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#6076796 - 12/06/17 07:52 PM My PA 11pt
cndgmn Offline
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Registered: 01/19/07
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Loc: PA




Did a quick green score,he grossed 155

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#6076806 - 12/06/17 07:59 PM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
ejgartland Offline
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Registered: 12/20/12
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Loc: Carroll county, maryland
That's a nice one congratulations

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#6076810 - 12/06/17 08:01 PM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
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Registered: 09/29/16
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Loc: MB
Very nice buck! Congrats!
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#6076812 - 12/06/17 08:02 PM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: Jurassic Park]
wheelers Offline
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Registered: 12/22/06
Posts: 25036
Loc: Minnesota
Nice one

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#6076815 - 12/06/17 08:04 PM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
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Loc: Northern Maine
Nice buck.Congrats
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#6076817 - 12/06/17 08:04 PM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
Finster Offline
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Registered: 03/13/13
Posts: 7185
Loc: Fredonia, PA.
Very nice. What county?


Edited by Finster (12/06/17 08:05 PM)
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#6076821 - 12/06/17 08:08 PM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
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Registered: 01/06/15
Posts: 783
Loc: Johnston County, NC
way to GO, GREAT BUCK

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#6076824 - 12/06/17 08:12 PM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
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Registered: 04/04/09
Posts: 3874
Loc: SE Georgia
That is a fine buck! Congrats!
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#6076830 - 12/06/17 08:15 PM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
CoonsBane Offline
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Registered: 03/13/16
Posts: 119
Loc: PA
That's a dandy. What county or WMU?

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#6076842 - 12/06/17 08:19 PM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
cndgmn Offline
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Registered: 01/19/07
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Loc: PA
Thanks guys! I got him in Cambria County.I haven't had him aged but suspect he is at least 5.5 years old.He was uncanny but I finally saw him first.

I'm still not a fan of antler restrictions.

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#6076845 - 12/06/17 08:22 PM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
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Loc: Fingerlakes New York
Nice buck! Would have loved to see him
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#6076932 - 12/06/17 09:17 PM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
Mike Kelly Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
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Loc: Beaver Bayou MN
Looks like a Texas TV deer, all rack and no body. Any idea what he weighed?
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#6076950 - 12/06/17 09:29 PM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
cndgmn Offline
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Registered: 01/19/07
Posts: 1375
Loc: PA
Thanks.No,I didn't get a weight..185??

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#6076965 - 12/06/17 09:45 PM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
TurkeyTime Offline
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Registered: 01/21/14
Posts: 633
Loc: NW MO
Very nice for around here and I am sure very nice for PA.

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#6076968 - 12/06/17 09:45 PM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
USMCSniper5 Offline
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Registered: 10/15/13
Posts: 225
Loc: Southwest, Mi
Come on bro!!!! We need the story of that hunt now!!!! Lol
Congrats that's a great buck!!!

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#6076980 - 12/06/17 09:55 PM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
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Registered: 12/16/14
Posts: 1024
Loc: SE Nebraska
Nice buck!

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#6077013 - 12/06/17 10:33 PM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
cndgmn Offline
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Registered: 01/19/07
Posts: 1375
Loc: PA
Thanks guys.
I knew he was in the area and had hunted for him several times,the right way.I was expecting him to be in the next county with the rut..but he was old for a reason.This time I did everything wrong,I didn't play the wind.I did just the opposite.I walked the full stretch of the cover he was in with the wind blowing my scent right to him,I made a 90 degree angle to get downwind and settled in.He came in three steps,stop,three steps,stop,he was looking for me.This might sound odd to some but its not the first buck I have killed that was following/looking for hunters.

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#6077026 - 12/06/17 11:08 PM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
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Hunt where and when you can. Then throw a curve.

I have many deer come up on trail, just wish they would do it in rifle season. My standards are getting lower...

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#6077028 - 12/06/17 11:11 PM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
ShaneT Offline
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Loc: Louisiana
Nice buck!

One time I remember sitting in my stand on public land. A guy came walking down an old road on the edge of an overgrown field. I watched him for quite a way. About 5 minutes behind him came a decent buck. I swear that buck was trailing the guy. The buck would put his nose down for a few steps, pause walk a few steps with his nose up, pause, and so on and so forth. Darndest thing I ever saw. I figured he must have had some Tinks or something on his boots but who knows.
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#6077064 - 12/07/17 04:03 AM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
lumberjack391 Offline
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Registered: 04/27/17
Posts: 141
Loc: PA
That's as good as it gets! I'm just to the west of you and haven't seen one like that in a long time.

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#6077070 - 12/07/17 04:38 AM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
micheal Offline
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Registered: 08/06/08
Posts: 1748
Loc: Saginaw, Mi
Congrats

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#6077091 - 12/07/17 05:08 AM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
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Registered: 01/19/07
Posts: 1375
Loc: PA
ShaneT,mine is a similar story over 20 years ago on how I discovered this and killed a 5pt.I was in a stand in a thicket in Mckean County PA on public land.It was opening day and has just broke daylight.I heard shuffling steps and here comes a young guy right up to the tree I'm in.He says "are you Gary"I told him no and quickly ended the conversation.It had been no more than a few minutes,the guy looking for Gary had just went over a knoll about 40yds away and I heard shuffling again.I thought it was the guys buddy,but no,it was a 5pt following the guy in his exact steps.

Thanks to the rest of you fellas.

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#6077094 - 12/07/17 05:13 AM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
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Loc: potter co. p.a.
amazing deer,congrats to you.if you google "solomons words"you will see a pic of a deer about the same size killed by a car yesterday morning here.
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#6077096 - 12/07/17 05:17 AM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
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Loc: Central Pennsylvania
That is a dandy Gary Alt deer. grin
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#6077102 - 12/07/17 05:22 AM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
cndgmn Offline
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Registered: 01/19/07
Posts: 1375
Loc: PA
Thanks

LOL!Don't give Alt a chance to take credit,he will.I saw deer like this every year in the 80s at the big hunting camp in Keating Summit.It was the highlight of the bus ride to school and also a turn-around.

https://www.waypointsports.com/antler-point-restrictions/

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#6077103 - 12/07/17 05:26 AM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
Wiz Offline
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Registered: 09/07/15
Posts: 61
Loc: Georgia
That is a fine Cambria County buck. Any estimate on live weight?

I have killed several in the same manner you described. I actually used to look forward to this one guy coming through each year on the first day because on 3-4 occasions, a buck was following in his steps about 30 minutes later. I actually killed 2 6 pointers and also had spike and 8 point come through in other years. To top it off, a buddy was hunting with me one day and the same guy walked past him. Within 15 minutes 2 really good bucks walked right up to him on the same trail.

Wonder if its a coincidence that I had all of this also happen in Cambria County? You are not in the Twin Rocks area by chance are you? The background in the last photo looks familiar.

Congratulations on a great buck!!

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#6077115 - 12/07/17 05:35 AM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
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Keating Summit huh,i've been in Shinglehouse 50 yrs this April.do you get up here anymore??
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#6077118 - 12/07/17 05:39 AM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
cndgmn Offline
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Registered: 01/19/07
Posts: 1375
Loc: PA
Around 185lbs is my best guess.I'm only about 30 minutes from Twin Rocks...I've noticed this behavior in several counties.But the deer around here are known for it.Thanks.

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#6077121 - 12/07/17 05:41 AM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
cndgmn Offline
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Registered: 01/19/07
Posts: 1375
Loc: PA
No,I don't get up that way much,Once every blue moon I'll go up around Coudy and hunt some shang.I went to school for quite a while in Austin.

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#6077123 - 12/07/17 05:44 AM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
cndgmn Offline
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Registered: 01/19/07
Posts: 1375
Loc: PA
"seng"

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#6077130 - 12/07/17 05:54 AM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
Wiz Offline
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Registered: 09/07/15
Posts: 61
Loc: Georgia
I grew up in the Mundy's Corner/Nanty Glo area but moved south in 2001.

I usually go back every year to hunt with my dad. I got a nice 12 last year just outside of Nanty Glo, not far from the Sheetz at the Mundy's Corner/Nanty Glo exit. Live weight estimate was 250 lbs. I ended up getting 74 lbs. of meat from it. Huge body and massive rack.

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#6077136 - 12/07/17 06:05 AM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
coolbrze Offline
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Registered: 02/15/07
Posts: 241
Loc: VA
Nice buck!

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#6077199 - 12/07/17 07:15 AM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: coolbrze]
Dfabs Offline
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Registered: 02/12/15
Posts: 1494
Loc: Morgantown, WV
Awesome buck....great job!!

When I was a kid, my dad shot a buck that was sneaking around the edge of a high wall. As soon as he shot it, a guy came running out into the gas line waving his arms and yelling. Apparently, the buck had been watching him walk down a tram road and was following him quite closely from up on top of the high wall, but we couldn't see him down on the road because of the wall. I'm willing to bet that guy had to walk up the road and change his underwear. I hunt a lot of public land, and I have seen deer following a hunters trail many times. Bears will do the same thing, especially if you use a cover up scent that has a vanilla smell. (Mountain Magic)

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#6077210 - 12/07/17 07:24 AM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
weaselnut Offline
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Registered: 12/24/06
Posts: 156
Loc: Walhonding, Ohio
Very nice buck, congrats.

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#6077276 - 12/07/17 08:23 AM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
bic Offline
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Registered: 01/15/08
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Loc: Central Pa. 57
Originally Posted By: cndgmn
Only about 30 minutes from Twin Rocks....


Here are 2 more from Cambria County, within 30 minutes of Twin Rocks on Public land.


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#6077281 - 12/07/17 08:28 AM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
MnMan Offline
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Loc: Central MN, sort of old
Great looking buck....good job!!
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#6077376 - 12/07/17 09:44 AM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
jbyrd63 Offline
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Registered: 02/25/14
Posts: 1804
Loc: Ky
Great deer

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#6077515 - 12/07/17 11:50 AM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
cndgmn Offline
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Registered: 01/19/07
Posts: 1375
Loc: PA
Thanks guys.

Bic,nice bucks.Were they still warm when you found them? Kidding,lol,very nice bucks,the genetics on that top pic look real similar,even has an anomaly on the right antler.

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#6077580 - 12/07/17 12:46 PM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
bic Offline
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Registered: 01/15/08
Posts: 9417
Loc: Central Pa. 57
Originally Posted By: cndgmn
Thanks guys.

Bic,nice bucks.Were they still warm when you found them? Kidding,lol,very nice bucks,the genetics on that top pic look real similar,even has an anomaly on the right antler.


Must be Emissions from the Colver Power plant. smile
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#6078118 - 12/07/17 08:25 PM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
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Registered: 01/19/07
Posts: 1375
Loc: PA
...all I'm saying is at one point there was a prolific breeder with superior genetics.

The cat is somewhat out of the bag anyhow,I had five different people take pictures before I could get out of my parking spot,lol.

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#6078154 - 12/07/17 09:06 PM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
cndgmn Offline
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Registered: 01/19/07
Posts: 1375
Loc: PA
Nittany Lion,the best part of Alts plan is the unintended consequences.When hunter numbers drop from 1.3 million to 600,000 of course there are going to be more mature bucks for the many,many fewer hunters.This doesn't mean there wasn't mature bucks before Alts genius plan.Sadly his plan doesn't help all the wasted spikes and forkhorns that are shot and left to waste.I see one or two every year,I hate to imagine the waste statewide.

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#6078236 - 12/07/17 10:33 PM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
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Registered: 10/08/17
Posts: 152
Loc: Pennsylvania
Wow

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#6078337 - 12/08/17 05:23 AM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
gryhkl Offline
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Registered: 01/21/09
Posts: 3293
Loc: PA
Alt did not want antler restrictions as part of the herd reduction plan he was given as his number one assignment. The PGC used them to gain the support of many hunters who value antler size above all else when it come to hunting deer.
Alt did just as he was supposed to do and the PGC allowed him to be used as a scapegoat.

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#6078381 - 12/08/17 06:22 AM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
marathonman Offline
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Registered: 04/06/12
Posts: 596
Loc: PENNSYLVANIA,USA
I was at my local taxidermist this week and if you went there and said antler restrictions dont work after looking at the 70 + sets of antlers you would be a fool.15 yrs ago we did not have the average size buck that we do now..I live in eastern PA

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#6078412 - 12/08/17 07:06 AM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
wr otis Offline
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Registered: 06/30/08
Posts: 2104
Loc: SW Pa
Same thing and same thoughts here, much lower hunter numbers leads to bigger bucks.
Friend owns local gun shop, won't take a deer rifle or any hunting gun in on trade, can't get rid of them. Told me he'd go broke on hunting sales, there aren't many.
As a landowner, I am grateful for the reduction in slobs and hacks.

Three or four of the biggest bucks I have ever seen have been in the last four years. That's with forty plus years in the woods and farm.

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#6078525 - 12/08/17 09:05 AM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
cndgmn Offline
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Registered: 01/19/07
Posts: 1375
Loc: PA
I was at a Used Car Dealership the other day,they had 100% used cars on the lot.Going to a Taxidermist I would expect to see the best of the best from surrounding counties,not the best argument.But,nobody is saying there aren't more mature deer.Its just not ARS,its common sense,with half the hunters in the woods of course more deer will survive and mature.It doesn't offset the waste by "mistake kills" though.

Glad some of you guys get it.

I've spent a lifetime in the woods as well.I agree the averages and numbers of "nice bucks" has improved with less hunter numbers.But for individual animals the biggest monsters I've seen were pre ARs.I hunted for three years for a monster on Moore Hill in Cameron County.He was at least a 175 class animal(average),never did get a shot.

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#6078554 - 12/08/17 09:41 AM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
elkaholic Offline
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Registered: 12/22/06
Posts: 1960
Loc: PA
Originally Posted By: cndgmn
I was at a Used Car Dealership the other day,they had 100% used cars on the lot.Going to a Taxidermist I would expect to see the best of the best from surrounding counties,not the best argument.But,nobody is saying there aren't more mature deer.Its just not ARS,its common sense,with half the hunters in the woods of course more deer will survive and mature.It doesn't offset the waste by "mistake kills" though.

Glad some of you guys get it.

I've spent a lifetime in the woods as well.I agree the averages and numbers of "nice bucks" has improved with less hunter numbers.But for individual animals the biggest monsters I've seen were pre ARs.I hunted for three years for a monster on Moore Hill in Cameron County.He was at least a 175 class animal(average),never did get a shot.



You hush. There's no deer in Cameron county. Especially on Moore Hill. Nobody listen to alphabet soup. He lies..... laugh laugh laugh
I saw a massive 8 point whitetail take on and back down a 5x5 raghorn elk on Moore Hill. That poor elk looked so confused and embarrassed.
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#6078569 - 12/08/17 09:57 AM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
cndgmn Offline
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Registered: 01/19/07
Posts: 1375
Loc: PA
Lol!

Hot Tip: Park at the Sewage Treatment Plant and don't go much past the gate to Hopps Island.A trail cam is sure to capture some bachelor groups that are interesting,lol.

I'm sure that Big Sucker is long dead but he had to do some breeding.

Did you name that elk "Omega"?

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#6078590 - 12/08/17 10:47 AM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
Wiz Offline
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Registered: 09/07/15
Posts: 61
Loc: Georgia
There is a lot of irony in the argument of lower hunter numbers vs. antler restrictions being the cause of a greater number of larger bucks in PA.

I agree that there has always been some big bucks but never in the abundance in which they now occur.

Whether anyone wants to believe it or not, both accomplish the same thing from a population management perspective. Antler restrictions do nothing more than lower harvest of younger bucks which move on to the next year class. Less hunters also really doesn't do anything other than lower the harvest of all bucks.

Pre antler restrictions, fewer bucks made it to the 2.5 year class. Having more 2.5 year old bucks trickles up through the age classes meaning there will be more bucks in every age class thereafter. The same goes for less hunters as less hunters mean less harvest of all bucks. Less hunters combined with the antler restrictions is helping more get bigger than ever before because more 1.5 year old bucks are protected from harvest which move to the next year class and each year class has less harvest because of less hunters. More bucks than ever reach 4-5 years of age then ever before and fewer would reach those ages without AR.

Now factor in the nutrition and you see one of the other major reasons bucks are getting bigger both in their antlers and body weight. Less deer due to herd reduction allows more food per deer. This has just recently been shown to be more important than thought but not in a way most have ever cpmsodered. A recently published and very controlled study done over about 10-15 years at Mississippi State University has shown that nutrition of the individual buck is important but the nutrition of that buck's grandmother is more important for producing bigger antlers than either the nutrition of the buck or its parents. The reason is because the gene for large antler sizes is not "turned on" unless grandmama is eating well. It likely has something to do with antler production being a secondary trait to body mass when it comes to reproduction and if habitat can support the deer population, bigger antlers are not necessary.

Put it all together and its not hard to see why there are getting to be more big bucks than ever killed annually in Pennsylvania. Less deer means habitat recovers which will take several years. Harvesting less 1.5 year old bucks puts more in each year class than ever before. Less hunters mean even more of those 1.5 year old bucks are being protected and making it to additional years which are also having less harvest than they would with more hunters. Then, grandmama has some good habitat after several years of habitat recover and has her offspring which have their own offspring in 4-5 years after grandma is born. The buck of that grandmama who had good nutrition then grows to maturity to express is maximum antler size in 4-5 year. Next thing you know, you have more large antlered deer being killed in PA than ever before.

It has taken about 15 years for this to happen. The best part is PA hunters are just starting to see the real benefits of the deer plan initiated in the early 2000's.

The entire breeding ecology/age class argument is another ball of wax that is more complicated than most will ever realize thanks to good foresight when it came to management.

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#6078593 - 12/08/17 10:52 AM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
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Nice buck congrats!!!

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#6078621 - 12/08/17 11:30 AM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
wr otis Offline
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Posts: 2104
Loc: SW Pa
I'd bet my last nickel more deer die on the road than are shot by mistake, this corner of the state anyway.
Massive die off due to ehd SW corner this year.

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#6078865 - 12/08/17 03:46 PM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
white marlin Offline
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Registered: 01/04/07
Posts: 1882
Loc: SW PA
Originally Posted By: cndgmn
Nittany Lion,the best part of Alts plan is the unintended consequences.When hunter numbers drop from 1.3 million to 600,000 of course there are going to be more mature bucks for the many,many fewer hunters.This doesn't mean there wasn't mature bucks before Alts genius plan.


to understand the drop in hunter #'s, all ya gotta do is go to any restaurant and look around...few if any "Dads" present and then see how many of the kids have their nose glued to a screen.

there's your reason.

there were a few mature bucks pre-Alt, but not very many...that's a FACT.

nice buck, btw!


Edited by white marlin (12/08/17 03:58 PM)
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#6078927 - 12/08/17 04:48 PM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
cndgmn Offline
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Registered: 01/19/07
Posts: 1375
Loc: PA
I know several older guys that said "screw it"when they had to mess with years of tradition.I do agree many Dads aren't doing their jobs.
I also agree that habitat is important,as well as genetics.Many "mature bucks" just don't have the genetics to be exceptional.People are going to believe what they want,not worth much debate either way.

Bumped another nice 8+pt this evening,trying to help out a buddy.I got his number and know where he is going to lay-low next.If we can get him tomorrow I'll post a pic.

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#6078999 - 12/08/17 06:13 PM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
bic Offline
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Registered: 01/15/08
Posts: 9417
Loc: Central Pa. 57
The recent very mild winters have also helped the deer herd enter the spring in very healthy condition. There has been basically no recovery time required so antler growth benefits.
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#6079060 - 12/08/17 07:09 PM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
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More older bucks means more large antlers. ARs means more older bucks. Fewer hunters, fewer bucks killed. Fewer bucks killed, more older bucks.

I don't think the game commission should have a regulation that keep hunters from killing any buck the hunter wants to shoot, many hunter care little about antler size. But, since ARs, lots more big bucks being taken.

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#6079161 - 12/08/17 08:29 PM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
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I like it, nice rack

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#6080269 - 12/09/17 08:10 PM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
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Good Point Bic,I agree.I liked the old way better too,if you wanted to shoot a spike,you shot a spike.It also resulted in far less waste.The fork horn I found this year was such a waste,biggest fork horn I've ever seen.I can see how he was shot,a rack like that in the thick stuff.

Thanks to the rest of you fellas for the kind words.

No big bucks to show today"I couldn't get a shot"a direct quote,lol,it happens.After busting about 5 miles of brush everyone did fill their doe tags.So it was a good day.


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#6080569 - 12/10/17 07:28 AM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
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Any more it's hard to tell it's deer season, hunter numbers way down. Didn't see any small game hunters that I can recall, and just a few fall turkey hunters. I would imagine hunter levels will stay as is, until this group quits or dies off. Ten years from now I bet numbers are half what they are now, which seems like half of what they were twenty years ago.

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#6080682 - 12/10/17 09:26 AM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
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It sure ain't what it used to be.I'm trying to hold onto some hope for the future of hunting.In my immediate family there are seven children being taught a love of the outdoors and hunting.The best thing the PGC can do is quit pissing with stuff and quit raising prices.Posted Land is also a problem,more people post land than before...a variable in the "mature bucks" controversy as well,lol.One saving grace is PA Game Lands,it ensures people have a place to hunt ,otherwise I could easily see us headed the way of Fox Hunters in England.

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#6080685 - 12/10/17 09:28 AM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
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Quit raising prices?? There hasn't been a general license increase in over 15 years.
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#6080713 - 12/10/17 09:51 AM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
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with stamps and spreading things out i'm paying ten times though
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#6080720 - 12/10/17 09:56 AM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
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After the stunt the PGC pulled they couldn't afford to,they were already bleeding numbers.Sure seems more recent than that,the days fly by anymore,lol,Doesn't matter,any price increase will lose more hunters.The guys that are old,cranky and hunt two days a season will fold just like with fishing licenses

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#6080724 - 12/10/17 10:01 AM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
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That's because they can't get a license increase. They've added bobcat, fisher, elk, and in some areas otter tags. Just recently they added the pheasant stamp. The pheasant stamp probably doesn't even cover the cost of raising the birds. They also added a second gobbler tag for the spring. All the tags/stamps were added because the sportsmen of the state asked for them.
The processing fees for licenses is what kills me anymore. Every dang license has that $2.70 processing fee.
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#6080730 - 12/10/17 10:07 AM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
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Numbers are down per pa standards, but probably still high compared to most states. And probably high per square mile compared to most. At one time pa I believe was second only to Texas in numbers, or numbers per capita maybe? That's why cabelas, gander, sportsman's Warehouse and Bass pro all wanted to be here. Really high fishing and boating numbers at one time also.

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#6080732 - 12/10/17 10:10 AM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
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One local game lands gets 800 pheasants, no way does that pay for itself. Probably 8 to 12 thousand dollars they turn loose, much of which gets ate by Hawks and coons.

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#6080747 - 12/10/17 10:22 AM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
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A couple springs ago I was on my way to work and saw a Pheasant hen with about six chicks.I was happy that a stocked hen had somehow managed this.On the way home from work they were all on the road dead.I think the pheasant program is a bust.

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#6080780 - 12/10/17 10:52 AM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
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cndgmn, The PA pheasant program is like the trout program. Put and Take.
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#6080785 - 12/10/17 10:58 AM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
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up here there wasn't too many taking either compared to before the stamp..i buy it cause i feel it is a good deal for the youth and not misused as much as some other youth programs.
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#6080789 - 12/10/17 11:00 AM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
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I don't know alot about the pheasant program,wasn't sure of the intended goal.If its Put and Take they are doing alright.If this is the case and the program is underwater charge those who want to hunt pheasant accordingly.

They might be further ahead by attempting to establish a wild population.Start stocking pregnant hens in remote areas with available feed.

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#6080806 - 12/10/17 11:19 AM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
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It would be interesting to see what the cost of raising enough birds to establish a wild population. I know growing up the birds they stocked weren't the brightest bulbs. I remember watching one bust out of the end of a cornfield, dog hot on it's tail. Thing never took off. It just ran down the path. When the fox came out of the weeds and took the bird the dog stood there looking around like "What the heck just happened here?"

The neighboring farmer loved pheasants. He raised quail in hopes the fox would take them instead of the pheasants. 20 quail and 1 pheasant in a field and the fox would ignore them for the pen raised pheasant.

I like your idea of the preggo females.
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#6080927 - 12/10/17 12:49 PM Re: My PA 11pt [Re: cndgmn]
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Turning hens loose in the spring has limited success, I know of a couple guys turned loose several hundred over a couple years. Couple years later just about back to zero. I do know of a place where it did work, pgc then claimed they were sd birds. Still birds there, been ten years since they were turned loose in may.

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