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#6120507 - 01/10/18 01:16 PM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: Dirt]
Osky Offline
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Originally Posted By: Dirt
Speaking of B.S. Can anybody interpret this?

"The ministry takes an adaptive management approach and is actively assessing management actions including the potential need for and feasibility of wildlife community management methods."


Considering myself a fine specimen of a man, I took your challenge. After reading this multiple times and even front to back I have surrendered. Huh?....

Pack size was mentioned, tracks can be deceiving. Actual eyes on, usually crossing the ice out front here 9 was about the max. Last I saw this pack a few months ago here they are at 7. I know of none bigger only because in this bush its seldom you see whole packs together and a few wolves can leave a lot of tracks. You wilderness guys can get more precise with your type of country and aircraft use.
I have spent a significant amount of time flying over northwest Ontario northern remote and I cannot ever recall seeing more than 10 strung out and that I think I'd be stretching it. Even in large caribou killing fields on ice of which I have seen a couple there were no more than that.

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#6120549 - 01/10/18 02:06 PM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: Malukchuk]
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Originally Posted By: Malukchuk
The WACH population is up from a year ago, latest survey shows the population over 250K


Thats the best news of my morning. laugh


Im from NW Montana 30 years ago, a couple hours drive from Sandpoint and beyond, and back then I didnt even know Idaho had ANY Caribou at all.....

How did Caribou ,Main, get its name? LOL!!


Edited by Caribou (01/10/18 02:09 PM)
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#6120557 - 01/10/18 02:20 PM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: Tweed]
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Im in NW Montana , used to live just south of Sandpoint.

Years ago as I drove into Canada from the panhandle, not far from the port of entry there I actually saw a small group of what was called mountain Caribou.

It was surprising for me, them being that close to the road.

That was years ago.

Couldn't believe my eye ! grin

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#6120565 - 01/10/18 02:38 PM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: Tweed]
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First pic is a pack in the Wood Buffalo National Park in Canada , was 25 in that pack .
In my area the biggest pack I have seen is 9 ,may have been more , sometimes you don't see them all .
Seems like 6 to 8 average in my area here .




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#6120569 - 01/10/18 02:45 PM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: Tweed]
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Good grief Rivers.... Incredible.
How on gods green earth can a wolf pack hit 25 or even close to that with one alpha leader? Revolt of teams or groups one would have to think would be constant and unsurvivable for an alpha?
Wilderness guys thoughts?

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#6120573 - 01/10/18 02:49 PM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: matz]
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I am not sure if this is directed to me, if not please forgive me. You are correct about stirring up progressive dissent, as I have dissent and do my part to show liberals true colors in respect to Gun Control and hunting in general.
When Clinton and his thugs re-introduced the wolfs, they made promises, that did not keep. In Texas, we call that a lie and most people feel that way.
I fight to win and understand the enemy and any hunter,trapper or gun owner should feel the same. Liberals are a sneaky bunch and lying to get what they want is just part of the plan.



Originally Posted By: matz
I don't post much, I prefer to read and learn, but I do have a response to some posters on this thread.

The tired old argument that the caribou are being eaten into extirpation is the white mans fault is a round about statement (moral equivalency)
that has nothing to do with the problem. It is a liberal progressive answer that does nothing but stir up dissent. these type of statements are used in almost any controversy whether political, religious or in this case wildlife to assign guilt, they offer no value to the problem at hand.

Concentrate your efforts on the problem instead of placing blame on past actions no one has control of.

P.S. Canada grows lots of wolves that don't need a green card to get to the U.S.

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#6120574 - 01/10/18 02:50 PM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: Tweed]
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When theres a lot of food, packs will converge, when foods scarce, they compete. Wolves will eat each other.

One oldtimer I know says Wolves never die of old age, they are killed by Men or Wolves.

Come to think of it, only Humans die in bed while nearly everything is eaten while quite alive yet.....
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#6120578 - 01/10/18 02:56 PM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: Tweed]
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Sharon, Chip.. I too was up in that country NW MT back a little more than 30'years ago. Pretty much north of Yaak. The border was more a concept than a barrier to me at that time.

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#6120580 - 01/10/18 03:02 PM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: Tweed]
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Osky. I THINK what happens is that once in a while multiple packs MAY coalesce for a while in order to efficiently hunt. Of course there is the law of diminishing returns. The more mouths to feed, the less each mouth gets. Also, if that picture is taken in a park, you're dealing with artificial conditions as regards potential prey.

But as far as social problems within a pack of any size... I suspect that as long as there is enough to eat, everyone will be happy.


I just noticed that Caribou posted essentially what I just wrote
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#6120582 - 01/10/18 03:02 PM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: Tweed]
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Osky, I have ridden horses north of the Yaak , and yes, crossing the border was just a concept then.

The trees looked all the same grin

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#6120583 - 01/10/18 03:03 PM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: Tweed]
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I think that the highest rate of wolf mortality is from other wolves
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#6120584 - 01/10/18 03:03 PM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: Osky]
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Loc: Alberta, Canada
Originally Posted By: Osky
Good grief Rivers.... Incredible.
How on gods green earth can a wolf pack hit 25 or even close to that with one alpha leader? Revolt of teams or groups one would have to think would be constant and unsurvivable for an alpha?
Wilderness guys thoughts?

Osky


The Alpha male will some times breed more than just one female. I have never heard of such a thing as packs coming together, where I live that would be like a big gang fight to the death every time. Of note I had a pack of 24-30 wolves 2 years ago, caught 4 adult males from it, all weighing in at 100+ lbs. That pack had a bad case of mange, and has all but broke up since that season. Pretty sure the last of them was the alpha male.

Spruce

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#6120585 - 01/10/18 03:06 PM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: Tweed]
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If on the computer I would link it but I'm on my phone .
A friend of mine has a video that he got on trail cam with a pack going by .
If you want to watch it or link it here , look up "wolf pack spotted once again on northern wis trail cam KBJR 6" .
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#6120588 - 01/10/18 03:09 PM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: Tweed]
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Crazy stuff.
Guess I won't be complaining about the woosy wolf pack sizes around my area any more.

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#6120593 - 01/10/18 03:13 PM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: Tweed]
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Man do they pick up the scent off the camera fast!

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#6120603 - 01/10/18 03:23 PM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: Tweed]
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The biggest wolf pack was the Druid Peak wolf pack in Yellowstone , it had 37 wolves in the pack in 2001 .
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#6120607 - 01/10/18 03:32 PM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: Tweed]
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This MN pack had 9 in it when I took the photo but I couldn't get them all in at one time.

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#6120611 - 01/10/18 03:34 PM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: RiversNorth13]
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Originally Posted By: RiversNorth13

The biggest wolf pack was the Druid Peak wolf pack in Yellowstone , it had 37 wolves in the pack in 2001 .


No wonder there are no Elk left there. Small packs are okay, but still need to be managed. Big packs like that are very bad.

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#6120622 - 01/10/18 03:47 PM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: Tweed]
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I could be wrong on the numbers, but I thought I seen around the Yellowstone area herds,they were down 80%, in and out of the park .
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#6120635 - 01/10/18 03:56 PM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: RiversNorth13]
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Originally Posted By: RiversNorth13

I could be wrong on the numbers, but I thought I seen around the Yellowstone area herds,they were down 80%, in and out of the park .



I read the numbers last year and commented here, the herds pre wolf held between 21 and 22 thousand head of elk. Early last year I read they were at 5100 and change.

Kind of like those poor island caribootys, who knew so many were sick and weak??
Osky


Edited by Osky (01/10/18 03:58 PM)
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