua, or norma brass, pricey but worth it, and learn to anneal
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#6076728 - 12/06/17 06:50 PM Re: .243 reloaders [Re: Golf ball]
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I load for 243 I load the 105 grain but have loaded the 58 grain hp I usually de-prime and just neck size at the same time be careful to get all the neck and don't crimp the shoulder at all them tumble prime charge and seat bullet if that doesn't help drop back on charge of powder this is using remember brass you should get at least 7 loads with 3to 5 shot being the best groups the Norma brass is by far better for larger calibers but you shouldn't have any problem with rem brass on 243 until after 6 shots they may start splitting but just mid way on neck and also I trim my cases to length each load

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#6076819 - 12/06/17 08:06 PM Re: .243 reloaders [Re: Golf ball]
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Anneal your brass you can get a lot more reloads out of it ,223 rem I can reload 8 times before I anneal again of course I don't load to the limits either ,I anneal all my rifle brass it's easy to do.
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#6076851 - 12/06/17 08:26 PM Re: .243 reloaders [Re: wwc]
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Originally Posted By: wwc
Anneal your brass you can get a lot more reloads out of it ,223 rem I can reload 8 times before I anneal again of course I don't load to the limits either ,I anneal all my rifle brass it's easy to do.


can you tell us about your annealing process?

my 223 load is rather tame so I haven't annealed anything yet. I found a nice group just barley over book starting and left it right there
but I am thinking it is about time some of my 223 brass has several firings already.
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#6076892 - 12/06/17 08:47 PM Re: .243 reloaders [Re: Golf ball]
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I turned up a sleeve that fits into a drill and over the case to just below the shoulder. Using a butane torch, i hold the spinning case into the flame till the color just turns, then tip it out into a bucket of water. It takes only seconds per case.
Ideal temperature is around 660F. Best way to find out where you are at is to use one of those laser no contact thermometers. It takes a second person to do those first few cases. After that you can judge by the color of the case.
The water is not necessary for the annealing process, but it helps in two ways. 1: you don't ding up the mouth of the cases when you tip them out of the sleeve ( a long socket wrench works just as good ) and 2: you don't have hot cases all over the place that you can "anneal" your fingers on.
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#6076923 - 12/06/17 09:12 PM Re: .243 reloaders [Re: Ridge Runner1960]
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Originally Posted By: Ridge Runner1960
buy lapua, or norma brass, pricey but worth it, and learn to anneal
RR

X2 on those cases

Originally Posted By: Golf ball
Is this typical with .243 cases ? Is their some thing that I should be doing differently?

No that's not typical and you should get more resizings...I can get 4 or 5 with Rem, Winchester, or Hornady brass


Just a suggestion before you get into annealing...I would double and triple check everything such as ladder testing your loads, type and age of brass? condition of dies? expander rod/pin, case or neck lube? shoulder & trim length? etc

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#6076934 - 12/06/17 09:17 PM Re: .243 reloaders [Re: Golf ball]
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I bought a rechargeable screwdriver drill it has a straight handle on it and I put a socket on it that fits my brass and start turning and hold into a butane torch flame . Just like scuba said for temp and time after you do a few you can recognize when their done . You can also get a paint that will melt at a certain temp in which is what I started with ,never thought of a laser thermometer .after that I dunk in a water bath easy peasy and it really extends brass life . PS don't anneal in an oven like seen on the internet it softens the entire Cass and you don't want that!!!!. You only want the neck area done and it doesn't need a lot of heat to work.


Edited by wwc (12/06/17 09:19 PM)
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#6076942 - 12/06/17 09:21 PM Re: .243 reloaders [Re: Golf ball]
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Thanks guys I knew I could count on this bunch !

Alec one thing Iíve never had to do on my .222 is trim the length. I did not do it on my .243 brass but I have all the tools and will on this next batch.

Scuba I donít have your tools or knowledge to use them , you are basically chucking up the brass to give them a spin while applying the heat right ?

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#6076954 - 12/06/17 09:36 PM Re: .243 reloaders [Re: Golf ball]
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are you annealing after sizing and trimming or before size and trim ?





Edited by GREENCOUNTYPETE (12/06/17 09:48 PM)
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#6076958 - 12/06/17 09:40 PM Re: .243 reloaders [Re: Golf ball]
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my method........get a bottle of mapp gas for your torch, hold the case to the flame, tip of the flame just below the shoulder, spin it, when it gets too hot to hold it and starts to change color, throw it in a bucket......do not make it start to glow.
RR

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#6076981 - 12/06/17 09:56 PM Re: .243 reloaders [Re: Golf ball]
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And your quenching in plain old tap water right ?

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#6077011 - 12/06/17 10:32 PM Re: .243 reloaders [Re: Golf ball]
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Guess I will reiterate what others have said about annealing. The best way I have found is to find a deep well socket that leaves the neck, shoulder and about a half inch of the body (give or take) past the end of the socket. Attach it in some way so that you can spin it in a drill. You will also need a torch that is used to solder copper.

Get set up in an area that you eliminate all light. Set your torch up. Put your casing in the socket and put it at the end of the blue (closet to the torch) flame. Keep your drill spinning. Count how long it takes for the neck to start turning a light orange. Do a couple to get an average. Remember this is in the dark. Once you know how long it takes you can turn the lights on and dump them in a bucket of water. Do them all the same. You wont to anneal the neck, not the shoulder or the rest of the case. Just the neck. Check out varmint al's page http://www.varmintal.com/arelo.htm Scroll down to the annealing section.

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#6077019 - 12/06/17 10:41 PM Re: .243 reloaders [Re: Golf ball]
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Thank you very much Jerry, Ridge Runner, Scuba, Alec........ you have all been very helpful !

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#6077036 - 12/06/17 11:24 PM Re: .243 reloaders [Re: Golf ball]
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Great advise already. You got spoiled by the .222. It's kind of a reloaders dream round.

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#6077142 - 12/07/17 06:10 AM Re: .243 reloaders [Re: Golf ball]
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I have been Reloading for over 50 years...The 243 was one of my favorite rounds that I reloaded back in the day....When I would Anneal the Brass I would take a one pound Bread Pan and put enough Water in the pan where it would be Half way up the STANDING Cases then I would use a propane torch to just touch the Neck of the case before turning over in the Water.....IF the case neck Turns RED you heated to much will make the Brass to soft....This is the best & quickest way I have found to do it...Works for me...Might give it a try...Quick and easy.

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#6077283 - 12/07/17 08:29 AM Re: .243 reloaders [Re: Golf ball]
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Originally Posted By: Golf ball
And your quenching in plain old tap water right ?


The quenching is not necessary for the annealing process from a metallurgical standpoint. IE it does nothing for the brass unlike for steel. I just dump them in water so that I don't have hot cases everywhere and when I tip them out of the sleeve / socket, the case mouth does not get dinged up when it hits another case in just a box for example.
If you want, you can put them on a baking tray and let them cool of in the air. They stay dry that way. Makes no odds to the brass.
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#6077292 - 12/07/17 08:35 AM Re: .243 reloaders [Re: Golf ball]
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10 bands your a 100% on the reloaders dream. The only problem is you donít have to know anything. I bought a used press , powder drop, scale and book from my uncle when I was still in high school. He showed me a good load that he liked and it worked well in my 700 so Iíve never even tweeted it . When I started loading for the .243 I found out that I needed more knowledge, nothing wrong with that , it just caught me off guard.

Thanks again everyone !
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#6077336 - 12/07/17 09:09 AM Re: .243 reloaders [Re: Golf ball]
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Are you using the sizing die to deprime the cases before you tumble them? Then sizing them again after theyíre tumbled? If thatís the case, you working the brass twice each time you load it, cutting itís life span in half. Anealing will certainly help, but if I understand your process correctly, Your over working your brass and will still get shorter brass life. Good luck, the 222 and 243 are 2 of my favorite rounds.
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#6077371 - 12/07/17 09:41 AM Re: .243 reloaders [Re: Golf ball]
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I have reloaded for about 35 years sounds like you are resizing down to far. Adjust your dies.... I have never annealed but don't shoot as much as lots on here. You should get more than 2 reloads out of any brass before it cracks unless you are loading too hot or your press is closing down to far. Back off where it is needed.

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#6077380 - 12/07/17 09:51 AM Re: .243 reloaders [Re: Golf ball]
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Jbyrd are you talking about the neck being sized too far down or the whole case ?

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#6077426 - 12/07/17 10:40 AM Re: .243 reloaders [Re: Golf ball]
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Crossroads , no I do not resize twice. I run them through once while de- priming, then tumble and reload.

I will now be checking length, trimming if need be then annealing , then resizing and de- priming.

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#6077479 - 12/07/17 11:17 AM Re: .243 reloaders [Re: Golf ball]
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Originally Posted By: Golf ball
Jbyrd are you talking about the neck being sized too far down or the whole case ?

Does the splitting occur before or after the bullet is seated? If it is after you may need to adjust that die. . If it is after back your die out of press some. lock it in place. Then adjust your bullet depth.
One of you or both of your process is to deep.

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#6077481 - 12/07/17 11:18 AM Re: .243 reloaders [Re: Golf ball]
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Could be either one or both depends on when the splitting is occuring

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#6077483 - 12/07/17 11:19 AM Re: .243 reloaders [Re: Golf ball]
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How hot is your load

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#6077513 - 12/07/17 11:48 AM Re: .243 reloaders [Re: Golf ball]
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I have always tumbled, deprimed/resized, and then tumbled again before any trimming, etc. Have been told depriming/resizing dirty brass is a no, no, so I have never done it.

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#6077638 - 12/07/17 01:53 PM Re: .243 reloaders [Re: Golf ball]
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I tumble , then resize deprime , then trim, then chamfer , prime.....etc. I find when I tumble the brass with the old primers in place i don't end up picking media out of the primer pockets. Prepping primer pockets that are crimped is quick enough on my case prep station.
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