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Re: Disappointed in Vortex
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01/02/18 02:58 PM
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Wife got me a pair of vortex for Christmas. I saw the made in China sticker right away. It is a bummer. They do seem to be good quality though. It also says on the box if they ever brake, they will be repaired or replaced free no matter what the cause or whos fault. You don't even need a receipt. That sounds like a pretty good deal to me.
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Re: Disappointed in Vortex
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01/02/18 03:26 PM
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I have nikon and vortex stuff I like the vortex and got over the china thing because they have a great warrantee and seem good quality.
Vortex really does a nice job on the customer service end , I called there last week to ask questions before I ordered another scope , he was very helpful and I got to a person right away.
heck half of my "American" made car was made in china and assembled in Ontario.
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Re: Disappointed in Vortex
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01/02/18 04:36 PM
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My Vortex scopes have been great with no problems .
Simplify your methods to the point of perfection.
Become fast,efficient & effective.
The real "SECRET" to successful trapping.
KEEP IT SIMPLE!
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Re: Disappointed in Vortex
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01/02/18 04:37 PM
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I've heard a guy say that "if you can't see it with your naked eye then it's too far" I have vortex binoculars and I like them.
If you take care of the land the land will take care of you
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Re: Disappointed in Vortex
[Re: hippie]
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01/02/18 05:08 PM
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No poop Sherlock, where did they get the technology?
I should say steal the technology.
Guessing, 75% of the stuff made in China is stolen tech. No respect for patents. Everyone got the technology, at least originally, from Galileo, an Italian. No doubt the Chinese rip off patented technology. That wasn't the point. Enjoy your computer. Sherlock
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Re: Disappointed in Vortex
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01/02/18 05:14 PM
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No poop Sherlock, where did they get the technology?
I should say steal the technology.
Guessing, 75% of the stuff made in China is stolen tech. No respect for patents. Everyone got the technology, at least originally, from Galileo, an Italian. No doubt the Chinese rip off patented technology. That wasn't the point. Enjoy your computer. Sherlock Do i have much choice? Never said i could avoid it if you reread my post. I said we need to level the playing field. Some people gonna cry? Yep, look at the post before yours. I also deal with the public and he's 100% correct, the customer usually, not all the time as some want better stuff on their vehicle in my case, but most want cheap and our fine gov't has fostered this for way too long.
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Re: Disappointed in Vortex
[Re: hippie]
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01/02/18 05:29 PM
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Do i have much choice?
Never said i could avoid it if you reread my post. I said we need to level the playing field.
Some people gonna cry? Yep, look at the post before yours. I also deal with the public and he's 100% correct, the customer usually, not all the time as some want better stuff on their vehicle in my case, but most want cheap and our fine gov't has fostered this for way too long. Wait. Are you selling Chinese products for vehicles? You have choices.
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Re: Disappointed in Vortex
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01/02/18 05:35 PM
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Reminds me of the song lyrics " my transistor radio comes from far away" made in Japan
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Re: Disappointed in Vortex
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01/02/18 05:35 PM
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If everyone was a millionaire they all would buy high end , but not everyone is a millionaire. People know things they buy are not high end, but it works for the money spent . Good things can be had for cheaper if a person does good research. 
Simplify your methods to the point of perfection.
Become fast,efficient & effective.
The real "SECRET" to successful trapping.
KEEP IT SIMPLE!
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Re: Disappointed in Vortex
[Re: Blaine County]
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01/02/18 05:42 PM
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Do i have much choice?
Never said i could avoid it if you reread my post. I said we need to level the playing field.
Some people gonna cry? Yep, look at the post before yours. I also deal with the public and he's 100% correct, the customer usually, not all the time as some want better stuff on their vehicle in my case, but most want cheap and our fine gov't has fostered this for way too long. Wait. Are you selling Chinese products for vehicles? You have choices. Depends, which paragraph are you asking about? Now i understand you, my dumbness. Yes, from about every country you could amagine. Engine bearings fron India, can you believe that? India for an American ebgine. I've had enough of it and won't hold back on calling out our Gov't for allowing it. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!
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Re: Disappointed in Vortex
[Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE]
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01/02/18 05:58 PM
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I have nikon and vortex stuff I like the vortex and got over the china thing because they have a great warrantee and seem good quality.
Vortex really does a nice job on the customer service end , I called there last week to ask questions before I ordered another scope , he was very helpful and I got to a person right away.
heck half of my "American" made car was made in china and assembled in Ontario. I agree totally with you. IMO Vortex is way out in front of others because of service and warrantee hands down the best in the industry. Vortex also makes a top notch product also.
Give me a fish, I will eat for a day. Teach me to fish, I will eat for a lifetime
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Re: Disappointed in Vortex
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01/02/18 06:24 PM
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for the price you are looking at for Razor 10x50, $1,100 you can get a pair of Swarovski CL 10x30 https://www.amazon.com/Swarovski-Companion-10x30-Binocular-Tan/dp/B00556ZH70the FOV will be smaller, but the glass in the Swaro is far superior to the vortex. I have these in 10x and 8x as well as the EL 10x42. I find myself taking the Cl more often than the El, because of compact size and weight. there is no difference in the glass or image quality between the two..... for hours of sitting and glassing, the EL are more comfortable for me.. Vortex makes an ok product for the prices they sell them at. but, without the warranty, the binos would be 25% cheaper, because they build the cost of the "great warranty" into the price.... as for made in china, everything is exactly the same for the Razor line, except the location of the manufacturing. while I am not impressed with the vortex glass or products, they do make a decent product that the average person can afford.... that said, in the world of optics, Good, great, top notch, clear, crisp, are NOT words id use describing any of the vortex line... ok, economical, affordable, decent, meh, are more appropriate.
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Re: Disappointed in Vortex
[Re: RiversNorth13]
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01/02/18 06:28 PM
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If everyone was a millionaire they all would buy high end , but not everyone is a millionaire.
People know things they buy are not high end, but it works for the money spent .
Good things can be had for cheaper if a person does good research.
Very good points.
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Re: Disappointed in Vortex
[Re: Hupurest]
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01/02/18 06:55 PM
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for the price you are looking at for Razor 10x50, $1,100 you can get a pair of Swarovski CL 10x30 https://www.amazon.com/Swarovski-Companion-10x30-Binocular-Tan/dp/B00556ZH70the FOV will be smaller, but the glass in the Swaro is far superior to the vortex. I have these in 10x and 8x as well as the EL 10x42. I find myself taking the Cl more often than the El, because of compact size and weight. there is no difference in the glass or image quality between the two..... for hours of sitting and glassing, the EL are more comfortable for me.. Vortex makes an ok product for the prices they sell them at. but, without the warranty, the binos would be 25% cheaper, because they build the cost of the "great warranty" into the price.... as for made in china, everything is exactly the same for the Razor line, except the location of the manufacturing. while I am not impressed with the vortex glass or products, they do make a decent product that the average person can afford.... that said, in the world of optics, Good, great, top notch, clear, crisp, are NOT words id use describing any of the vortex line... ok, economical, affordable, decent, meh, are more appropriate. My only use for binoculars is to say "yup that's (insert species name here)" don't need to measure points or inches so "it works" is how I describe my binoculars. I don't buy into that use the most expensive stuff mentality. But like it's been said if you can afford it why not I suppose.
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Re: Disappointed in Vortex
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01/02/18 07:26 PM
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I normally don't like to get into these topics but all I own optic wise is vortex and I have never had any issues with them and their customer service is outstanding. But working in the line of work I do you start to realize why companies go off shore to either produce or assemble their products. The bottom line is the customer. All customers want is price reduction after price reduction and if you want to keep the work you must move off shore. I'm sure vortex wants to produce their optics in the US but in order to get the price we pay NOW they probably had to move it off shore. I'd hate to see the prices we would pay if everything was made in the US. No one would be able to afford it.
I myself want to keep the parts that I produce in the US but I order for my company and I to keep the work I have no choice to outsource it to a foreign country
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Re: Disappointed in Vortex
[Re: Zim]
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01/02/18 07:42 PM
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Well guys, as far as Vortex staying and investing in the USA I would like to point out a few things that I know firsthand.
1. They bought approximately 150 acres in the outskirts of the Village of Barneveld in Iowa County, Wisconsin.
2. They have invested over 20 million dollars in said facility. This includes corporate offices, warehouse facilities, machine shops, etc.
3. They are investing and building a day care center for the employee's children. Another million bucks.
4. They are building a shooting range (indoor and out) I don't have a price on that.
I know this because of my company's involvement in the project providing engineering and surveying services. That is about as much commitment to the good old USA as I have seen in awhile. I wish them the best.
Zim That is interesting and I also wish Vortex to succeed and do well.
Give me a fish, I will eat for a day. Teach me to fish, I will eat for a lifetime
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Re: Disappointed in Vortex
[Re: Zim]
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01/02/18 08:43 PM
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Well guys, as far as Vortex staying and investing in the USA I would like to point out a few things that I know firsthand.
1. They bought approximately 150 acres in the outskirts of the Village of Barneveld in Iowa County, Wisconsin.
2. They have invested over 20 million dollars in said facility. This includes corporate offices, warehouse facilities, machine shops, etc.
3. They are investing and building a day care center for the employee's children. Another million bucks.
4. They are building a shooting range (indoor and out) I don't have a price on that.
I know this because of my company's involvement in the project providing engineering and surveying services. That is about as much commitment to the good old USA as I have seen in awhile. I wish them the best.
Zim Excellent post Zim, If you want to see a razor scope being built right now, go to Middleton Wi. The guys at Vortex take a square piece of aluminum and turn it into a Razor scope, also they assemble the Vipers there. all will be moving to their new facility in Barneveld this spring. Their cheaper scopes etc. will still be built over seas.
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Re: Disappointed in Vortex
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01/02/18 10:44 PM
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If you can spend the money on Leica or swaros then sure there is no better and by all means that is the way to go. If I had t choose between vortex, bushnells or nikons? Be vortex. I always liked leupold stuff too and their customer service is awesome, lost turret cap for leupold scoops and had a new pair second day shipping without having to spend a dime, just made a phone call, lady asked my address I had my card in my hand to pay a fee and she said don't worry about it.
If I was gonna go after razors though or high end vortex then I'd go bit more like Hup said and get the swaros, I have like a 500$ pair of vortex? Can't remember the name of them? Talons? But they have been great and tough! I am hard on my stuff, not just hunting but in the kayak, saltwater dunking them? Dropping them over board? They have held up for three years now.
Got a good pair of older zeiss? Hardly use them anymore and they were more higher end?
Best of luck on the choice.
J
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Re: Disappointed in Vortex
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01/02/18 11:18 PM
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I have had many different makers of scopes spotting scopes, and bino etc. except Leica and swaros. I'm sure they are good so I can't judge for them. I use eye gear everyday of the year and IMO Vortex has been the best for wear and tear and warranty/service. I'm not saying some of the other brands that have been mentioned here are not good in those areas but Vortex has raised the bar and has done me a lot better then the competition.
Give me a fish, I will eat for a day. Teach me to fish, I will eat for a lifetime
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Re: Disappointed in Vortex
[Re: RiversNorth13]
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01/03/18 12:56 PM
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If everyone was a millionaire they all would buy high end , but not everyone is a millionaire. People know things they buy are not high end, but it works for the money spent . Good things can be had for cheaper if a person does good research. I'm not a millionaire by a long shot, but I learned long ago that buying quality gear will save money in the long run. I bet I spent over 5 thousand dollars in the first 10-years guiding hunters buying cheaper optics. They would inevitably fail. Then I got smart and bought Swaros.....havent spent a dime since. One fall I accidentally left my binoculars in a hunting camp. Another guide found them and stuck them in a food barrel. The next spring a bear got into the cabin and rolled the barrel outside, where it rolled down a hill into the lake. By the time I got there the next fall my binos were hardly recognizable....Sent them in to Swavorski and they sent me a brand new pair no questions asked. Vortex or other cheaper brands are fine for some, but if you rely on them quality is always cheaper in the long run. Only thing a hunter uses more than binos is his boots...
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Re: Disappointed in Vortex
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01/03/18 09:21 PM
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I had been using my lower end Leupold binos for several years and then took them on my first, and so far only, elk hunt. They worked fine for 4 days and most of the 5th. All of a sudden as we stalked into the herd the center focus adjustment would not work. They had not been dropped, hit, or suffered any sort of trauma, they just quit when I needed them the most. By lower end I mean they cost about $300 for 10x42's. Leupold replaced them with a new pair no questions asked a few weeks later, but that doesn't give me confidence they won't let me down the next time I am on a $5000 hunt. I want binos that are robust and reliable first, and have superior optics second. It's not that I don't appreciate the value of superior optics, it's just that I don't want to buy better optics that let me down at the critical moment. I want to have confidence in their reliability and then determine how much I am willing to spend on better glass.
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Re: Disappointed in Vortex
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01/03/18 09:46 PM
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For most people buying optics is a trade off of what a person can afford for what you get .
Some can or need to spend money on high end optics, others not so much .
Everyone has different needs and pocket books .
Doing research and find the best value for the money is a must .
Having spares should be a must also .
Peoples $50,000 vehicles break down too .
Simplify your methods to the point of perfection.
Become fast,efficient & effective.
The real "SECRET" to successful trapping.
KEEP IT SIMPLE!
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Re: Disappointed in Vortex
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01/03/18 11:02 PM
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I'm totally surprised no one hasn't mentioned the Hensoldt SAM 6-24x72 or any of the Schmidt -Bender scopes .  Every hunter should have a couple of each !
Simplify your methods to the point of perfection.
Become fast,efficient & effective.
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KEEP IT SIMPLE!
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Re: Disappointed in Vortex
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01/03/18 11:15 PM
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I don't live out west and am not a big high end optics type of guy. My Vortex Crossfire binocs (at $200) are the best I have ever used.
Are there better out there? Yes, I am sure there are.
These work fine for the areas I hunt though. I am not glassing huge basins for elk with them
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Re: Disappointed in Vortex
[Re: Zim]
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Good stuff. thanks for sharing this. Well guys, as far as Vortex staying and investing in the USA I would like to point out a few things that I know firsthand.
1. They bought approximately 150 acres in the outskirts of the Village of Barneveld in Iowa County, Wisconsin.
2. They have invested over 20 million dollars in said facility. This includes corporate offices, warehouse facilities, machine shops, etc.
3. They are investing and building a day care center for the employee's children. Another million bucks.
4. They are building a shooting range (indoor and out) I don't have a price on that.
I know this because of my company's involvement in the project providing engineering and surveying services. That is about as much commitment to the good old USA as I have seen in awhile. I wish them the best.
Zim
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man."
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Re: Disappointed in Vortex
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When you buy quality you only cry once. Until you drop that 2700$ pair of binos on the rocks scratch a lens or they go for a swim in the salt! Yeah they will be ok but still gonna tighten up a bit when they fall! lol If I could afford them I would without thought! Life right now says nooooo!
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Re: Disappointed in Vortex
[Re: Diggerman]
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Ever deal with Stiener 's customer service? Not good. Leupold's customer service is excellent. During a bear drive in horrendously thick laurel this last November, my feet caught and I fell flat on my face. My 265 pound frame fell flat on the Leupold Mojave binoculars strapped on my chest harness, and the sharp, hard laurel sticks reached up to warmly receive the fall and popped off the center focus wheel. I called Leupold and they said "it's a no-fault guarantee. Send them in and we will fix or replace them at no cost to you." So I sent them in and they said I'll be getting them back any day now. That's frickin awesome customer service.
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Re: Disappointed in Vortex
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I was pleasantly surprised that when my new Vortex Diamondback 4-12x40 arrived yesterday it was made in the Philippines so not all Vortex stuff is made in China.
I suspect the hole Crossfire "budget" line is made in china I have 2 of them and like them , I have even shot with my crossfire II 3-9x50 to 500 yards and stayed on target fine as long as I had my dope right
I had called the Vortex office about a week ago and talked to Travis I think it was , I explained my application and that I was looking at the CrossfireII 4-12x44 bdc reticle and the Diamondback 4-12x40 VMR-1 retical I wanted the VMR-1 recital for ranging but it was nearly double the money.
he assured me the Diamondback was definitely a step up in quality and that it would fit my application very well he was also able to tell me what rings he thought would fit best for the gun I was mounting it to , but said if I got the Mediums and it would take lows they would exchange them.
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Re: Disappointed in Vortex
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Leupold gets the gold star A+ for customer service this week.
After falling on and breaking a fairly new and really nice pair of Mojave 8x42s, I sent them in. Two weeks later I received back Leupold's newest binocular, which replaces a bunch of others (Cascades, Mojaves, etc.), the Pro Guide HD. This is a really nice binocular which compares favorably to the Swarovski EL 8x42 I just had to look through at Bass Pro yesterday. It's just that the Leupold is $2,000 to $2,500 LESS than the Swarovskis. Yeah, the Swaros are crystal clear, but the Leupold ain't much less.
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