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#6119477 - 01/09/18 12:34 PM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: Tweed]
Yes sir Offline
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Sounds like the caribou were thriving in the habit they had until the wolves came along

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#6119484 - 01/09/18 12:44 PM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: Hal]
drasselt Offline
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Originally Posted By: Hal
Originally Posted By: Marty
Wolves suck......smart folk exterminated them a long time ago when folks had common sense.


I'm with ya Marty. Same goes for deer. They certainly suck too and smart folk exterminated them a long time ago when folks had common sense. -- Hal

(And you can include those nasty turkeys too! Smart folk exterminated them a long time ago when folks had common sense.)


Oh get off it Hal. The common sense folks fixed those problems. You should really try to get a handle on that white guilt thing.

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#6119490 - 01/09/18 12:49 PM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: Tweed]
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Nobody misses dinosaurs.
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#6119491 - 01/09/18 12:50 PM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: Tweed]
Marty Offline
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hal would not last with me for long...... laugh

I would make it a mission to drive him crazy... grin
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#6119499 - 01/09/18 12:58 PM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: Tweed]
Mike in A-town Offline
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Loc: Northeast Oklahoma
I agree with Hal's basic premise, but not necessarily his delivery.

Extirpation isn't a good idea. I would rather have sustainable populations of both species. One to eat. One to sell.

Mike
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#6119502 - 01/09/18 12:58 PM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: Marty]
Hal Offline
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Originally Posted By: Marty
hal would not last with me for long...... laugh

I would make it a mission to drive him crazy... grin


You stand no more chance of that than the average house pet.
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#6119505 - 01/09/18 01:00 PM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: Tweed]
Marty Offline
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I figured it would be a short trip.. smile
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#6119510 - 01/09/18 01:03 PM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: Tweed]
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Are you begging for a treat? Sit Marty sit.
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#6119524 - 01/09/18 01:13 PM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: Tweed]
Marty Offline
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Like I said.....
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#6119528 - 01/09/18 01:15 PM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: Tweed]
The Beav Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
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Hal was born crazy. But no one really cares.
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#6119557 - 01/09/18 01:50 PM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: Mike in A-town]
Tweed Offline
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Registered: 12/31/16
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Originally Posted By: Mike in A-town
I agree with Hal's basic premise, but not necessarily his delivery.

Extirpation isn't a good idea. I would rather have sustainable populations of both species. One to eat. One to sell.

Mike


Agreed....humans are supposed to manage this beautiful earth. I don't mind wolves on the landscape...I just don't want them to overrun everything and it doesn't take many to significantly change the balance of an ecosystem.

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#6119565 - 01/09/18 01:54 PM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: Tweed]
Trapper7 Offline
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Registered: 12/27/06
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Loc: MN, Land of 10,000 Lakes
Originally Posted By: Tweed
Originally Posted By: Mike in A-town
I agree with Hal's basic premise, but not necessarily his delivery.

Extirpation isn't a good idea. I would rather have sustainable populations of both species. One to eat. One to sell.

Mike


Agreed....humans are supposed to manage this beautiful earth. I don't mind wolves on the landscape...I just don't want them to overrun everything and it doesn't take many to significantly change the balance of an ecosystem.


Not to mention the fact that when their numbers grow they tend to expand their range getting into areas where they cause problems of a domestic nature. The state of MN ran out of funds paying depredation claims caused by wolves.
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#6119594 - 01/09/18 02:19 PM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: red mt]
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Registered: 11/01/14
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More likely the reason is, by bringing the wolf's back, there will be no need for hunters, hunting or guns. The liberals will do anything to destroy our lifestyle which they despise.



Originally Posted By: red mt
Originally Posted By: Marty
Wolves suck......smart folk exterminated them a long time ago when folks had common sense.

What I like is when we go and buy wolves from Canada, then we pay some other group to monitor them, then pay some other group to kill them.
Sounds like a program to create jobs to me.

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#6119596 - 01/09/18 02:24 PM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: tomahawker]
Tweed Offline
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Originally Posted By: tomahawker
Nobody misses dinosaurs.



I kind of do....those brontosaurus burgers were delicious!

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#6119603 - 01/09/18 02:31 PM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: tomahawker]
Mike in A-town Offline
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Originally Posted By: tomahawker
Nobody misses dinosaurs.


Well they're so big it's like shooting the broad side of a barn.

Mike
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#6119644 - 01/09/18 03:30 PM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: Tweed]
Dirty D Offline
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Registered: 11/12/14
Posts: 273
Loc: east central WI
My point is simple, modern man is much more destructive to the "natural" scheme of things.
In the case of the woodland caribou (lake superior caribou) there are several causes for its demise.
of those causes the most dramatic have modern man as the root cause.


As far as the passenger pigeon, I'm fully aware of its demise from the world. I was using it as an example. Who ever killed the last one or the last thousand of them is not the one who eliminated the species. The species was already doomed at that point. Much like the woodland caribou in the great lakes area. A few left, a fraction of what it once was. Now to blame the wolf for its demise is rather short sighted. for sake of discussion lets say modern mans action caused the population to drop 90% from highs 300 years ago and now years later the wolf is taking the last 10%. And you want to blame the wolf for its demise?
That was my point. Modern man is without doubt has caused more change to the natural world in N. America. Not predators.
Mans changes have benefits some animals and hurt others. I can accept that.

Why do a few here want to eliminate yet another species from existence? Just cause this animal eats animals that you want to kill for your own benefit? There is a word for that. Selfish. Try to rationalize it any way you want, it all comes down to human greed. I can't accept that.

I have no problem managing by what ever means both prey and predator species. Skimming off some as long as the remainder is a healthy sustainable population. But I have an issue with those that want to eliminate predators so they have more to kill.

The dominant ecosystem (Oak Savanna) in my home state of WI is just about gone. Indians were a contributing factor in this ecosystem.
European man eliminated the essential ingredient (fire) for this ecosystem to exist. Now there are just remnants of it left here and there. These remnants are not big enough to support the large mammals that lived there, Elk and Bison. Other species are just hanging on. A good example is the Prairie Chicken. Not to mention the flora of this ecosystem.

I realize man and other factors have eliminated many species from this world. Some where not able to adapt to the changing environment and went out on their own. Some have gone out due to mans arrogance and greed. There is a difference.

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#6119650 - 01/09/18 03:38 PM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: Tweed]
Tweed Offline
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Ah yes....humans screwed it up so we should just say "eff" it and let another apex predator wipe out them out completely.

Or...as has been demonstrated plenty of times in the last 50 years....slow and reverse the trend by managing. I think that's what most would advocate for.


Edited by Tweed (01/09/18 05:55 PM)

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#6119671 - 01/09/18 03:55 PM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: tomahawker]
red mt Offline
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Registered: 10/15/14
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Originally Posted By: tomahawker
Nobody misses dinosaurs.

I think we should bring back sabertooth tigers and make this more interesting .
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#6119675 - 01/09/18 04:01 PM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: red mt]
Mike in A-town Offline
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Registered: 09/29/13
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Loc: Northeast Oklahoma
Originally Posted By: red mt
Originally Posted By: tomahawker
Nobody misses dinosaurs.

I think we should bring back sabertooth tigers and make this more interesting .


Not sure what the pelts would bring. But I bet the skulls would sell for a decent amount.

Mike
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#6119693 - 01/09/18 04:20 PM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: Tweed]
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Registered: 01/28/07
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If Dirty D really feels that man is to blame then maybe he should lead the way in solving the problem. Or maybe he's one of those intellectually superior types who plans to decide who else gets selected for removal.

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