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Re: Bundy's Walk...... [Re: Marty] #6120419
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Re: Bundy's Walk...... [Re: wallfur] #6120479
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Originally Posted By: wallfur
The alphabet agencies and the prison system punished these people as much as possible...in the end the legal system found them innocent.

The same could happen to anyone.....its about keeping people under their thumb

The legal system did not find them innocent. The case was not determined on the merits. Rather, the Judge sanctioned the government based on prosecutorial misconduct, and dismissed the charges without making findings of fact about the case.
lol..............lol...........lol.......the legal system never found them guilty either yet they spent 2 years jail time....they were acquitted in 2 differant states by 2 different judges! coincidence?....I don't think so...if the prosecution had any case with any merits they would not have to resort to miss conduct or illegal activity! [/quote]

I have a question on this. I agree that they were not found innocent....or guilty for that matter, the judge ended it before trial.

That said, my question is...............
Doesn't the prosecuter have to introduce evedence to the court, that hasn't been turned over to the defense in order for a trial to be dismissed? Be it either to the grand-jury or once the trial starts?

(i'm guessing they used evedence to hold Bundys' that wasn't turned over?)

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Re: Bundy's Walk...... [Re: Marty] #6120481
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Huh?

Re: Bundy's Walk...... [Re: Marty] #6120483
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I'm guessing they can re-file charges minus the evedence that they didn't turn over.
This didn't go to trial yet? correct?

Re: Bundy's Walk...... [Re: Marty] #6120487
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Well ya, they can retry the case. It isn't any skin off their balls. Not costing the attorneys anything out of their pocketbook besides the taxes we all pay. In my world the prosecutor should met the tazer tickle monster in the final.moments of the proceedings, not the defense attorney.

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Re: Bundy's Walk...... [Re: Marty] #6120490
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You say "retry".
So it did go to trial?

That's what i'm confused about.

Re: Bundy's Walk...... [Re: Marty] #6120493
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Trying is what it is. They attempted. "Tried", but they're crooked scoundrel scumbags. There is an opportunity to retry, with no hanging tree in the future of the prosecutor.

Re: Bundy's Walk...... [Re: Marty] #6120495
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To explain what i'm thinking Finn, been involved in some trials here.

Cops have a hearing, we call it, in front of a judge. They present their evedence and then the charges are determined. After this, it can go to trial.

If the cops fail to get the charges they are after, they can wait for more evedence and later have another hearing in front of the judge. I'm guessing from the posts here that this is where the Judge stepped in?
Or was it at trial?

Grand jurys' work the same i believe, but am not sure.

Re: Bundy's Walk...... [Re: FlyinFinn] #6120497
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Originally Posted By: FlyinFinn
Trying is what it is. They attempted. "Tried", but they're crooked scoundrel scumbags. There is an opportunity to retry, with no hanging tree in the future of the prosecutor.


From this reply, i'll take it you have no freak'n idea.

Re: Bundy's Walk...... [Re: Marty] #6120499
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sorry to waste yer time.

Re: Bundy's Walk...... [Re: Marty] #6120517
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Hippie, it did go to trial. The defense showed that the prosecution withheld evidence (I don't know any details of how) and the judge declared a mistrial to review it. The trial was to be reconvened on the 8th of January, if I remember correctly. After reviewing the evidence, however, the judge dismissed it with prejudice, citing the unconstitutional and illegal actions of the prosecution. Due to the manner of dismissal the charges cannot be refilled.

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Thanks, that makes a huge difference.

Re: Bundy's Walk...... [Re: Marty] #6120530
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How did what he said make a difference? Prosecutorial misconduct will continue unless they fell the scratchety itch of a noose around their neck, too. It would cut down on frivolous charges.

Re: Bundy's Walk...... [Re: Marty] #6120535
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The government clearly screwed up on many fronts...but it doesn't change the fact that Bundy was even more clearly and blatantly breaking the law.

Re: Bundy's Walk...... [Re: FlyinFinn] #6120540
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Originally Posted By: FlyinFinn
How did what he said make a difference? Prosecutorial misconduct will continue unless they fell the scratchety itch of a noose around their neck, too. It would cut down on frivolous charges.


Mistrial means all charges brought before the court are void, where at a hearing some charges can still stand.

Hearing justify the charges, so to speak.

Re: Bundy's Walk...... [Re: Marty] #6120544
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I may not be explaining that right.

Only have first hand experience and not versed in law.

I was a witness where the cops were after a murder charge, at a hearing. Judge didn't allow that charge so cops went for lower charge and got it, there-by keeping the defendent in jail until trial.

If at trail this came out, as it did, they have to go back to square one.

Re: Bundy's Walk...... [Re: Marty] #6120597
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Go discuss this over geritol with your fellow statists.

Re: Bundy's Walk...... [Re: Marty] #6120680
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Its a disgrace that they walked should have had the book thrown at them I listened to his whole getting out of jail press meeting and he is nuts he talked about how he did nothing wrong because the Federal Public BML land is only the public land of the people of Clark County because the Feds can't own land and have to no jurisdiction in the state of Nevada and that means he owns no fees? I mean come on the guy has no clue how the constitution works and then said that the armed stand-off was a peaceful protest ha! that's a good one if that's the case I should be able to head into the city like Chicago or New York with a rife strapped to me to a protest and not worry about getting locked up or shot right? Not sure what makes me madder that fact the feds messed the case up or that Bundy said when he gets home he is putting the cattle back out on the BLM land?


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Re: Bundy's Walk...... [Re: Marty] #6120686
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Re: Bundy's Walk...... [Re: hippie] #6120690
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Originally Posted By: hippie
sorry to waste yer time.

Were used to it lol...


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