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#6076620 - 12/06/17 05:34 PM Doe management begins...
Swamp Wolf Offline
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Loc: SE Georgia
Need to take 8 does off my 400 acres. Started today with a nice cold drizzle rain this evening. 7 more to go...
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#6076626 - 12/06/17 05:38 PM Re: Doe management begins... [Re: Swamp Wolf]
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Loc: Northern KY
Your easy on yours I try to take 6 off my 150 acers.
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#6076628 - 12/06/17 05:39 PM Re: Doe management begins... [Re: Swamp Wolf]
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Loc: Michigan
cant eat the horn's I take a few when ever I can

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#6076634 - 12/06/17 05:43 PM Re: Doe management begins... [Re: Swamp Wolf]
patfundine Offline
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Registered: 01/17/13
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Loc: Pillager, Minnesota
There's not even 8 deer on the 120 acres I hunt.

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#6076660 - 12/06/17 06:01 PM Re: Doe management begins... [Re: huntcook]
Swamp Wolf Offline
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Originally Posted By: huntcook
Your easy on yours I try to take 6 off my 150 acers.


These pineywoods deer aren't as productive on this sandy soil as those in other parts of the US with better soils.

Plus, if I don't kill a few does my farmer neighbors will shoot them on a deer control permit this spring.
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#6076665 - 12/06/17 06:04 PM Re: Doe management begins... [Re: patfundine]
Swamp Wolf Offline
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Originally Posted By: patfundine
There's not even 8 deer on the 120 acres I hunt.


Is that because of those large k9s in your post pic?
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#6076691 - 12/06/17 06:19 PM Re: Doe management begins... [Re: Swamp Wolf]
Trapper Dahlgren Offline
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Loc: Michigan
have 10-15 doe at each food plot each night

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#6076697 - 12/06/17 06:22 PM Re: Doe management begins... [Re: Swamp Wolf]
Bruce T Offline
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Loc: Northern Maine
Way to go.
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#6076721 - 12/06/17 06:44 PM Re: Doe management begins... [Re: Swamp Wolf]
Marty Offline
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Registered: 01/13/14
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Loc: Camp FEMA..Kansas
Nice.
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#6076756 - 12/06/17 07:11 PM Re: Doe management begins... [Re: Swamp Wolf]
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Loc: Central, SD
Should be good eating!
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#6076783 - 12/06/17 07:39 PM Re: Doe management begins... [Re: Swamp Wolf]
grisseldog Online   content
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Registered: 08/07/08
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Loc: fayette,al.
Iv got to remove at least 6 does from my 50 acres.
They destroy my garden each year. Didn't try to have a garden last year..
They got to go..
Have killed up to 8 in my yard,to many deer..

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#6076788 - 12/06/17 07:42 PM Re: Doe management begins... [Re: grisseldog]
Bruce T Offline
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Loc: Northern Maine
Originally Posted By: grisseldog
Iv got to remove at least 6 does from my 50 acres.
They destroy my garden each year. Didn't try to have a garden last year..
They got to go..
Have killed up to 8 in my yard,to many deer..

Sure Wished we had that problem here.
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#6076792 - 12/06/17 07:48 PM Re: Doe management begins... [Re: Swamp Wolf]
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BRUCE T
They are a headache here,hunters won't kill enough of them..
They can wipe my garden out in one nite.. I see 6 does on my place all the time.

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#6076828 - 12/06/17 08:15 PM Re: Doe management begins... [Re: grisseldog]
Swamp Wolf Offline
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Originally Posted By: grisseldog
Iv got to remove at least 6 does from my 50 acres.
They destroy my garden each year. Didn't try to have a garden last year..
They got to go..
Have killed up to 8 in my yard,to many deer..


You need a garden fence and some bullets...lol
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#6076831 - 12/06/17 08:15 PM Re: Doe management begins... [Re: Swamp Wolf]
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Loc: Illinois Livingston county
If you don't have the Doe's you won't have a deer herd .just shoot what comes along and don't get greedy , antler's don't eat.
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#6076838 - 12/06/17 08:18 PM Re: Doe management begins... [Re: Swamp Wolf]
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mmmmmm backstraps on a charcoal grill with greek seasoning, and bait meat. Last two foxes I caught were at the same set on deer meat only with no other lure

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#6076843 - 12/06/17 08:20 PM Re: Doe management begins... [Re: Swamp Wolf]
patfundine Offline
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Loc: Pillager, Minnesota
Originally Posted By: Swamp Wolf
Originally Posted By: patfundine
There's not even 8 deer on the 120 acres I hunt.


Is that because of those large k9s in your post pic?


I did catch him on that property the first year we had a season. The neighbors had a pack of nine on there trail cameras this year.


Edited by patfundine (12/06/17 08:23 PM)

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#6076846 - 12/06/17 08:23 PM Re: Doe management begins... [Re: Swamp Wolf]
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Population in the river corridor where my place is located is about 25 to 30 deer/square mile. I probably could take a few more does without any change in next year's hunt quality, but annual recruitment rates are not very good here due to the low quality habitat here.

Sandy soils, minimal agriculture, moderate hunting pressure from neighbors, river bottom deer dependent on acorn crop = go easy on the doe segment.


Edited by Swamp Wolf (12/06/17 08:25 PM)
Edit Reason: More info.
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#6076864 - 12/06/17 08:33 PM Re: Doe management begins... [Re: Swamp Wolf]
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Loc: Illinois Livingston county
Sounds like you need more hunters .Some people up here think they can manage deer herds by taking out does but they don't consider they small acreage they actually have control of and it does nothing for bigger deer here . Have fun and best of luck.
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#6076884 - 12/06/17 08:44 PM Re: Doe management begins... [Re: wwc]
Swamp Wolf Offline
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Loc: SE Georgia
Originally Posted By: wwc
Sounds like you need more hunters .Some people up here think they can manage deer herds by taking out does but they don't consider they small acreage they actually have control of and it does nothing for bigger deer here . Have fun and best of luck.

Neighbors kill several does annually...about like me. Most of us along this corridor protect 1.5 and 2.5 year old bucks. Family groups of does are relatively easy to cherry pick mature does from. So, they can be kept somewhat in check even on small properties, especially if neighbors are doing similar.

These southern piney flatwoods dont even come close to the Midwest deer habitat like you have in Illinois. In good, rich soil farm country, even here in Ga, you can kill every doe you see and not have much of an effect on the population. Can't do that here...on these poor soils. It'll take longer for the population to rebound. Here in SE Ga we have to manage similar to north Florida (see deer management studies from UF in Gainesville.)


Edited by Swamp Wolf (12/06/17 08:52 PM)
Edit Reason: More info.
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#6076902 - 12/06/17 08:52 PM Re: Doe management begins... [Re: grisseldog]
Bruce T Offline
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Loc: Northern Maine
Originally Posted By: grisseldog
BRUCE T
They are a headache here,hunters won't kill enough of them..
They can wipe my garden out in one nite.. I see 6 does on my place all the time.

We are lucky to have 1 deer every 10 miles here.
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#6077180 - 12/07/17 06:55 AM Re: Doe management begins... [Re: Swamp Wolf]
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Whatcha shooting them with, Swamp Wolf?
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#6077244 - 12/07/17 07:57 AM Re: Doe management begins... [Re: Swamp Wolf]
snowy Offline
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Loc: MT
Originally Posted By: Swamp Wolf
Population in the river corridor where my place is located is about 25 to 30 deer/square mile. I probably could take a few more does without any change in next year's hunt quality, but annual recruitment rates are not very good here due to the low quality habitat here.

Sandy soils, minimal agriculture, moderate hunting pressure from neighbors, river bottom deer dependent on acorn crop = go easy on the doe segment.


WOW. You have good population of deer.

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#6077263 - 12/07/17 08:13 AM Re: Doe management begins... [Re: Swamp Wolf]
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Very Nice...

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#6077273 - 12/07/17 08:19 AM Re: Doe management begins... [Re: Swamp Wolf]
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Nice Doe there!
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#6077282 - 12/07/17 08:29 AM Re: Doe management begins... [Re: Carolina Foxer]
Swamp Wolf Offline
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Loc: SE Georgia
Originally Posted By: Carolina Foxer
Whatcha shooting them with, Swamp Wolf?


I put the Mathews back in the case and gave in to the ease of my Remington Model Seven 7mm-08...lol
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#6077289 - 12/07/17 08:32 AM Re: Doe management begins... [Re: snowy]
Swamp Wolf Offline
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Originally Posted By: snowy
Originally Posted By: Swamp Wolf
Population in the river corridor where my place is located is about 25 to 30 deer/square mile. I probably could take a few more does without any change in next year's hunt quality, but annual recruitment rates are not very good here due to the low quality habitat here.

Sandy soils, minimal agriculture, moderate hunting pressure from neighbors, river bottom deer dependent on acorn crop = go easy on the doe segment.


WOW. You have good population of deer.


25 to 30 dsm is low compared to many areas in the south. 40 to 50 per square mile is common across much of Ga. On Ga's coastal islands the population is 60 to 70 dsm.
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#6077310 - 12/07/17 08:50 AM Re: Doe management begins... [Re: Swamp Wolf]
Claypool313 Offline
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Registered: 08/07/16
Posts: 25
Loc: Pennsylvania
Question from a Pennsylvanian. What do the average dressed does in southern Georgia weigh?


Edited by Claypool313 (12/07/17 08:56 AM)

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#6077334 - 12/07/17 09:07 AM Re: Doe management begins... [Re: Swamp Wolf]
Rye Offline
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Registered: 10/31/07
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Loc: havelock, NC
Clay,

We have similar habitat to Swamp, our average 1.5-2.5 year old does are 80-90lbs on the hoof. The oldest doe I've taken was 5.5 and weighed 126lbs on the hoof.

something to bare in mind is that SE Deer are a different genetic strain than those further north. They don't get physically as big as the Virginian WhiteTail strain.


Edited by Rye (12/07/17 09:08 AM)
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#6077360 - 12/07/17 09:30 AM Re: Doe management begins... [Re: Rye]
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Loc: Pennsylvania
It's mostly out of curiosity for me. I've shot a lot of does but only recently started weighing them. Being a meat hunter, I like to also keep track of pounds of meat per dressed weight on the ones I harvest. I weighed my biggest PA a couple days ago and it came in at 109 dressed. Will have the meat weight soon.

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#6077368 - 12/07/17 09:37 AM Re: Doe management begins... [Re: Swamp Wolf]
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Registered: 01/23/13
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Loc: Nebraska
I was wondering how you guys could eat so many deer in a yr, but when you only get a couple burgers out of each one I guess it can be done. If I hunted down there I would be passing them all up thinking they were fawns.
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#6077520 - 12/07/17 11:56 AM Re: Doe management begins... [Re: Swamp Wolf]
Rye Offline
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30% take is what you can expect for meat if you process it well.
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#6077565 - 12/07/17 12:37 PM Re: Doe management begins... [Re: Claypool313]
Swamp Wolf Offline
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Loc: SE Georgia
Originally Posted By: Claypool313
Question from a Pennsylvanian. What do the average dressed does in southern Georgia weigh?


Rye is correct in his post about average weights and subspecies of whitetail down here.

The doe pictured is 4.5 years old and weighed 85 live wt. She is smaller framed than most does I've seen this old. Usually 4.5 year old will break the 100 to 110 mark live wt.
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#6077567 - 12/07/17 12:40 PM Re: Doe management begins... [Re: Cougarw]
Swamp Wolf Offline
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Originally Posted By: Cougarw
I was wondering how you guys could eat so many deer in a yr, but when you only get a couple burgers out of each one I guess it can be done. If I hunted down there I would be passing them all up thinking they were fawns.


These are smaller deer for sure. First time I went to north Missouri hunting and saw those deer I was astounded. They are huge compared to our deer. The 6 month old fawns are as big as an adult doe here.
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#6077569 - 12/07/17 12:41 PM Re: Doe management begins... [Re: Rye]
Swamp Wolf Offline
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Loc: SE Georgia
Originally Posted By: Rye
30% take is what you can expect for meat if you process it well.


This is close to accurate...

And I cube every piece that I can. I dont grind any.


Edited by Swamp Wolf (12/07/17 12:41 PM)
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#6077589 - 12/07/17 12:58 PM Re: Doe management begins... [Re: Swamp Wolf]
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I'm in the yellow region in southern Ga near the Florida line. Our deer are a mixture of Virginia, Osceola, and Seminole subs. A lot of relocating deer occurred in the 60s and 70s with many coastal island deer released here....and they were even smaller.

Generally these deer run smaller, but there is an occassional large one. Largest recorded rack in my county is 137 net. Heaviest deer I've have proof of was 190 live weight. A county or two West and north of me there is more agriculture and better soils and a good many B&C bucks have been taken over the years. These same areas received Borealis subs (from Wisconsin) in the 60s and 70s also.


Edited by Swamp Wolf (12/07/17 12:58 PM)
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#6077597 - 12/07/17 01:06 PM Re: Doe management begins... [Re: Swamp Wolf]
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Registered: 01/16/07
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Loc: SW Iowa/NW Missouri
Soil productivity does not always equate to more deer. Look at our MDC harvest map and you will see the counties with highest harvest generally are timbered more and have more cover. Best soil productivity is along the river and NW Missouri. But, due to loss of CRP and loss of other cover there are no longer the numbers of deer like there was 5 years ago.
A few years ago I lived in North Dakota and the soil was higher in organic carbon than I have ever seen in Missouri even along the Malta Bend farms and due to lack of cover - there was no where for a deer to hide....now I will say with healthier soil usually equates a fatter, larger framed deer. There are quite a few Whitetail strains and generally the principle is the farther north you travel the larger the frame. Same thing with furbearers.....a coon trapper from Georgia or Texas should travel up and catch a northern MN or Canada coon - they will be in for a shock. I kept one of my 49" coons I caught from North Dakota - I had never seen such a mammoth.
Good job on the doe - looks like nice eating....I get tired of cleaning deer after a while.

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#6077601 - 12/07/17 01:08 PM Re: Doe management begins... [Re: Swamp Wolf]
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I should add - those 6 month old fawns are what I like to shoot.....they are your sized does with the tenderness of a yearling.....ummm

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#6077617 - 12/07/17 01:21 PM Re: Doe management begins... [Re: TreedaBlackdog]
Swamp Wolf Offline
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Loc: SE Georgia
Originally Posted By: TreedaBlackdog
Soil productivity does not always equate to more deer. Look at our MDC harvest map and you will see the counties with highest harvest generally are timbered more and have more cover. Best soil productivity is along the river and NW Missouri. But, due to loss of CRP and loss of other cover there are no longer the numbers of deer like there was 5 years ago.
A few years ago I lived in North Dakota and the soil was higher in organic carbon than I have ever seen in Missouri even along the Malta Bend farms and due to lack of cover - there was no where for a deer to hide....now I will say with healthier soil usually equates a fatter, larger framed deer. There are quite a few Whitetail strains and generally the principle is the farther north you travel the larger the frame. Same thing with furbearers.....a coon trapper from Georgia or Texas should travel up and catch a northern MN or Canada coon - they will be in for a shock. I kept one of my 49" coons I caught from North Dakota - I had never seen such a mammoth.
Good job on the doe - looks like nice eating....I get tired of cleaning deer after a while.


I agree with most of your post but soil fertility is the base for better quality habitat...and ultimately better populations. But, there are for sure other factors at play. Critters need food, water, cover, and space in an optimum arrangement. Other factors include things such as hunting pressure and diseases such as EHD/CWD.

Also, some good deer populations exist in prairie type habitat in states such as Kansas, Nebraska, and the Dakota's. Not much timber there?

Bergman's Rule is farther north - bigger body concept you referenced.
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#6077888 - 12/07/17 05:54 PM Re: Doe management begins... [Re: Swamp Wolf]
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Loc: Pennsylvania
Originally Posted By: Swamp Wolf
[quote=Rye]30% take is what you can expect for meat if you process it well.


This is close to accurate...

And I cube every piece that I can. I dont grind any. [/quote

I assume you mean 30% of live weight. I work with hunters in Florida. They never gut their deer. I guess it's because you can't hang them for a few days like we can. So when we compare deer weights I always have to qualify mine as dressed. I scrape every bit I can off a carcass. I get better % in October due to less fat. Maybe around 42% on my October doe this year.

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#6077982 - 12/07/17 07:00 PM Re: Doe management begins... [Re: Swamp Wolf]
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Loc: Wyoming County Pa.
Filled 2 of my 3 doe tags today. Already got my Buck so I am done until Muzzy season the day after Christmas.

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#6078066 - 12/07/17 07:48 PM Re: Doe management begins... [Re: Swamp Wolf]
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Tried again this evening. Conditions perfect. Cold, foggy, rainy. Different stand than yesterday. Didn't see nothing from stand. Two does ran across logging road when I was driving out after dark.
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#6078140 - 12/07/17 08:55 PM Re: Doe management begins... [Re: Swamp Wolf]
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Loc: Sumner, Mo.
The always important question..........how many turkeys are you seeing Patrick????lol

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#6078172 - 12/07/17 09:21 PM Re: Doe management begins... [Re: Swamp Wolf]
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Swamp. They have been moving about 6-630 here. Another 4-7 days they will be up during daylight again
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#6078671 - 12/08/17 12:18 PM Re: Doe management begins... [Re: claycreech]
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Originally Posted By: claycreech
The always important question..........how many turkeys are you seeing Patrick????lol


At least three broods (5 to a dozen birds in each) on my place. And seen one group of 4 longbeards.

Now..on Coone's place...there are multiple groups of gobblers (more than a dozen in one group and at least two groups of 3 to 4.) And a large flock of multiple broods that have been hanging around just inside the red gate that is more than 30 birds.

It's looking very good...again!
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#6078673 - 12/08/17 12:19 PM Re: Doe management begins... [Re: Rye]
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Loc: SE Georgia
Originally Posted By: Rye
Swamp. They have been moving about 6-630 here. Another 4-7 days they will be up during daylight again


Yep..same here....that moon phase...
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#6078677 - 12/08/17 12:21 PM Re: Doe management begins... [Re: Swamp Wolf]
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We're gonna burn Coone's entire property in a few weeks....and hopefully 40 acres of mine.


Edited by Swamp Wolf (12/08/17 12:21 PM)
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#6078682 - 12/08/17 12:24 PM Re: Doe management begins... [Re: Swamp Wolf]
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CC,
How's the coon killing going? You got any blood spattered on them new white walls...lol?
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#6079030 - 12/08/17 06:39 PM Re: Doe management begins... [Re: Swamp Wolf]
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Sounds good on the Turk's. I kinda like to hunt them!

Yea, broke the new fur shed in. Blood here, there, and yonder lol. I love the new shed.Sold a load of coon meat yesterday. Starting on another line Sunday.

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