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Re: Otters & 330's question [Re: Mike Kelly] #6108342
01/01/18 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted By: Mike Kelly
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Many otter will get out of a 33o entirely if there is a gap between the jaws,(like the old square jaw series 1 victors).
A 330 of any kind is not the best otter trap especially when set on land.


I will take a true magnum 330 in the water every day over any 280. Bigger opening for them to go through, and less for you to block down. With Belisles and Savageaus the catch will generally be sitting the stabalizer or stabalizing sticks in place.

Most places in the states don't allow 280's on land. If legal they are a great land trap and I would take over a 330 when targeting otter.

IMHO a non-magnum 330 should never be used for targeting otter.


Absolutely!!

I have a couple dozen 280’s. I use them quite a bit in spots too narrow or too shallow for 330’s. Our conibear regs do not allow anything bigger than 5 x 5 on dry land, so I’m talking strictly water sets, with 90 percent being completely submerged. A well tuned 330 will reduce hip catches, but not completely. A hip caught otter in a Belisle in the water is a dead otter. I’ll take that.

Re: Otters & 330's question [Re: harleydparts] #6108454
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My goal is a perfect catch every time. I know that is not possible but I feel like the 280 gives me a better chance so far. I haven't targeted otter with 330's enough to count them out yet. Going to try different brands with tuned triggers and see if I can improve upon what I have seen so far with the 330's.

I still feel like the 280 is going to be the better trap when it comes to getting good strikes and clean kills. I shall see.


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Re: Otters & 330's question [Re: harleydparts] #6109372
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People think I’m crazy but a Duke 330 magnum is about the best otter trap I have used. I put Belisle dogs on a dozen and tuned them about 5 years ago. I will dig through the pile of Belisle, Bridgers, Victors, and 1216s to find one of those Dukes if I am setting for otter. Those 12 traps have killed a couple hundred beaver and 50 or so otters and I continue to be impressed. I see the 9” height of the Dukes as an advantage for otter trapping. I think an 8x12” magnum jawed bodygrip would be about perfect for otters.

Re: Otters & 330's question [Re: harleydparts] #6109499
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when I caught my first otter I spent everything I had on three dozen new old stock northwoods 280 s tuned them up, put cables on them, and set every narrow spot I could find in my area , I caught one more in the set I caught the first one, then no more until it froze hard then I picked up 2 under ice where they couldn't go around or over the set. I worked my but off trying to keep those 36 traps operable, I saw where several otter went around or over you could see the ice on the dive stick where something wet went over it ,
then I discovered belisle #330s and never looked back I still have my 280s but don't use more than a half dozen . I can keep three times as many 330s working in blocked off channel sets as I can 280s I would use more if we could set them on dry land . on dry land I would probably lean towards 220 s ,my catch rate went way up when I started using 330s it was much nicer to spend my time skinning otter than spending time fencing off places to put a 280 , or looking for a place that narrow .

Re: Otters & 330's question [Re: harleydparts] #6109536
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We are talking about 2 inches. That is literally an extra stick on each side of the trap.


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Re: Otters & 330's question [Re: Bigfoot] #6109538
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Originally Posted By: Bigfoot

I can keep three times as many 330s working in blocked off channel sets as I can 280s
What the?????? A 330 is 10" wide and a 280 is 8", only 2 extra sticks is that much more time consuming? Most of the time only two support sticks are needed for either trap in a pinch point.

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Re: Otters & 330's question [Re: harleydparts] #6110886
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I will give my 2 cents worth.....

Most of my otter killing happens at pinch points in very small streams/ditches (a few feet wide and a few inches deep. Many more die at crossovers on dams and near culvert pipes. Rarely are my traps completely submerged...usually not enough water, but I don't set them much on dry land either.....Even though bodygrips less than 9.5" are legal on land further than 10 feet from water in Ga. In the South, due to warmer temps, otters need to be caught in the water or use 6 to 8 feet extension cables so they can reach water. So, my conditions are a bit different than others.

I have 72 Belisle 280s....and 17 Belisle 330s (landowner crushed one digging out beaver dam with backhoe.)

I never intentionally set a 330 for otters.

Belisle 280 is the otter trap...for me.


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Re: Otters & 330's question [Re: harleydparts] #6110907
01/02/18 09:45 PM
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Don't I wish I could have partly submerged conibears here in Maine.Our conibear traps for beaver and otter have to be completly submerged to be legal.


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Re: Otters & 330's question [Re: Bruce T] #6111095
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Originally Posted By: Bruce T
Don't I wish I could have partly submerged conibears here in Maine.Our conibear traps for beaver and otter have to be completly submerged to be legal.


My situation is close to Swamp Wolf's. I'd say 90% of my otter are caught in less than 12 inches of water. Probably 75% in less than 8 inches. The main exception to that 12 inches or less is in beaver channels.


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Re: Otters & 330's question [Re: harleydparts] #6111343
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How many otter do you southern guys catch in a year?


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Re: Otters & 330's question [Re: Bruce T] #6111447
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Originally Posted By: Bruce T
How many otter do you southern guys catch in a year?


Back when I worked ADC beavers year round my numbers would be about like your muskrat numbers

Re: Otters & 330's question [Re: harleydparts] #6145066
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its not the two inches of fencing outside the trap that makes the difference it the two inch bigger hole that looks more inviting to go through hence not requiring as much of a fence to keep them from going around .drifting leaves go through a 330 easier than a 280 by the time leaves have washed up aginst the frame of a 280 there is not much hole left .

Re: Otters & 330's question [Re: harleydparts] #6150334
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I saw this thread and studied my notes on this seasons otter catch in one area that I'm strictly using 330's. Of the 7 otter caught in this area 1 was hip caught but dead in deep water, two were suit-cased, and 4 were neck caught. These were 330 Dukes.

Re: Otters & 330's question [Re: harleydparts] #6150355
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I work my triggers after I make my set so they swing a little before they engage I believe when otter hit the wires they slink around um and ease through hence getting a LOT of hip catches, I catch a LOT of otter on trail sets in 330s with a diamond shaped configuration set on top and get neck only catches, neck ribs suitcases but no more tail or gut catches like that, I've had big otter hip and tail caught in 220s on dry land with v triggers on top once I started freeing the triggers it stopped, it's my belief that once they hit the free swinging trigger they go on an bulldoze through just like it's just more grass in the trail, when there static I thank it's more of an obstacle to be maneuvered around that's been my findings!
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Re: Otters & 330's question [Re: ] #6150610
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Originally Posted By: J Staton
I saw this thread and studied my notes on this seasons otter catch in one area that I'm strictly using 330's. Of the 7 otter caught in this area 1 was hip caught but dead in deep water, two were suit-cased, and 4 were neck caught. These were 330 Dukes.
A 330 Duke is only 1/2" bigger than a 280. You really can't compare them with other 330's


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Re: Otters & 330's question [Re: Bruce T] #6151336
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Originally Posted By: Bruce T
How many otter do you southern guys catch in a year?


77 was my best season catch. Also had a 75 otter season and many in the 50s and 60s per season. Caught 37 in 7 days a few years back with 4 dozen 280s set. Had perfect water conditions and good fur market that winter. 7 in one check is best day. Have had many 5 and 6 otter days.

Have about 20 in freezer now from past few weeks. Can't keep them out of my beaver control traps...lol


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Re: Otters & 330's question [Re: Redsleeves] #6151338
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Originally Posted By: Redsleeves
I work my triggers after I make my set so they swing a little before they engage I believe when otter hit the wires they slink around um and ease through hence getting a LOT of hip catches, I catch a LOT of otter on trail sets in 330s with a diamond shaped configuration set on top and get neck only catches, neck ribs suitcases but no more tail or gut catches like that, I've had big otter hip and tail caught in 220s on dry land with v triggers on top once I started freeing the triggers it stopped, it's my belief that once they hit the free swinging trigger they go on an bulldoze through just like it's just more grass in the trail, when there static I thank it's more of an obstacle to be maneuvered around that's been my findings!
Colt


I think you are correct...^^^


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Re: Otters & 330's question [Re: harleydparts] #6151749
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How many otter do you southern guys catch in a year?

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I caught 214 in 75 days one year when they were so high. Many years over 150.

Don,t try to catch them now and don,t trap as much at all.

When I went to my first NTA the announcer introduced the speaker as the best otter trapper in the U.S. I ask him how many otter he caught that year. He said 78. I ask him how many was the most he caught in one season. He said 138. At that show Claudie Taylor said he caught 138 his best year. That show was when Claudie just came out with his otter video. I have always enjoyed seeing Claudie. If you get a chance visit with him.

At the same show I remember two guys at the NAFA booth from MO. I asked them if they would tell me their favorite otter set. They said it was a secret. I learned after they walked off, they had caught 38 together that year from a smiling man on the other side of the table.

When I first started trapping otter the Georgia DNR lady that was tagging them said that 80 was about the most she knew of. She thought the population was being depleted.

It makes a big difference if they are worth 100$ instead of 15$. I have never seen or thought otter numbers here were decreased no matter the price.


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Re: Otters & 330's question [Re: Kirk De] #6151757
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I caught 214 in 75 days one year when they were so high. Many years over 150.

Don,t try to catch them now and don,t trap as much at all.

When I went to my first NTA the announcer introduced the speaker as the best otter trapper in the U.S. I ask him how many otter he caught that year. He said 78. I ask him how many was the most he caught in one season. He said 138. At that show Claudie Taylor said he caught 138 his best year. That show was when Claudie just came out with his otter video. I have always enjoyed seeing Claudie. If you get a chance visit with him.

At the same show I remember two guys at the NAFA booth from MO. I asked them if they would tell me their favorite otter set. They said it was a secret. I learned after they walked off, they had caught 38 together that year from a smiling man on the other side of the table.

When I first started trapping otter the Georgia DNR lady that was tagging them said that 80 was about the most she knew of. She thought the population was being depleted.

It makes a big difference if they are worth 100$ instead of 15$. I have never seen or thought otter numbers here were decreased no matter the price.


So that being said hitting the same spots/water or tributaries year after year you did not notice a decline in catch from year to year? Even at taking over 100 per season?

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I will give my 2 cents worth.....

Most of my otter killing happens at pinch points in very small streams/ditches (a few feet wide and a few inches deep. Many more die at crossovers on dams and near culvert pipes. Rarely are my traps completely submerged...usually not enough water, but I don't set them much on dry land either.....Even though bodygrips less than 9.5" are legal on land further than 10 feet from water in Ga. In the South, due to warmer temps, otters need to be caught in the water or use 6 to 8 feet extension cables so they can reach water. So, my conditions are a bit different than others.

I have 72 Belisle 280s....and 17 Belisle 330s (landowner crushed one digging out beaver dam with backhoe.)

I never intentionally set a 330 for otters.

Belisle 280 is the otter trap...for me


I usually ran over 150 traps or sets a day when I caught the most. Mainly used 330's-some footholds.

The number of sets one is able to keep producing is the key. For 12 years I never missed a day running traps. Christmas or not, during season.

I am too old for the pace now.


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