Re: First time fleshing and stretching questions?
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It's ok to freeze for a while before fleshing. NO SALT when fleshing and preparing for the fur market. No freezing after drying for the fur market.
Fur pelts should be dried in a room at between 50-60 degrees F with a fan providing good air circulation. Time to dry will vary by species, but when they become tacky to the touch it is generally time to turn them if to be shipped fur out. For ease of removal use a belly wedge or two with all boards other than split boards, wire stretchers and squirrel and weasel boards.
If a pelt gets to dry to easily turn just wrap it in a damp towel until it becomes pliable, usually 10 -15 minutes for larger pelts like coyote and much less for marten. Don't worry about putting the re-hydrated pelt back on the board fur out. The re-hydrated skin dries very well and quickly, unlike a green skin against wood.
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Re: First time fleshing and stretching questions?
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So I finally got my second fox. I skinned him quickly then went out to check the rest of my traps. When I got home I could hardly get my two fingers down his neck when I went to put him on the stretcher. Other than skinning then straight to board anything I can do to help give back the elasticity? I did wrap him with a damp towel for a few mins. to try to re-hydrate the area.
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Re: First time fleshing and stretching questions?
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Ok, ya I left it on the counter for about an hour. I'll have to remember that for the next one. Another question is when I cut the nose how much of the cartilage do I leave in there when I board the animal. As you know coyotes have about 3/4" of cartilage and it kinda looks funny to me with the nose so high off the board. Sorry one more question really quick. Do I put the fur hanger through the eye hole?
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Re: First time fleshing and stretching questions?
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No reason to take off any cartilage In the nose. Take off the lower jaw and trim off the lips all the way to the nose.
When your drying the leather side of your hide you need to have It on the stretcher. And hang It up so It dries evenly.
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Re: First time fleshing and stretching questions?
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When skinning swift/kit fox they need all four feet and lower lip for optimum pay. you can wash and snap dry to make them fit the stretcher better. If it is just neck issues a spray bottle will moisten areas enough to accomplish what you need.
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Re: First time fleshing and stretching questions?
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Thanks guys. & ya I'll dry it on the stretcher. Was just wondering about the hanger cuz I have high hopes that I get to fill a couple of them this year... still a slow start for me so far. I can't seem to find the animals that want to step in my traps. Plus I think I might be leaving them in the same spot too long. But we'll see. Always learning.
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Re: First time fleshing and stretching questions?
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It's ok to freeze for a while before fleshing. NO SALT when fleshing and preparing for the fur market. No freezing after drying for the fur market.
Fur pelts should be dried in a room at between 50-60 degrees F with a fan providing good air circulation. Time to dry will vary by species, but when they become tacky to the touch it is generally time to turn them if to be shipped fur out. For ease of removal use a belly wedge or two with all boards other than split boards, wire stretchers and squirrel and weasel boards.
If a pelt gets to dry to easily turn just wrap it in a damp towel until it becomes pliable, usually 10 -15 minutes for larger pelts like coyote and much less for marten. Don't worry about putting the re-hydrated pelt back on the board fur out. The re-hydrated skin dries very well and quickly, unlike a green skin against wood.
Why do you recommend not freezing or storing dry pelts in frozen environment? Any body can answer this as this is a new one to me.
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Re: First time fleshing and stretching questions?
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Why do you recommend not freezing or storing dry pelts in frozen environment? Any body can answer this as this is a new one to me. It appears I had a rare brain fart at that point. No problem with freezing dried pelts if your holding over for the next season. Actually it's recommended. I just never hold over and always send to the next available auction and until that time keep them hanging in my shop..
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Re: First time fleshing and stretching questions?
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I'm sure it's not recommended but how bad is it if the fur is wet when put on the board? Skin out.
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Re: First time fleshing and stretching questions?
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I do occasionally put fur out pelts on boards with damp spots. I wouldn't call them sopping wet. Mold is going to depend on temperature and how long before you turn them. Coyotes will be somewhat damp in areas from cleaning blood and will take awhile to dry. Could mold, but I prevent this by putting them in a freezer( anywhere not my house) for a few hours minimum to retard anything wanting to grow and bring them back in to finish drying. Marten are ready to turn before any chance of mold. Before putting fur out stuff back on the board after turning I place the damp boards near the wood stove and they are dry in 5 -15 minutes. Otter are recommended to keep damp when processing and boarded damp hoping most moisture is absorbed into the wood stretcher.
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Re: First time fleshing and stretching questions?
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Odd question... Does anybody know why fox boards/stretchers aren't shaped the same as a coyote? Would something be hurt if I made my fox stretchers the same style as coyote but a smaller scale?
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Re: First time fleshing and stretching questions?
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The shape of the head to neck area. The coyote one I have is more of a triangle from nose to neck & the fox one is more rounded.
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Re: First time fleshing and stretching questions?
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They should both have a slight rounded profile from nose to neck area. Check your board sizes with those illustrated on the NAFA and FHA fur handling pdf's.
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Re: First time fleshing and stretching questions?
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Re: First time fleshing and stretching questions?
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Ok. So what's the difference between hanging furs nose up & nose down during drying while they are on the boards? Is there a benefit for one & not the other?
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Re: First time fleshing and stretching questions?
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With fur in goods, nose down allows the grease to drip off the nose in stead of absorbing into the tail and skirt.
With fur out goods, nose down allows the fur to fall toward the head allowing for fluff while drying.
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Re: First time fleshing and stretching questions?
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So I just took the coyote off of the stretcher, when I was brushing it i heard a ripping noise like a piece of paper. I just noticed that some how I ripped it under the armpit when I was brushing him. It's totally dry now with fur side out. How do I fix it now? It's about 3" long. Do I have to re-hydrate & sew it?
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Re: First time fleshing and stretching questions?
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It's going to be just about impossible to get It softened up enough to get It turned. Maybe you could soften up that spot were the tear Is but It's going to be tough to get It sewed up.
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Re: First time fleshing and stretching questions?
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You can rehydrate it in a tub of warm water for 4-6 hours,then wring it out good in big towels a few times until the fur is just damp.Then sew the rip,re-board,turn and brush again-but be careful.
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Re: First time fleshing and stretching questions?
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What are you planning to do with this coyote? The damage is done. You can do stuff to prevent further damage, but it may not be necessary. Is ripped in the thin fur of the armpit?
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Re: First time fleshing and stretching questions?
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I planned on selling next month @ auction. & yes it's in the armpit.
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Re: First time fleshing and stretching questions?
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If you don't do something with it, it will tear wide open when they drum it at the auction.
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Re: First time fleshing and stretching questions?
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This is what I'd try to do. You need to seal the leather of the rip edges by getting it wet. The hair in the armpit should be fairly thin. Put a gob of spit on the end of your finger and work a liberal amount of spit along the tear through the fur until the leather re hydrates at least a half an inch both sides of the tear. You might be able to get some of this liquid on the hide side with your finger. Depending on access through the tear you also may be able to re hydrate the tear area with a waded up wet paper towel placed on the leather side of the tear. If you are able to re hydrate the leather at the rip you should be able to pinch the leather up and add stitches for strength like a wound. You may also be able to sew the whole thing normally, if you want. You will have to pick hair out of the stitches. Good Luck!
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